RE: Why Audi needs a diesel R8: PH Blog
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Like or hate the idea, I think if it was going to happen it has missed the boat to do it!!
Personally I think the bad attributes of diesel have finally awoken the 'powers at be' and although it's early days, I think ultimately diesel technology in cars will be on a very slow but certain downwards shift.
Even in Sports Car racing I wouldn't be surprised if in the not too distant future that the rules are changed to outlaw diesel.. (Considering it is a high-profile sport and generally likes to be at the cutting edge of technological progress)
Perhaps Audi don't want to associate their 'halo' sports car with a technology that is being more and more reported as a signficant health risk.
Personally I think the bad attributes of diesel have finally awoken the 'powers at be' and although it's early days, I think ultimately diesel technology in cars will be on a very slow but certain downwards shift.
Even in Sports Car racing I wouldn't be surprised if in the not too distant future that the rules are changed to outlaw diesel.. (Considering it is a high-profile sport and generally likes to be at the cutting edge of technological progress)
Perhaps Audi don't want to associate their 'halo' sports car with a technology that is being more and more reported as a signficant health risk.
R E S T E C P said:
What's so bad about a diesel TT when it's offered along with so many petrol options? There's only one diesel while there's the 1.8 TFSI, 2.0 TFSI, TTS and TTRS.
Not too much, and i can honestly understand why there is a diesel TT (just like the diesel options for the Alfa GT/brera for instance), but that is where the line should be drawn imho, a TT still works as a sensible daily, and thus benefits (in certain scenarios) from a diesel engine. Putting the same thought behind a diesel R8? nah, nonsense.stuart-b said:
You all seem to be missing the point Dan is trying to make.
Audi is WINNING with diesel performance cars.
And just last year got their ass whipped by a small turbo petrol, shall we suggest Audi swap the V10 for a 2 litre turbo? (or toyota winning WEC in 2014 with their big NA V8)Audi is WINNING with diesel performance cars.
As for winning with diesel, that is a direct consequence of regulations, it proves that with the fuel capacity/pit stop regulations used in LMP1 for the past decade, diesel has an edge because of the added range. translated to consumer use, the market for an R8 TDI would be people regularly cruising the width of the continent in their car getting bored because of all the fuel stops, who want the 100-200 miles extra range. To which i say, buy an A5 TDI.
RE: They teased us with an R8 V12 TDI concept back in 2008. Our colleagues at Autocar even got to drive it. But still no production car.
That was 8 years ago. When diesel powered 5-series whacked every GTI on the market.
Today 2016: diesel is this close :fingerspinchedtogether: from getting banned from every city and within 10 years there will be no diesel car being sold.
So, Audi is simply being clever.
That was 8 years ago. When diesel powered 5-series whacked every GTI on the market.
Today 2016: diesel is this close :fingerspinchedtogether: from getting banned from every city and within 10 years there will be no diesel car being sold.
So, Audi is simply being clever.
dinkel said:
Today 2016: diesel is this close :fingerspinchedtogether: from getting banned from every city and within 10 years there will be no diesel car being sold.
I disagree with this. I like petrol engines a lot but diesel still has it's place, it's just not in small hatchbacks and sports/super cars. Stuff like vans, big barges and 4x4s will continue to be powered by the black stuff while it still offers huge torque and good MPG. I drive a Yeti because I need a car that tows a race car on a trailer and will do 30K miles a year at reasonable cost. I wouldn't have go that with a 1.4TSI petrol version!
Mr Trent has form in this regard.driftingphil said:
the only direction i see the R8 going, is with a petrol V6 twin turbo. it will still have more power and torque than a v10.
or make it available with some kind of hybrid/electric assist super mpg thing, using a highly charged 5 pot that be directly engaged and can scream on track, but dis-enaged in a different mode to generate electric efficiently too, both a homage and forward looking too. This would be a test bed or seen as pioneering and right-on enough to appeal to eco-tistical hollywood types, not some oversized tractor engine- if you're going to derv it- for what? range, mpg? make it a hybrid assist V6 as that'll be "quick enough" but even then, who "pulls the trigger" on a supercar with a eye on economy/practicality? And like said who wants a diesel trailblazer post-emissiongate? DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.
except the 40k people a year that die from air pollutionhttp://www.nhs.uk/news/2016/02February/Pages/Air-p...
and the government looking at tax hikes for them
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/londons-di...
and the new mayor of london vowing to crack down on diesels in london
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/1...
Thing is, it would probably be excellent, but its a Supercar and it cant run on the tightarse Taxi Juice, its meant to be heroically s
t on fuel and sound evil, larger than life, even the R8, the most low key of the Supercars.
A diesel one is like meeting a hero of yours who then taps you up for a few quid and a fag, so its perhaps an image problem for me rather than a technical objection.
Nothing wrong with diesel cars really but it just generally says that cost of fuel is an issue for the owner and supercars are not for the frugal, its like having a diet vintage Champagne, Tesco Value Fillet Mignon or a Gulfstream Jet based on an Easyjet theme, why spoil the real deal with a diesel engine ?
A diesel engine is fine in an A4 or whatever, they drive fine and will knock on 50 MPG, that is the consolation, that and some torque but turbo petrols are doing that very well nowadays, if those two things didnt exist then nobody would bother with diesels, and someone else pointed out that they have had their day and a massive backlash is incoming.
Electric, Hybrid Petrol/Electric or just Petrol are the current options, the window for a diesel supercar has closed, it was niche idea then, now its just plain not going to happen.
t on fuel and sound evil, larger than life, even the R8, the most low key of the Supercars.A diesel one is like meeting a hero of yours who then taps you up for a few quid and a fag, so its perhaps an image problem for me rather than a technical objection.
Nothing wrong with diesel cars really but it just generally says that cost of fuel is an issue for the owner and supercars are not for the frugal, its like having a diet vintage Champagne, Tesco Value Fillet Mignon or a Gulfstream Jet based on an Easyjet theme, why spoil the real deal with a diesel engine ?
A diesel engine is fine in an A4 or whatever, they drive fine and will knock on 50 MPG, that is the consolation, that and some torque but turbo petrols are doing that very well nowadays, if those two things didnt exist then nobody would bother with diesels, and someone else pointed out that they have had their day and a massive backlash is incoming.
Electric, Hybrid Petrol/Electric or just Petrol are the current options, the window for a diesel supercar has closed, it was niche idea then, now its just plain not going to happen.
LA167 said:
A diesel ban will never happen, how many petrol powered lorries have you seen in the cities lately!?
been saying years they should bring back trolleybusses and make lorries/large vans hybrid and the con charge toll they pay entitles them to use the grid, wouldn't need to have grids everywhere so long as you had batts/engine for short hops between wires on main roads, but I guess now we're waiting for magic bullet battery tech to improve/arrive while going "lalalalalalala" with fingers in ears to the various significant environmental issues with them.Shame, just got back from budapest which is mostly trams/trolleybusses everywhere/all the time and the air even in the middle of congested city centre was so much better
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