RE: Secrets of Subaru's IoM TT record car

[ZX10R NIN]

What fast car? The Subaru weighs 1100kgs & was running around 650bhp for it's 128mph run

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Monday 27th June 07:30

[Drive Blind]

onboard 128mph full lap,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRg5Sp1iQMc

apologies - i see its posted above. I used the search but it didn't throw up the post above

Edited by Drive Blind on Sunday 26th June 22:17

[wst]

Interestingly, the highest lap speed of the LMGTE-Pro class at Le Mans 2016 is just over 131mph.

Let's not set the bar too high for what a "fast car" is, with that in mind. I think that Subaru is stinkingly quick.

[DanielSan]

I reckon with a few setup tweaks a low downforce setup Olly Clark's 900bhp plus Impreza might well beat this one.

[CraigyMc]

DanielSan said:

I reckon with a few setup tweaks a low downforce setup Olly Clark's 900bhp plus Impreza might well beat this one.

In before everyone points out how bumpy the IoM course is.

[RemyMartin]

wst said:

Interestingly, the highest lap speed of the LMGTE-Pro class at Le Mans 2016 is just over 131mph.

Let's not set the bar too high for what a "fast car" is, with that in mind. I think that Subaru is stinkingly quick.

Video is great to see. I watched it all the way through. Interesting to hear Higgins explain about cars being faster at all circuits,but what makes the TT unique is lots of shallow left and rights connected by 4 very big right handers.

Also suprised at DRS on the Subaru, anyone playing down how trick and fast car that is, fails to grasp what it takes to do a fast lap.

Edited by RemyMartin on Monday 27th June 12:19

[CraigyMc]

ZX10R NIN said:

What fast car? The Subaru weighs 1100kgs & was running around 650bhp for it's 128mph run

There are faster cars with more power and less weight, as has been discussed on here at length.

It wouldn't be impossible to build a car with half that weight and twice the power.

[xRIEx]

CraigyMc said:

DanielSan said:

I reckon with a few setup tweaks a low downforce setup Olly Clark's 900bhp plus Impreza might well beat this one.

In before everyone points out how bumpy the IoM course is.

I thought that but he did say a few setup tweaks

In this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViDP0ZH3mm0 it's running a more 'normal' ride height and still beats a P1 LM, on what is (I imagine) a very smooth surface compared to public roads.

"Olly Clark has extended his winning run at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in his "Gobstopper II" - a Subaru Impreza Time Attack car. Following on from his 2015 win, Clark completed the hillclimb in 46.297secs, crossing the line at 140mph, and edging out Kenny Brack’s McLaren P1 LM!"

[anonymous-user]

CraigyMc said:

There are faster cars with more power and less weight, as has been discussed on here at length.

It wouldn't be impossible to build a car with half that weight and twice the power.

And you could remove 2 of the wheels and call it a motorbike.

[CraigyMc]

wormus said:

CraigyMc said:

There are faster cars with more power and less weight, as has been discussed on here at length.

It wouldn't be impossible to build a car with half that weight and twice the power.

And you could remove 2 of the wheels and call it a motorbike.

I don't understand. Is that intentional gibberish?

Here's an example of a car with half the weight and twice the power of the Subaru.


The fact that the technology is 33 years old and things have got faster/better: work out what a 2016 version of this would be like.

[anonymous-user]

CraigyMc said:

Here's an example of a car with half the weight and twice the power of the Subaru.

just posting pictures of things doesn't make them faster. I say it will be slower than the current fastest bikes until somebody can prove otherwise. Except they won't.

[CraigyMc]

wormus said:

CraigyMc said:

Here's an example of a car with half the weight and twice the power of the Subaru.

just posting pictures of things doesn't make them faster. I say it will be slower than the current fastest bikes until somebody can prove otherwise. Except they won't.

By that logic, I can run faster than an IoM Sportbike, but as I'm not going to test it, I'm obviously right and nobody can question it.

[DeaconFrost]

Anyone know any more details of the suspension set up on this? I know they were exe tc dampers and they were designed to allow a softer spring rate but I'd love to know what sort of spring rate, etc. The way the car dealt with the bumps and jumps was truly astonishing.

[ZX10R NIN]

xRIEx said:

I thought that but he did say a few setup tweaks

In this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViDP0ZH3mm0 it's running a more 'normal' ride height and still beats a P1 LM, on what is (I imagine) a very smooth surface compared to public roads.

"Olly Clark has extended his winning run at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in his "Gobstopper II" - a Subaru Impreza Time Attack car. Following on from his 2015 win, Clark completed the hillclimb in 46.297secs, crossing the line at 140mph, and edging out Kenny Brack’s McLaren P1 LM!"

But his time was slower than the year before although he had 100bhp more, the TT car had around 100-130bhp less than the Gobstopper II but countered this with DRS so it's aero wasn't holding it back on the run the TT car was spinning up it's wheels more so with 780 tyre life might become an issue.

[Welshbeef]

ZX10R NIN said:

But his time was slower than the year before although he had 100bhp more, the TT car had around 100-130bhp less than the Gobstopper II but countered this with DRS so it's aero wasn't holding it back on the run the TT car was spinning up it's wheels more so with 780 tyre life might become an issue.

But conditions were not as good as previous year especially the days building up to the run as all the rubber had been washed away so in essence a green track.

You should be familiar with that from F1

[Mr2Mike]

CraigyMc said:

I don't understand. Is that intentional gibberish?

Here's an example of a car with half the weight and twice the power of the Subaru.


The fact that the technology is 33 years old and things have got faster/better: work out what a 2016 version of this would be like.

Only someone who's never driven/ridden around the mountain course would suggest a car like that would be a better tool than a rally car. It would fall apart long before it finished.

[Welshbeef]

Mr2Mike said:

CraigyMc said:

I don't understand. Is that intentional gibberish?

Here's an example of a car with half the weight and twice the power of the Subaru.


The fact that the technology is 33 years old and things have got faster/better: work out what a 2016 version of this would be like.

Only someone who's never driven/ridden around the mountain course would suggest a car like that would be a better tool than a rally car. It would fall apart long before it finished.

Why do people think carbon fibre is weak and falls apart? Yet metal doesn't ever suffer metal fractures?

Plenty of hill climb cars look similar to F1 or F3 cars they don't fall to pieces of if they do the shoddy mechanic should be fired.

[Mr2Mike]

Welshbeef said:

Why do people think carbon fibre is weak and falls apart? Yet metal doesn't ever suffer metal fractures?

Plenty of hill climb cars look similar to F1 or F3 cars they don't fall to pieces of if they do the shoddy mechanic should be fired.

Hill climb cars? You are a funny chap How long do you think the average hill climb course is that carbon fiber open wheel track cars tend to compete on, and what sort of speeds do you think they do?

Clearly you have never driven or ridden the course either. I highly suggest you do, it will be an eye opener and you'll see very clearly why a fragile open wheel track car with negligible suspension travel would be utterly unsuitable.

Edited by Mr2Mike on Thursday 7th July 08:35