RE: Secrets of Subaru's IoM TT record car
Discussion
MyVTECGoesBwaaah said:
Saw this pop up on Twitter today, crazy fast!
https://twitter.com/prodrive/status/73980973992894...
(Volume warning, it is quite loud!)
Not bad, prefer these though :https://twitter.com/prodrive/status/73980973992894...
(Volume warning, it is quite loud!)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rEk6l428s-c
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_71jKp38G-w
xRIEx said:
200Plus Club said:
shoestring7 said:
Kind of ends the bike v car at the TT thing. Just the one lap and a modded saloon is knocking on the door of the fastest bike times.
SS7
it doesnt though, does it? the lap record is 133+now. 126mph average will get you nowhere. not even top ten probably. SS7
when a car has actually beaten the bike time, then its worth mentioning. this was a great attempt by a pro driver in a pro car to match the bikes. there are amateur bike racers going faster as we speak.
126.9 would put him 8th in the Superbike TT.
Edited by PorkInsider on Monday 6th June 23:18
jason61c said:
Have you ever ridden a motorbike?
Have you watched a two wheeled lap of the tt?
could you imagine trying to do the same speed with a tiny contact patch, ZERO room for any error, Zero room for too much throttle or brake, feeling every bump though your body, constantly moving your body around as a counter weight for constant laps.
Its an impressive lap anyway, not taking anything away from what he's done.
Glad to hear it Have you watched a two wheeled lap of the tt?
could you imagine trying to do the same speed with a tiny contact patch, ZERO room for any error, Zero room for too much throttle or brake, feeling every bump though your body, constantly moving your body around as a counter weight for constant laps.
Its an impressive lap anyway, not taking anything away from what he's done.
'Cos threading an 1100 +kg, 2m wide projectile through roads 5m wide at 165mph strikes me as requiring every bit as much skill as threading a 200kg, 200mph .5m wide projectile through the same 5m width gap. Fully committed, they'll be no margin for error in the car either.Sure the consequences of getting it wrong on a bike are far, far more severe, but don't think for one millisecond that a 1100kg car crashing in to the Manx scenery/roadside furniture at 165mph will be anything other than a plane crash in its intensity. There's simply huge amount of energy to disperse in 1100kgs travelling at 165mph, and irrespective of the cage, seat and harnesses fitted to the Subaru, the resultant crash would be absolutely horrific.
Added to which, should the unthinkable happen, it would most likely hit vastly more spectators than a riderless bike.
The bloke's a complete hero, nothing more, nothing less.
Edit to add video link :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9--pDVIMJ8
Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 6th June 23:27
It doesn't matter which is better, bikes or cars. NOBODY can take away from him how f
king fast that is. I very much doubt there is a single person on here that could do it quicker, in that car, or any other for that matter. I honestly don't think there is anyone better for the job.
He's knocking on the door of a 130mph lap. Just imagine AVERAGING 130mph over that distance over bumps, jumps, blind crest, hairpins etc all on fairly normal roads normally used by normal people. I would st my pants doing a ton down bray hill!
just think, it's only a few years ago 130 was broken for the first time on a bike.
I cannot wait to see the full on board lap. If last years was anything to go by, it's going to be awesome! I'm just as excited to see that as I am the bikes!
king fast that is. I very much doubt there is a single person on here that could do it quicker, in that car, or any other for that matter. I honestly don't think there is anyone better for the job.He's knocking on the door of a 130mph lap. Just imagine AVERAGING 130mph over that distance over bumps, jumps, blind crest, hairpins etc all on fairly normal roads normally used by normal people. I would s
t my pants doing a ton down bray hill! just think, it's only a few years ago 130 was broken for the first time on a bike.I cannot wait to see the full on board lap. If last years was anything to go by, it's going to be awesome! I'm just as excited to see that as I am the bikes!
Slippydiff said:
Glad to hear it 'Cos threading an 1100 +kg, 2m wide projectile through roads 5m wide at 165mph strikes me as requiring every bit as much skill as threading a 200kg, 200mph .5m wide projectile through the same 5m width gap. Fully committed, they'll be no margin for error in the car either.
Sure the consequences of getting it wrong on a bike are far, far more severe, but don't think for one millisecond that a 1100kg car crashing in to the Manx scenery/roadside furniture at 165mph will be anything other than a plane crash in its intensity. There's simply huge amount of energy to disperse in 1100kgs travelling at 165mph, and irrespective of the cage, seat and harnesses fitted to the Subaru, the resultant crash would be absolutely horrific.
Added to which, should the unthinkable happen, it would most likely hit vastly more spectators than a riderless bike.
The bloke's a complete hero, nothing more, nothing less.
