Motability Scheme, very impressive car choices.

[Tuvra]

HTP99 said:

Tuvra said:

Serious question, but if you have a motability car, could you/should you be in full time employment?

Serious question; what difference does it make?

Because I know someone who works 40 hours a week doing a bar job and has her own motability car (not in anyone elses name etc). Don't really see why she has a subsidised car if shes able to pay for her own

Unless she's working illegally and ripping off the system of course

[HTP99]

Tuvra said:

HTP99 said:

Tuvra said:

Serious question, but if you have a motability car, could you/should you be in full time employment?

Serious question; what difference does it make?

Because I know someone who works 40 hours a week doing a bar job and has her own motability car (not in anyone elses name etc). Don't really see why she has a subsidised car if shes able to pay for her own

Unless she's working illegally and ripping off the system of course

Like I said, the Higher Rate Mobility Component of DLA isn't means tested.

I still fail to see what difference it makes if you work or not, I have many Motability customers who work, I have a few that probably don't need the Higher Rate Mobility Component as they seem comfortably off, perhaps they shouldn't have it either?

Would you prefer it if she purchased car using a loan or finance; she would still receive the Higher Rate Mobility Component though?

[MattLeBlank]

Some very small minded comments on here.

The OP's son is in receipt of financial assistance from the government, obviously because is he deemed worthy and this money is probably intended to help give him live a normal life. As a parent; I cannot think of anything worse than my children being ill and my thoughts go out to the op.

There is an undertone on here that suggests that disabled people should get no benefits and pay more tax, after all they are a bigger burden on the nhs?!?

[burritoNinja]

SteveSteveson said:

I think you need to look in to DLA (now PIP). It is not income dependant, and no one is living on DLA or PIP. It is a payment to those with disabilities to cover some of the additional costs of having a disability. You can get it if you are in work or not.

I've came across wrong. I know you can claim whilst working. What I should have expanded on was them stating that I could give up working all together and clam PIP and whatever other benefits it is that people get along side it. I imagine I probably could claim whilst working. Would have to look into everything but I think I might apply for the parking badge.
My mother-in-law is on high rate PIP and has been out of work for ten years. She uses hers for a scooter.

[mph1977]

williamp said:

I doubt people on here are questioning their right to a mobility car if the need exists. Perhaps they are questioning why the taxpayer pays for premium brands, when cheap cars (hell, after Friday who knows) cheap British made cars would "do" and be "adequate"???

Motability Ops is company owned by the retails banks and Motability the charity , there is no state involement

a motability lease lease takes most if not all of your higher rate mobility component (HRMC) of DLA/PIP /war Pension

a good number of the cars on the scheme also require an 'advance payment' to cover the difference between the lease cost over the 3 / 5 years and the amount recieved via the HRMC.

so kindly bore off with your inaccurate and hate driven comments.

[mph1977]

Tuvra said:

HTP99 said:

Tuvra said:

Serious question, but if you have a motability car, could you/should you be in full time employment?

Serious question; what difference does it make?

Because I know someone who works 40 hours a week doing a bar job and has her own motability car (not in anyone elses name etc). Don't really see why she has a subsidised car if shes able to pay for her own

Unless she's working illegally and ripping off the system of course

kindly return when you have learnt what PIP / DLA are about

alternatively take your hate speech and libellous accusations elsewhere.

[mph1977]

burritoNinja said:

SteveSteveson said:

I think you need to look in to DLA (now PIP). It is not income dependant, and no one is living on DLA or PIP. It is a payment to those with disabilities to cover some of the additional costs of having a disability. You can get it if you are in work or not.

I've came across wrong. I know you can claim whilst working. What I should have expanded on was them stating that I could give up working all together and clam PIP and whatever other benefits it is that people get along side it. I imagine I probably could claim whilst working. Would have to look into everything but I think I might apply for the parking badge.
My mother-in-law is on high rate PIP and has been out of work for ten years. She uses hers for a scooter.

you can claim PIP regardless

ESA / income support / housing benefit have no impact on this - as that is what people are claiming if they 'give up working' due to a disability ...

[burritoNinja]

mph1977 said:

you can claim PIP regardless

ESA / income support / housing benefit have no impact on this - as that is what people are claiming if they 'give up working' due to a disability ...

Thank you for the advice. Will look into it.

[Sheepshanks]

Tuvra said:

Because I know someone who works 40 hours a week doing a bar job and has her own motability car (not in anyone elses name etc). Don't really see why she has a subsidised car if shes able to pay for her own

Unless she's working illegally and ripping off the system of course

One of the points of the allowance, which can be surrendered in return for a car, is to enable people to get out and work.

So unless she shouldn't qualify for the allowance, then it's a very good thing that she's working.

[treetops]

I'm sure there are some very honest and needy recipients of Motability and a good thing it does for those genuine people - I'm all behind that.

However its been said to be one of the most abused systems out there, the needy person that doesn't need the car, but takes it anyway and the vehicle is then driven by a relative.

That and blue badge holders, who around these parts all seem to be local shopkeepers, who park their car / van outside their shop. Never knew so many blue badge holders were in retail...

[mr_spock]

"Needing the car" is not a criterion. Getting DLA/PIP with mobility component is the criterion.

