Petition to stop practice of "surface dressing" on roads
Discussion
coppice said:
Unless somebody can come up with a very clever idea (like finding a money tree)how do signatories of teh petition think highway authorities will afford to do 'proper' maintenance?
Building a new road properly from scratch costs £12,500,000 per mile (Norwich NDR) and should last a minimum ten years before any resurfacing work is required. Resurfacing a road properly costs £100,000 per mile and lasts five to ten years.
Top dressing costs £45,000 per mile and lasts six months to a year.
So a properly resurfaced road works out £20,000 per year per mile compared to the top dressings £45,000 per year.
Where the money comes from now will do just fine.
All figures according to Norfolk County Council
So ..it's an annual budget - not aggregated over a decade and one solution cost 60 times more.You are quite right in absolute terms of course but budget settlements don't work like that . PFI could work- if it wasn't such an absurdly complex and flawed model but I read today that some authorities can now opt for multi year budgets now to be paid up front which should delight some engineers...
Liquid Knight said:
coppice said:
Unless somebody can come up with a very clever idea (like finding a money tree)how do signatories of teh petition think highway authorities will afford to do 'proper' maintenance?
Building a new road properly from scratch costs £12,500,000 per mile (Norwich NDR) and should last a minimum ten years before any resurfacing work is required. Resurfacing a road properly costs £100,000 per mile and lasts five to ten years.
Top dressing costs £45,000 per mile and lasts six months to a year.
So a properly resurfaced road works out £20,000 per year per mile compared to the top dressings £45,000 per year.
Where the money comes from now will do just fine.
All figures according to Norfolk County Council
GC8 said:
Liquid Knight said:
coppice said:
Unless somebody can come up with a very clever idea (like finding a money tree)how do signatories of teh petition think highway authorities will afford to do 'proper' maintenance?
Building a new road properly from scratch costs £12,500,000 per mile (Norwich NDR) and should last a minimum ten years before any resurfacing work is required. Resurfacing a road properly costs £100,000 per mile and lasts five to ten years.
Top dressing costs £45,000 per mile and lasts six months to a year.
So a properly resurfaced road works out £20,000 per year per mile compared to the top dressings £45,000 per year.
Where the money comes from now will do just fine.
All figures according to Norfolk County Council
Look at the wet tramlines on this road
If youre in those it'll be slippery with no grip, on the bits inbetween the road will probably convince you its grippy
http://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/another_vehicle_...
Wouldnt be surprised if it's the road surface leading to its notoriety
If youre in those it'll be slippery with no grip, on the bits inbetween the road will probably convince you its grippy
http://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/another_vehicle_...
Wouldnt be surprised if it's the road surface leading to its notoriety
coppice said:
mygoldfishbowl said:
Found out to my horror this morning that they are doing all round Hatfield Forest at the moment. I had to turn round on my bike & go back the way I'd came.
I know it isn't Hatfield Forests or rather the National trusts fault but I feel as though they should have said something, if I can't get there then I'm gonna go elsewhere in the mornings & if I had any dogs I'd take them to crap somewhere else.
Ermm- can you explain your second para? In what sense do you think the NT , for example , have anything remotely to do with road maintenance or nay power to influence it ? I know it isn't Hatfield Forests or rather the National trusts fault but I feel as though they should have said something, if I can't get there then I'm gonna go elsewhere in the mornings & if I had any dogs I'd take them to crap somewhere else.
Unless somebody can come up with a very clever idea (like finding a money tree)how do signatories of teh petition think highway authorities will afford to do 'proper' maintenance? Last time I checked we had enjoyed an austerity programme since 2010... so you want a massive increase in public sector spending - and to prioritise roads over trivial stuff like NHS spending , care for elderly , education etc ?
Liquid Knight said:
Building a new road properly from scratch costs £12,500,000 per mile (Norwich NDR) and should last a minimum ten years before any resurfacing work is required.
Resurfacing a road properly costs £100,000 per mile and lasts five to ten years.
Top dressing costs £45,000 per mile and lasts six months to a year.
So a properly resurfaced road works out £20,000 per year per mile compared to the top dressings £45,000 per year.
Where the money comes from now will do just fine.
Norfolk are good Resurfacing a road properly costs £100,000 per mile and lasts five to ten years.
Top dressing costs £45,000 per mile and lasts six months to a year.
So a properly resurfaced road works out £20,000 per year per mile compared to the top dressings £45,000 per year.
Where the money comes from now will do just fine.
All figures according to Norfolk County Council
Belge said:
As someone who is constantly infuriated by the practice of "surface dressing" (application of bitumen and small stones to resurface roads), and the mess it causes to paintwork, chipped windscreens and the other dangers to bikers, I came across this petition to put a stop to this ineffective and wasteful method.
Having pestered my local council numerous times with nonsense responses in return and no action, I decided it would be great to get fellow motorists supporting the cause and adding pressure via the relevant minister.
Please, if you care about your pride and joy and fellow road users' safety (not to mention our tax money!), then please click on the following link to sign this petition:
https://www.change.org/p/highways-agency-let-s-sto...
