People that drive 50 on motorways - why?
Discussion
johnwilliams77 said:
Do superior karting skills = superior road craft???!
I am very good at driving go karts. But being around 19 stone, they are no good at getting up to any speed with me in them. So if I start at the front, I can hold everyone else off from overtaking me, but if I start near the back, I'll only usually overtake people when they crash.So in answer to your question - No?
Shakermaker said:
I am very good at driving go karts. But being around 19 stone, they are no good at getting up to any speed with me in them. So if I start at the front, I can hold everyone else off from overtaking me, but if I start near the back, I'll only usually overtake people when they crash.
So in answer to your question - No?
Obviously it has no correlation. Hence a stupid statement.So in answer to your question - No?
johnwilliams77 said:
Shakermaker said:
I am very good at driving go karts. But being around 19 stone, they are no good at getting up to any speed with me in them. So if I start at the front, I can hold everyone else off from overtaking me, but if I start near the back, I'll only usually overtake people when they crash.
So in answer to your question - No?
Obviously it has no correlation. Hence a stupid statement.So in answer to your question - No?
And of course, how do I know how good I am at driving? Clearly I'm on PH, so I am a driving god, but I wonder if the chap who suggested the karting race is any good?
F1GTRUeno said:
It boils my piss because motorways were invented for the convenience of getting somewhere more quickly than a standard road and if you're not willing to do motorway speeds then why the f
k are you on there to begin with?
It always seems to me that the ones who are doing significantly slower speeds are st scared of being on a motorway to begin with and shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car anyway.
It affects me leaving the motorway because I'm using the motorway to get somewhere quicker than an average road otherwise I wouldn't be on there either.
Not to mention motorways are boring as fk and rife with horrible, horrible driving (for slow people, too fast people, middle lane hoggers, tailgaiters, etc) so why on earth would you possibly spend more time on there than you could?
Oh and having worked in distribution coming face to face with HGV drivers, quite a lot of them are tts yes.
Wow. Anyone who would think it was your own personal road? k are you on there to begin with?It always seems to me that the ones who are doing significantly slower speeds are s
t scared of being on a motorway to begin with and shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car anyway.It affects me leaving the motorway because I'm using the motorway to get somewhere quicker than an average road otherwise I wouldn't be on there either.
Not to mention motorways are boring as f
k and rife with horrible, horrible driving (for slow people, too fast people, middle lane hoggers, tailgaiters, etc) so why on earth would you possibly spend more time on there than you could?Oh and having worked in distribution coming face to face with HGV drivers, quite a lot of them are t
ts yes.Driving @ 50 on a motorway IS still faster than taking the local roads. So, the 'slow' drivers are using the motorway for exactly the same reason as you?
Digby said:
tejr said:
... the 'slow' drivers are using the motorway for exactly the same reason as you?
Apart from the fact they cause untold amounts of unnecessary maneuvering - all of which has associated risks.Or even the 70mph drivers, with no gap between them. I wonder, Which do our see more of?
drivin_me_nuts said:
Digby said:
tejr said:
... the 'slow' drivers are using the motorway for exactly the same reason as you?
Apart from the fact they cause untold amounts of unnecessary maneuvering - all of which has associated risks.Or even the 70mph drivers, with no gap between them. I wonder, Which do our see more of?
No, you shouldn't drive 5m behind the car in front if you are doing 90, or doing 70. Personally if I am going faster I leave a larger gap, not less.
That does not absolve people who could be driving faster than 50 clogging up the motorway trying to save tiny amounts of fuel.
spookly said:
I don't care which you see more of, seeing more of one does not make the other any less idiotic.
No, you shouldn't drive 5m behind the car in front if you are doing 90, or doing 70. Personally if I am going faster I leave a larger gap, not less.
That does not absolve people who could be driving faster than 50 clogging up the motorway trying to save tiny amounts of fuel.
But, if the road is near capacity, surely it's the people trying to do 90, or 70, who actually clog it up?No, you shouldn't drive 5m behind the car in front if you are doing 90, or doing 70. Personally if I am going faster I leave a larger gap, not less.
That does not absolve people who could be driving faster than 50 clogging up the motorway trying to save tiny amounts of fuel.
Mave said:
spookly said:
I don't care which you see more of, seeing more of one does not make the other any less idiotic.
No, you shouldn't drive 5m behind the car in front if you are doing 90, or doing 70. Personally if I am going faster I leave a larger gap, not less.
That does not absolve people who could be driving faster than 50 clogging up the motorway trying to save tiny amounts of fuel.