'Cos threading an 1100 +kg, 2m wide projectile through roads 5m wide at 165mph strikes me as requiring every bit as much skill as threading a 200kg, 200mph .5m wide projectile through the same 5m width gap. Fully committed, they'll be no margin for error in the car either.Sure the consequences of getting it wrong on a bike are far, far more severe, but don't think for one millisecond that a 1100kg car crashing in to the Manx scenery/roadside furniture at 165mph will be anything other than a plane crash in its intensity. There's simply huge amount of energy to disperse in 1100kgs travelling at 165mph, and irrespective of the cage, seat and harnesses fitted to the Subaru, the resultant crash would be absolutely horrific.
Added to which, should the unthinkable happen, it would most likely hit vastly more spectators than a riderless bike.
The bloke's a complete hero, nothing more, nothing less.
Spot on. This is coming from a huge bike fan. I dread to think of the carnage if it all went tits up.
AdamIndy said:
He's knocking on the door of a 130mph lap. Just imagine AVERAGING 130mph over that distance over bumps, jumps, blind crest, hairpins etc all on fairly normal roads normally used by normal people. I would st my pants doing a ton down bray hill! just think, it's only a few years ago 130 was broken for the first time on a bike.
With a bit more practice he'll be almost ready to drive a builder's transit van across London. t my pants doing a ton down bray hill! just think, it's only a few years ago 130 was broken for the first time on a bike.
PorkInsider said:
Probably already been said but that 8th place bike has averaged that speed over 6 laps... including pit stops... from a standing start.
Indeed, it has been put forward elsewhere on PH seemingly to in some way denigrate the sheer scale of Higgins achievements. So genuine question, how much time do you think a 550-600hp, 4wd, slick shod car would give away to the fastest bike/rider combination over a standing start ?The 6 lap point is pointless (and irrelevant) in terms of what Subaru/Higgins/Prodrive set out to do. But if were relevant, they'd rejig the car's weight distribution/fuel tank location and fuel it for six laps, thereby eliminating the need for a pit stop.
Alternatively the bike could always be fitted with a fuel tank big enough to do the full six lap distance... oh hold on second, it can't can it ?
DonkeyApple said:
AdamIndy said:
He's knocking on the door of a 130mph lap. Just imagine AVERAGING 130mph over that distance over bumps, jumps, blind crest, hairpins etc all on fairly normal roads normally used by normal people. I would st my pants doing a ton down bray hill! just think, it's only a few years ago 130 was broken for the first time on a bike.
With a bit more practice he'll be almost ready to drive a builder's transit van across London. t my pants doing a ton down bray hill! just think, it's only a few years ago 130 was broken for the first time on a bike.He' could show all those shandy-drinking southern van drivers a thing or to :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLkBdfbLqGhOzQ2p9...
Robbie Head " Still in 6th gear..."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLkBdfbLqGhOzQ2p9...
Robbie Head " Still in 6th gear..."
Slippydiff said:
Indeed, it has been put forward elsewhere on PH seemingly to in some way denigrate the sheer scale of Higgins achievements. So genuine question, how much time do you think a 550-600hp, 4wd, slick shod car would give away to the fastest bike/rider combination over a standing start ?
The 6 lap point is pointless (and irrelevant) in terms of what Subaru/Higgins/Prodrive set out to do. But if were relevant, they'd rejig the car's weight distribution/fuel tank location and fuel it for six laps, thereby eliminating the need for a pit stop.
Alternatively the bike could always be fitted with a fuel tank big enough to do the full six lap distance... oh hold on second, it can't can it ?
Please point out when a bike has been given the same concessions, on the TT course, that the car has been afforded, to attain a lap time?The 6 lap point is pointless (and irrelevant) in terms of what Subaru/Higgins/Prodrive set out to do. But if were relevant, they'd rejig the car's weight distribution/fuel tank location and fuel it for six laps, thereby eliminating the need for a pit stop.
Alternatively the bike could always be fitted with a fuel tank big enough to do the full six lap distance... oh hold on second, it can't can it ?
I'm guessing you can't!
Well that is a f*cking quick lap by any standards, and whether you are in a car or on a bike there is NO room for error on the TT course! (Although one maybe has a higher potential survival rate).
I am old so remember the media furore when Tony Pond lapped the course at over 100 mph in a Rover 820 Vitesse, and even that was impressive!
But you can't compare apples with oranges - the Scooby lap is amazing, but so is Michael Dunlop's first lap.
BTW I know people are saying those bikes cost around £250K - well what would you have to pay for a Scooby with that spec? Somehow doubt it would be any cheaper!
I am old so remember the media furore when Tony Pond lapped the course at over 100 mph in a Rover 820 Vitesse, and even that was impressive!
But you can't compare apples with oranges - the Scooby lap is amazing, but so is Michael Dunlop's first lap.
BTW I know people are saying those bikes cost around £250K - well what would you have to pay for a Scooby with that spec? Somehow doubt it would be any cheaper!
CypSIdders said:
Please point out when a bike has been given the same concessions, on the TT course, that the car has been afforded, to attain a lap time?
I'm guessing you can't!