SIGNED! Having pestered my local council numerous times with nonsense responses in return and no action, I decided it would be great to get fellow motorists supporting the cause and adding pressure via the relevant minister.
Please, if you care about your pride and joy and fellow road users' safety (not to mention our tax money!), then please click on the following link to sign this petition:
https://www.change.org/p/highways-agency-let-s-sto...
Edited by Belge on Friday 24th June 16:19
Might be directed at the wrong people, but if it gets it discussed and publicised then they might look at it and change it!
Government reply to petition said:
This Government takes the issue of road safety and the condition of the local road network very seriously.
The Government is allocating more than £6bn in this Parliament to highway authorities in England, outside London, for highways maintenance.
For local roads, which are the statutory responsibility of local highway authorities, it is for each individual authority to decide on the most suitable materials to be used for resurfacing and repair works, based upon their local knowledge and circumstances.
Surface Dressing can be an efficient and effective method for routine maintenance of road surfaces. Once authorities have repaired any defects on the road, they spray the existing surface with a thin layer of hot bitumen binder, then spread stone chippings over the bitumen and use a heavy roller so that the bitumen sticks them to the existing surface.
This type of dressing forms a water-resistant protective layer which makes the road less slippery (more skid-resistant) and extends its life by preventing water (and then ice) getting in to cause cracks and eventually potholes.
Usually after a week the highway authority will return to sweep the road to remove most loose chippings. However, some loose chippings will remain until road vehicles press them into the bitumen.
Department for Transport
The Government is allocating more than £6bn in this Parliament to highway authorities in England, outside London, for highways maintenance.
For local roads, which are the statutory responsibility of local highway authorities, it is for each individual authority to decide on the most suitable materials to be used for resurfacing and repair works, based upon their local knowledge and circumstances.
Surface Dressing can be an efficient and effective method for routine maintenance of road surfaces. Once authorities have repaired any defects on the road, they spray the existing surface with a thin layer of hot bitumen binder, then spread stone chippings over the bitumen and use a heavy roller so that the bitumen sticks them to the existing surface.
This type of dressing forms a water-resistant protective layer which makes the road less slippery (more skid-resistant) and extends its life by preventing water (and then ice) getting in to cause cracks and eventually potholes.
Usually after a week the highway authority will return to sweep the road to remove most loose chippings. However, some loose chippings will remain until road vehicles press them into the bitumen.
Department for Transport
Liquid Knight said:
Government reply to petition said:
This Government takes the issue of road safety and the condition of the local road network very seriously.
The Government is allocating more than £6bn in this Parliament to highway authorities in England, outside London, for highways maintenance.
For local roads, which are the statutory responsibility of local highway authorities, it is for each individual authority to decide on the most suitable materials to be used for resurfacing and repair works, based upon their local knowledge and circumstances.
Surface Dressing can be an efficient and effective method for routine maintenance of road surfaces. Once authorities have repaired any defects on the road, they spray the existing surface with a thin layer of hot bitumen binder, then spread stone chippings over the bitumen and use a heavy roller so that the bitumen sticks them to the existing surface.
This type of dressing forms a water-resistant protective layer which makes the road less slippery (more skid-resistant) and extends its life by preventing water (and then ice) getting in to cause cracks and eventually potholes.
Usually after a week the highway authority will return to sweep the road to remove most loose chippings. However, some loose chippings will remain until road vehicles press them into the bitumen.
Department for Transport
The Government is allocating more than £6bn in this Parliament to highway authorities in England, outside London, for highways maintenance.
For local roads, which are the statutory responsibility of local highway authorities, it is for each individual authority to decide on the most suitable materials to be used for resurfacing and repair works, based upon their local knowledge and circumstances.
Surface Dressing can be an efficient and effective method for routine maintenance of road surfaces. Once authorities have repaired any defects on the road, they spray the existing surface with a thin layer of hot bitumen binder, then spread stone chippings over the bitumen and use a heavy roller so that the bitumen sticks them to the existing surface.
This type of dressing forms a water-resistant protective layer which makes the road less slippery (more skid-resistant) and extends its life by preventing water (and then ice) getting in to cause cracks and eventually potholes.
Usually after a week the highway authority will return to sweep the road to remove most loose chippings. However, some loose chippings will remain until road vehicles press them into the bitumen.
Department for Transport
And after a week what type of vehicle is going to press remaining loose chippings into set rock hard bitumen.
Who wrote the reply
Liquid Knight said:
Government reply to petition said:
extends its life by preventing water (and then ice) getting in to cause cracks and eventually potholes.
Nice to see an answer given to a question that wasn't actually asked... if it had been 'What is Surface Dressing?' by Johnny, age 5, then it might have been a bit more relevant.
What that, like most e-Petition answers, pretty much seems to say is 'do be quiet and keep paying your council tax you ungrateful peasants - we've got much more important things to do than listen to grievances!'.
What that, like most e-Petition answers, pretty much seems to say is 'do be quiet and keep paying your council tax you ungrateful peasants - we've got much more important things to do than listen to grievances!'.
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