But, if the road is near capacity, surely it's the people trying to do 90, or 70, who actually clog it up?No, you shouldn't drive 5m behind the car in front if you are doing 90, or doing 70. Personally if I am going faster I leave a larger gap, not less.
That does not absolve people who could be driving faster than 50 clogging up the motorway trying to save tiny amounts of fuel.
spookly said:
I don't care which you see more of, seeing more of one does not make the other any less idiotic.
No, you shouldn't drive 5m behind the car in front if you are doing 90, or doing 70. Personally if I am going faster I leave a larger gap, not less.
That does not absolve people who could be driving faster than 50 clogging up the motorway trying to save tiny amounts of fuel.
But it's not always about saving tiny amounts of fuel. Sometimes, often actually, it's a lot less hassle than playing speed up and slow down with the idiots hell bent on being utter planktards in other lanes. Chill winston, stress is a killer.No, you shouldn't drive 5m behind the car in front if you are doing 90, or doing 70. Personally if I am going faster I leave a larger gap, not less.
That does not absolve people who could be driving faster than 50 clogging up the motorway trying to save tiny amounts of fuel.
Live and let live.. how hard is that to grasp?
Driving slowly isn't always about saving fuel.
If I'm driving to Heathrow, I have to leave a margin for the crappy traffic near it and/or crashes on the motorway and stuff.
If it's clear, I may well arrive before I'm supposed to, meaning unexpected parking charges... or I could just drive slower and arrive on time.
If I'm driving to Heathrow, I have to leave a margin for the crappy traffic near it and/or crashes on the motorway and stuff.
If it's clear, I may well arrive before I'm supposed to, meaning unexpected parking charges... or I could just drive slower and arrive on time.
spookly said:
drivin_me_nuts said:
Digby said:
tejr said:
... the 'slow' drivers are using the motorway for exactly the same reason as you?
Apart from the fact they cause untold amounts of unnecessary maneuvering - all of which has associated risks.Or even the 70mph drivers, with no gap between them. I wonder, Which do our see more of?
No, you shouldn't drive 5m behind the car in front if you are doing 90, or doing 70. Personally if I am going faster I leave a larger gap, not less.
That does not absolve people who could be driving faster than 50 clogging up the motorway trying to save tiny amounts of fuel.
"A slow moving vehicle can be followed along a quiet motorway network as it, along with traffic slowing behind it, triggers lower speed limits.
The problem with a smart motorway is that, when a reduced speed limit is triggered by bunching and slowing traffic, the limit can only be switched off by the traffic speeding up. The same applies to an advisory limit on an ordinary motorway but on a smart motorway the traffic can't speed up because the limit is mandatory and speed cameras enforce it. The braking for the cameras creates a hazard in itself and causes the reduced speed limit to spread along the motorway, increasing a risk of accidents, and what is little to no problem becomes a very big problem"
Looks like you dawdlers are the root cause of pretty much everything.
Digby said:
spookly said:
drivin_me_nuts said:
Digby said:
tejr said:
... the 'slow' drivers are using the motorway for exactly the same reason as you?
Apart from the fact they cause untold amounts of unnecessary maneuvering - all of which has associated risks.Or even the 70mph drivers, with no gap between them. I wonder, Which do our see more of?
No, you shouldn't drive 5m behind the car in front if you are doing 90, or doing 70. Personally if I am going faster I leave a larger gap, not less.
That does not absolve people who could be driving faster than 50 clogging up the motorway trying to save tiny amounts of fuel.
"A slow moving vehicle can be followed along a quiet motorway network as it, along with traffic slowing behind it, triggers lower speed limits.
The problem with a smart motorway is that, when a reduced speed limit is triggered by bunching and slowing traffic, the limit can only be switched off by the traffic speeding up. The same applies to an advisory limit on an ordinary motorway but on a smart motorway the traffic can't speed up because the limit is mandatory and speed cameras enforce it. The braking for the cameras creates a hazard in itself and causes the reduced speed limit to spread along the motorway, increasing a risk of accidents, and what is little to no problem becomes a very big problem"
Looks like you dawdlers are the root cause of pretty much everything.
HGVs can only go at 90km/h because of construction and use regs. That's a smidge under 56mph.
Do we think that smart motorways start putting up low limits because there are HGVs plodding along in lane 1?
Do the same cameras have a problem with joe bloggs in his car driving by at 50mph?
CraigyMc said:
Digby said:
spookly said:
drivin_me_nuts said:
Digby said:
tejr said:
... the 'slow' drivers are using the motorway for exactly the same reason as you?
Apart from the fact they cause untold amounts of unnecessary maneuvering - all of which has associated risks.Or even the 70mph drivers, with no gap between them. I wonder, Which do our see more of?
