People that drive 50 on motorways - why?
Discussion
yonex said:
An almost unbelievably self-contradictory post ably demonstrating my point; especially the bit about intelligence and self-awareness
Thanks for that, I am grateful.Let us conclude that our assumptions about the type of person the OP is aimed at are validated and it really is a habit enjoyed by the sort of person we would all do better without.
Thing is that this attitude carries over into the rest of life. Areas in which we can't simply subvert your nastiness with a twitch of the accelerator pedal. You are the surly teenager intimidating our pensioners; the obstructive Dr's receptionist*; the unhelpful shop girl; the call-centre boy who never updates your details; the clerk who double books your seats at the theatre.
You have a real and lasting detrimental effect on the life of the man on the Clapham omnibus. You are the object of the story retold to the disinterested housewife by the work-weary husband: "you'll never guess what that f
king idiot at Vodafone has gone and done..."This isn't a question of rights, it's a question of responsibilities. We each bear an unwritten responsibility to all others to generally behave in a way which allows us all to pass through this mortal life as pleasantly as possible. You, for whatever reason, feel that you are exempt from that (and then have the gall to accuse others of being possessed of an inflated sense of self-importance). You are the man using his mobile in the quiet carriage; the tall bloke who sits in front of the small girl in the cinema, despite other seats being available.
Please don't attempt to shrug this off with some pithy (not pithy at all) comment about, "calm down Mr Angry, you'll do yourself in being so angry all the time, just learn some patience and stop being so angry, Angry Man". Neither of us can prove our point either way, but for the record, I'm not even slightly angry. I'm not going to Buster Bloodvessel anytime soon. If I'm anything, it's a little bit sad that for all our chirping on about being top of the food chain and the most intelligent beings on the planet, some of us have yet to develop so much as the slightest sense of community, of cohesion, of the idea that in a lot of cases, I don't have to lose for you to win. It saddens me to think that we've been given the incredible gift of self-awareness and of society and of collective responsibility and that so many of us are selfishly turning our backs on that and acting only in self-interest, in much the same way that I imagine a Halibut might if given the choice. Why waste such a gift for no gain other than being able to take a contrary position in an online discussion?
- is my apostrophe in the right place here?
Digby said:
Thing is, I drive for a living and on motorways, after rush hour (or "close to capacity" moments), all those drivers doing whatever they fancy in L3 are just dots in the distance in a very short space of time.
Thats fine after "close to capacity" moments, but unfortunately "close to capacity moments" are not confined to the rush hour. I saw it in the daytime on the M4 and M40 on Friday, M25 and M40 yesterday afternoon, M5 and M6 this afternoon. Accelerating up to speed in L3, seeing the red lights coming on i the distance, seeing the lights rippling back towards me, and back down to a crawl only to repeat a minute later. I was in L3, making as much progress as possible, and in each of those cases, there is no way I was a dot in the distance in a short space of time.Digby said:
Compare that to a situation like today, for example, where I was in L2 on the M25 overtaking half a dozen dawdlers; I just sat in L2 until I had passed them all. I was subsequently sat there for several minutes watching traffic build up behind me as drivers waited to access L3 when they had a chance.
Out of interest, if it took you several minutes to overtake 6 vehicles, how much faster than them were you going?Digby said:
I'm sorry, but you can't sit at 50 mph or less on a fast road and try to convince anyone you don't cause unnecessary issues
Do you also think it's ok to join a motorway at 50 mph or less? I see that daily, too.
I didn't say that, what I previously said was that I didn't see a problem with cars travelling at the same speed as HGVs in L1. That is not the same as travelling slower than HGVs in L1.Do you also think it's ok to join a motorway at 50 mph or less? I see that daily, too.
Edited by Mave on Monday 4th July 20:41
Digby said:
I have quite often and for no apparent reason. It now transpires dawdlers could set off reduced limit "smart" motorway signs, especially when HGV's overtake, so that would explain a great deal.
That would also mean your "mere minutes" suggestion has now turned in to a possible 30 minutes plus and possibly hours if people bunch up and prang as a result. That seems to happen a lot, too.
If using the motorway made me 30 mins late each time, I wouldn't bother.That would also mean your "mere minutes" suggestion has now turned in to a possible 30 minutes plus and possibly hours if people bunch up and prang as a result. That seems to happen a lot, too.
This thread is classic PH bulls
t/trolling/banterThe OP doesn't come across as wanting to know anything about capacity moments. He wants to know why slow drivers who force HGV's to overtake, drive so slowly.