Errr, so that in some way detracts from the level of Higgin's commitment does it ? Added to which the Subaru makes no pretence at running to the same regulations as any bike racing on the island this week. I'm guessing you can't!
Still, page 4 and no one's brought up the cost differential yet, that's progress for PH
FWIW there's another thread running about the car on PH. A contributor to that thread has raced and done a 125mph average lap sound the TT circuit. He politely stated at the start of the thread that Higgins wouldn't break the 120-122mph barrier.
He's been man enough (though I don't think that was ever in question) to admit that what Higgin's has done in the Subaru over the last couple of days, is impressive AND exceeded his expectations. And when someone who's actually been there and done it says it's an impressive achievement, the majority of the naysayers looking to undermine Higgin's achievements start to look rather lame.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B0OiwAeJABc
finnie said:
I find it notable that this car is not slammed. So many people lower a car to the floor, wheels up in the arches for example. Yet here is a team striving for a fast time on a real road course who actually leave some suspension travel in the car. Surely proves that all the boy racers weren't right at all!
Horses for courses, this needs suspension travel due to the course it's on, to counter your argument, look at touring cars Perhaps 3 wheels is the ultimate challenge?
http://www.downmemorylane.me.uk/Isle%20of%20Man%20...
Those guys are crackers.
http://www.downmemorylane.me.uk/Isle%20of%20Man%20...
Those guys are crackers.
Slippydiff said:
[quote=PorkInsider
Indeed, it has been put forward elsewhere on PH seemingly to in some way denigrate the sheer scale of Higgins achievements. So genuine question, how much time do you think a 550-600hp, 4wd, slick shod car would give away to the fastest bike/rider combination over a standing start ?
The 6 lap point is pointless (and irrelevant) in terms of what Subaru/Higgins/Prodrive set out to do. But if were relevant, they'd rejig the car's weight distribution/fuel tank location and fuel it for six laps, thereby eliminating the need for a pit stop.
Alternatively the bike could always be fitted with a fuel tank big enough to do the full six lap distance... oh hold on second, it can't can it ?
Doubt it! It's using 65Litres per lap, best part of 400KG of fuel for 6 laps. Not sure the tyres would last that long either.Indeed, it has been put forward elsewhere on PH seemingly to in some way denigrate the sheer scale of Higgins achievements. So genuine question, how much time do you think a 550-600hp, 4wd, slick shod car would give away to the fastest bike/rider combination over a standing start ?
The 6 lap point is pointless (and irrelevant) in terms of what Subaru/Higgins/Prodrive set out to do. But if were relevant, they'd rejig the car's weight distribution/fuel tank location and fuel it for six laps, thereby eliminating the need for a pit stop.
Alternatively the bike could always be fitted with a fuel tank big enough to do the full six lap distance... oh hold on second, it can't can it ?
It could do a standing start OK as long as it had tyre warmers, like the bikes have. It is starting it's warm up at the Creg for safety reasons.
bigmowley said:
Slippydiff said:
[quote=PorkInsider
Indeed, it has been put forward elsewhere on PH seemingly to in some way denigrate the sheer scale of Higgins achievements. So genuine question, how much time do you think a 550-600hp, 4wd, slick shod car would give away to the fastest bike/rider combination over a standing start ?
The 6 lap point is pointless (and irrelevant) in terms of what Subaru/Higgins/Prodrive set out to do. But if were relevant, they'd rejig the car's weight distribution/fuel tank location and fuel it for six laps, thereby eliminating the need for a pit stop.
Alternatively the bike could always be fitted with a fuel tank big enough to do the full six lap distance... oh hold on second, it can't can it ?
Doubt it! It's using 65Litres per lap, best part of 400KG of fuel for 6 laps. Not sure the tyres would last that long either.Indeed, it has been put forward elsewhere on PH seemingly to in some way denigrate the sheer scale of Higgins achievements. So genuine question, how much time do you think a 550-600hp, 4wd, slick shod car would give away to the fastest bike/rider combination over a standing start ?
The 6 lap point is pointless (and irrelevant) in terms of what Subaru/Higgins/Prodrive set out to do. But if were relevant, they'd rejig the car's weight distribution/fuel tank location and fuel it for six laps, thereby eliminating the need for a pit stop.
Alternatively the bike could always be fitted with a fuel tank big enough to do the full six lap distance... oh hold on second, it can't can it ?
It could do a standing start OK as long as it had tyre warmers, like the bikes have. It is starting it's warm up at the Creg for safety reasons.
Talksteer said:
Not entirely surprising, if you look at lap times superbikes and motto gp bikes are on comparable lap times to GT3 and LM GTE cars.
This is basically a GT3 spec car.
An LMP car would easily smash the record.
You can't say that you'll upset all the power rangers on here even more.This is basically a GT3 spec car.
An LMP car would easily smash the record.
Shame the event isn't for cars too, I can imagine manufacturers coming up with some incredible machines to compete with each other.
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