No, you shouldn't drive 5m behind the car in front if you are doing 90, or doing 70. Personally if I am going faster I leave a larger gap, not less.
That does not absolve people who could be driving faster than 50 clogging up the motorway trying to save tiny amounts of fuel.
"A slow moving vehicle can be followed along a quiet motorway network as it, along with traffic slowing behind it, triggers lower speed limits.
The problem with a smart motorway is that, when a reduced speed limit is triggered by bunching and slowing traffic, the limit can only be switched off by the traffic speeding up. The same applies to an advisory limit on an ordinary motorway but on a smart motorway the traffic can't speed up because the limit is mandatory and speed cameras enforce it. The braking for the cameras creates a hazard in itself and causes the reduced speed limit to spread along the motorway, increasing a risk of accidents, and what is little to no problem becomes a very big problem"
Looks like you dawdlers are the root cause of pretty much everything.
HGVs can only go at 90km/h because of construction and use regs. That's a smidge under 56mph.
Do we think that smart motorways start putting up low limits because there are HGVs plodding along in lane 1?
Do the same cameras have a problem with joe bloggs in his car driving by at 50mph?
The excuses here are amazing given we are talking of motorways.
Face it; you are slow, annoying and cause issues you are obviously oblivious to or simply don't care about.
It's selfish, stupid, pointless and has a negative impact on road safety; even more so when those same people also join motorways at even slower speeds. That is almost always downright dangerous.
Digby said:
Given most car speedos overread and most HGV's do not, I would think there is every chance that the subsequent sub-50 mph dawdlers cause a great deal of issues.
The excuses here are amazing given we are talking of motorways.
Face it; you are slow, annoying and cause issues you are obviously oblivious to or simply don't care about.
It's selfish, stupid, pointless and has a negative impact on road safety; even more so when those same people also join motorways at even slower speeds. That is almost always downright dangerous.
Now, is that more or less dangerous than those travelling at 20mph above the limit. Because more often than not, on a busy motorways, what you wrote about slow drivers is equally applicable to that larger group. The excuses here are amazing given we are talking of motorways.
Face it; you are slow, annoying and cause issues you are obviously oblivious to or simply don't care about.
It's selfish, stupid, pointless and has a negative impact on road safety; even more so when those same people also join motorways at even slower speeds. That is almost always downright dangerous.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Had one yesterday. 3-lane dual carriageway - Mr Muppet pottering up the outside lane at a steady 45 with nothing in lane 2, nothing in front of him and absolutely no intention of moving over. He's paid his road tax so he'll drive in any lane he likes....
....which is a completely different scenario to doing the same speed as the lorries in L1...Mave said:
spookly said:
I don't care which you see more of, seeing more of one does not make the other any less idiotic.
No, you shouldn't drive 5m behind the car in front if you are doing 90, or doing 70. Personally if I am going faster I leave a larger gap, not less.
That does not absolve people who could be driving faster than 50 clogging up the motorway trying to save tiny amounts of fuel.
But, if the road is near capacity, surely it's the people trying to do 90, or 70, who actually clog it up?No, you shouldn't drive 5m behind the car in front if you are doing 90, or doing 70. Personally if I am going faster I leave a larger gap, not less.
That does not absolve people who could be driving faster than 50 clogging up the motorway trying to save tiny amounts of fuel.
drivin_me_nuts said:
Now, is that more or less dangerous than those travelling at 20mph above the limit. Because more often than not, on a busy motorways, what you wrote about slow drivers is equally applicable to that larger group.
I'm not sure what you mean by "equally applicable". One scenario revolves around cars going fast on a road designed for speed and possibly breaking (when possible) a limit set in the dark ages and the other involves cars deliberately driving slowly in amongst them.Given the types of accidents I see with HGV's and cars, I would say it's far less dangerous.
But then maybe all the dawdlers just think they are doing 90 mph when they are actually not; almost anything will seem extremely fast if you are sat at 50 mph or less.
Pete317 said:
Mave said:
spookly said:
I don't care which you see more of, seeing more of one does not make the other any less idiotic.
No, you shouldn't drive 5m behind the car in front if you are doing 90, or doing 70. Personally if I am going faster I leave a larger gap, not less.
That does not absolve people who could be driving faster than 50 clogging up the motorway trying to save tiny amounts of fuel.
But, if the road is near capacity, surely it's the people trying to do 90, or 70, who actually clog it up?No, you shouldn't drive 5m behind the car in front if you are doing 90, or doing 70. Personally if I am going faster I leave a larger gap, not less.
That does not absolve people who could be driving faster than 50 clogging up the motorway trying to save tiny amounts of fuel.
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