It took me a few minutes because as per usual, their spacing kept altering due to them not being able to decide between 40 or 50 mph +
Then we have the "oh, a lorry. I had better speed up a little" situation. That comes and goes with these types, but more often than not, it is absolutely pointless to pull back in behind them should they speed up (and by speed up, I mean maybe 4 or 5 mph), because the entire process is repeated very quickly as their speed drops again. I don't like being behind such unpredictable drivers, so I keep out of the way in L2 and let the situation play out.
As for your cars at the same speeds as HGV's in lane 1 comment, well, again, that isn't what this thread is about.
It took me a few minutes because as per usual, their spacing kept altering due to them not being able to decide between 40 or 50 mph +
Then we have the "oh, a lorry. I had better speed up a little" situation. That comes and goes with these types, but more often than not, it is absolutely pointless to pull back in behind them should they speed up (and by speed up, I mean maybe 4 or 5 mph), because the entire process is repeated very quickly as their speed drops again. I don't like being behind such unpredictable drivers, so I keep out of the way in L2 and let the situation play out.
As for your cars at the same speeds as HGV's in lane 1 comment, well, again, that isn't what this thread is about.
Digby said:
The OP doesn't come across as wanting to know anything about capacity moments. He wants to know why slow drivers who force HGV's to overtake, drive so slowly.
As for your cars at the same speeds as HGV's in lane 1 comment, well, again, that isn't what this thread is about.
Various people have suggested answers to the OPs question, relating to why people drive so slowly, and so there should be no more need for discussion.As for your cars at the same speeds as HGV's in lane 1 comment, well, again, that isn't what this thread is about.
However, if people are then going on to then suggest people shouldnt drive so slowly because it causes X and Y, then surely that opens that statement up for discussion? Including the various causes of why traffic drops to 40mph for no apparent reason, and the real cause for prangs?
Unless of course the OP was simply posing a rhetorical question, to get a "me too" kangeroo court trial of the slow drivers without any real debate?
Edited by Mave on Monday 4th July 21:17
Digby said:
Do you also think it's ok to join a motorway at 50 mph or less? I see that daily, too.
Entirely depends on the speed of the traffic in L1 and the amount of traffic. Merging into 50mph traffic at 50mph is the correct thing to do, merging at 50mph in 20mph traffic not so much.Mave said:
Digby said:
The OP doesn't come across as wanting to know anything about capacity moments. He wants to know why slow drivers who force HGV's to overtake, drive so slowly.
As for your cars at the same speeds as HGV's in lane 1 comment, well, again, that isn't what this thread is about.
Various people have suggested answers to the OPs question, relating to why people drive so slowly, and so there should be no more need for discussion.As for your cars at the same speeds as HGV's in lane 1 comment, well, again, that isn't what this thread is about.
However, if people are then going on to then suggest people shouldnt drive so slowly because it causes X and Y, then surely that opens that statement up for discussion? Including the various causes of why traffic drops to 40mph for no apparent reason, and the real cause for prangs?
Unless of course the OP was simply posing a rhetorical question, to get a "me too" kangeroo court trial of the slow drivers without any real debate?
Edited by Mave on Monday 4th July 21:17
Mave said:
Various people have suggested answers to the OPs question, relating to why people drive so slowly, and so there should be no more need for discussion.
Yes they have; "because we want to" pretty much sums it up.You must then expect those who don't like this situation to show why this can cause issues. I have, as have others. 50 mph or less drivers cause issues and many were listed. There should be no more need for discussion, yet attempts have been made to justify "because we want to" including quite laughable excuses such as "Mopeds" unstoppable Harley Davidsons and classic cars..
To sum up: Such low speeds can cause issues on fast roads designed for fast traffic. Here ends the discussion?
... except for the times of day on many motorways, where traffic density is such that 50 is more than keeping up. On empty or roads relatively busy, Carry on using l3 or l4 to zip along as you like. Everyone's happy. Except maybe some on here. But then again, you can't please all the people all of the time.
Digby said:
Mave said:
Various people have suggested answers to the OPs question, relating to why people drive so slowly, and so there should be no more need for discussion.
Yes they have; "because we want to" pretty much sums it up.You must then expect those who don't like this situation to show why this can cause issues. I have, as have others. 50 mph or less drivers cause issues and many were listed. There should be no more need for discussion
Digby said:
Mave said:
In certain circumstances, yes.
None of which apply to what the thread is about. Start your own thread on full capacity motorways maybe?Pete317 said:
Mave said:
Pete317 said:
I do hope you're not trying to suggest that a few people driving fast in L3 is anything like as disruptive to traffic flow as is forcing lorries into L2 by driving at 50 in L1
In certain circumstances, yes.Mave said:
Digby said:
Mave said:
What, even if the issues suggested are questionable? Guilty without trial?
Which of mine were? And yes, 40 mph is a daily occurrence at slip roads when people make no attempt to match the speed of traffic. Do you think this is ok?
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