Anyway, back to the point. I forgot to mention to the OP that in certain circumstances you can get a grant to cover extra costs of adaptations relevant to the disability. For a car to support a non-driver, that may apply for stuff like wheelchair hosts etc. For a driver this may be things like a hoist, hand controls, an auto box, rear parking sensors (for example if you have limited movement in your neck) and so on.

Motability also subsidise a few driving lessons for new drivers with specialist instructors.

[mph1977]

treetops said:

I'm sure there are some very honest and needy recipients of Motability and a good thing it does for those genuine people - I'm all behind that.

However its been said to be one of the most abused systems out there, the needy person that doesn't need the car, but takes it anyway and the vehicle is then driven by a relative.

That and blue badge holders, who around these parts all seem to be local shopkeepers, who park their car / van outside their shop. Never knew so many blue badge holders were in retail...

and this is about the abuse of vulnerable people by their relatives / friends and has little or nothing to do with the eligibility of the people who actually qualified in the first place.

but while dealing with this type of domestic abuse is seen as 'grassing' the greey will continue to take advantage.

[stuartmmcfc]

mr_spock said:

Anyway, back to the point. I forgot to mention to the OP that in certain circumstances you can get a grant to cover extra costs of adaptations relevant to the disability. For a car to support a non-driver, that may apply for stuff like wheelchair hosts etc. For a driver this may be things like a hoist, hand controls, an auto box, rear parking sensors (for example if you have limited movement in your neck) and so on.
s.

From my own personal experience,
Motability equip all their cars with rear parking sensors, even if it's a manufacturers extra.
I'm nor aware of a grant for an auto box, there's plenty of autos on the list.
Hand controls are a free adaptation.
Hoists are subsidised. I think mine cost me £300 on a full price of £750. This is regardless if it's the driver who needs it or the passenger.
HTH

[HTP99]

stuartmmcfc said:

mr_spock said:

Anyway, back to the point. I forgot to mention to the OP that in certain circumstances you can get a grant to cover extra costs of adaptations relevant to the disability. For a car to support a non-driver, that may apply for stuff like wheelchair hosts etc. For a driver this may be things like a hoist, hand controls, an auto box, rear parking sensors (for example if you have limited movement in your neck) and so on.
s.

From my own personal experience,
Motability equip all their cars with rear parking sensors, even if it's a manufacturers extra.
I'm nor aware of a grant for an auto box, there's plenty of autos on the list.
Hand controls are a free adaptation.
Hoists are subsidised. I think mine cost me £300 on a full price of £750. This is regardless if it's the driver who needs it or the passenger.
HTH

Motability don't equip all their cars with parking sensors.

You can get a grant to help with the advance payment i.e a manual is nil advance but you need an auto but the advance is £700, if you can't afford the advance they may help with a grant towards it, however in my experience they will first suggest that you look for an alternative suitable automatic that has a lower advance; you can't stamp your feet and say "well I like that one better so I want that one so can you pay for it"

All Motability Managed adaptations are Motability subsidised; usually to a very high amount, however only if fitted before collection, if you decide later on that you need adaptations, Motability don't get involved and you will have to pay the full price.

[Morningside]

I think also some adaptions are VAT exempt?

[stuartmmcfc]

Motability told me by email that their policy was to have all cars fitted with reversing sensors. This is from my experience though and may have been part of a scheme/offer they were running at the time. My fiesta was fitted with them despite it being a cost option and one I hadn't specified. Are there any cars in the list nowadays which don't have reversing sensors fitted as standard?
I fell foul of having hand controls fitted after I'd taken delivery. I thought I didn't need them at the time but decided after a couple of months I did. When I phoned them I was told I'd have to pay for them myself but I may be able to get a grant but it wasn't easy.

Edited by stuartmmcfc on Wednesday 22 June 14:53

[stuartmmcfc]

Morningside said:

I think also some adaptions are VAT exempt?

Adaptions because of disability, weather car or at home, are generally free of VAT.

[HTP99]

stuartmmcfc said:

Motability told me by email that their policy was to have all cars with reversing sensors fitted.

I have been a "Motability Specialist" at the dealer that I work for, for 10 years, I have never heard of that policy, however I have encountered people that; like you, think that it is policy, they have usually come from other makes so perhaps it is the policy of a particular manufacturer.

[stuartmmcfc]

HTP99 said:

stuartmmcfc said:

Motability told me by email that their policy was to have all cars with reversing sensors fitted.

I have been a "Motability Specialist" at the dealer that I work for, for 10 years, I have never heard of that policy, however I have encountered people that; like you, think that it is policy, they have usually come from other makes so perhaps it is the policy of a particular manufacturer.

Just from my experience of the email I received
I have to say though (and this is by NO WAY a slur on you ) that my experience of Motability Specialists have been varied. Ford have been good, Mitubushi very poor and Hyundai varying between very good and distinctly average.
Of course people vary, but is the training organised by Motability or the "manufacturers"?

[mp3manager]

stuartmmcfc said:

Just from my experience of the email I received
I have to say though (and this is by NO WAY a slur on you ) that my experience of Motability Specialists have been varied. Ford have been good, Mitubushi very poor and Hyundai varying between very good and distinctly average.
Of course people vary, but is the training organised by Motability or the "manufacturers"?

I think it's Motability, the sales manager from my nearest Honda dealer has a training certificate on the wall, signed by Motability.