Disklok, is this right?

Disklok, is this right?

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PhilUK

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261 posts

126 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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I've crashed my car whilst driving it with the disk-lock on, will my insurance still pay out?

MDMA .

8,849 posts

100 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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PhilUK said:
I've crashed my car whilst driving it with the disk-lock on, will my insurance still pay out?
Testing the thatcham rating ?

Toyoda

1,557 posts

99 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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OP, 3 pages in and I think I'm the only person who sees what you're saying. I know exactly what you mean about the disklok as I used to have one. Of course you're not putting it on wrong!! It's meant to spin round so any wrong'un couldnt get purchase on the lock to smash it or prise it open. But... yes it's true you can reach round the back of the lock and access the steering wheel with your hands. I noticed this straight away upon purchase but thought about it no more. I'm sure you could manage to drive the car but it wouldn't be easy, and it would be slowly. Ideally the bar should hit the windscreen but I appreciate on certain cars it doesn't but still, it hits your leg or the car seat and it would hinder any sort of 'normal' driving.


PhilUK

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261 posts

126 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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Toyoda said:
OP, 3 pages in and I think I'm the only person who sees what you're saying. I know exactly what you mean about the disklok as I used to have one. Of course you're not putting it on wrong!! It's meant to spin round so any wrong'un couldnt get purchase on the lock to smash it or prise it open. But... yes it's true you can reach round the back of the lock and access the steering wheel with your hands. I noticed this straight away upon purchase but thought about it no more. I'm sure you could manage to drive the car but it wouldn't be easy, and it would be slowly. Ideally the bar should hit the windscreen but I appreciate on certain cars it doesn't but still, it hits your leg or the car seat and it would hinder any sort of 'normal' driving.
Bloody hell thank you. I thought I was going mad! Yea it doesn't hit the windscreen. I drove round the parking lot where I live. It was a slow drive and I had to take a minute to spin the lock round, but once on a main road I think it wouldn't be much of an issue.

Maybe it would just deter people enough as they wont know, or maybe they would think it could draw attention to them so they won't bother, but still, if they want it they'll take it and risk it.

I'm thinking its a design flaw too and I just have to live with it.

djdest

6,542 posts

177 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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If you look on google image search for disklok mod you will see various ways to fill the back in more

All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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PhilUK said:
Toyoda said:
OP, 3 pages in and I think I'm the only person who sees what you're saying. I know exactly what you mean about the disklok as I used to have one. Of course you're not putting it on wrong!! It's meant to spin round so any wrong'un couldnt get purchase on the lock to smash it or prise it open. But... yes it's true you can reach round the back of the lock and access the steering wheel with your hands. I noticed this straight away upon purchase but thought about it no more. I'm sure you could manage to drive the car but it wouldn't be easy, and it would be slowly. Ideally the bar should hit the windscreen but I appreciate on certain cars it doesn't but still, it hits your leg or the car seat and it would hinder any sort of 'normal' driving.
Bloody hell thank you. I thought I was going mad! Yea it doesn't hit the windscreen. I drove round the parking lot where I live. It was a slow drive and I had to take a minute to spin the lock round, but once on a main road I think it wouldn't be much of an issue.

Maybe it would just deter people enough as they wont know, or maybe they would think it could draw attention to them so they won't bother, but still, if they want it they'll take it and risk it.

I'm thinking its a design flaw too and I just have to live with it.
You think that "once on a main road it wouldn't be much an issue"? GTFO! Either provide a video of you driving down the main road with it on or stfu whining. I also have a Mk3 Focus ST and have a Disklok. If you'd bothered to read the blurb about how the Disklok works before buying it then you'd know they are supposed to be loose enough on the wheel to spin to some degree but unless you don't have any legs and no windscreen you won't be spinning it very far as they both prevent it from going any further.

You also seem to be forgetting that without the key fob being in the car that the steering lock will be engaged. How do you propose to break the steering lock with a loose Disklok covering the very thing you need a lot of leverage on?

Feel free to send it back for a refund and then sleep every night with your arse nipping hoping that some scrote doesn't casually drive off in it with a reprogrammed fob as that's exactly what's happened to a lot of mk3 Focus ST owners that don't use them.

wd888

87 posts

179 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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with the new keyless fob cars that are vulnerable to keyless thefts i can see exactly what you are worried about.
i have a dislok also but its a very good fit on my steering wheel

its still a big detterent but not fully secure, someone can still drive of with the car if they had a programmed gob.

PhilUK

Original Poster:

261 posts

126 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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You think that "once on a main road it wouldn't be much an issue"? GTFO! Either provide a video of you driving down the main road with it on or stfu whining. I also have a Mk3 Focus ST and have a Disklok. If you'd bothered to read the blurb about how the Disklok works before buying it then you'd know they are supposed to be loose enough on the wheel to spin to some degree but unless you don't have any legs and no windscreen you won't be spinning it very far as they both prevent it from going any further.

You also seem to be forgetting that without the key fob being in the car that the steering lock will be engaged. How do you propose to break the steering lock with a loose Disklok covering the very thing you need a lot of leverage on?

Feel free to send it back for a refund and then sleep every night with your arse nipping hoping that some scrote doesn't casually drive off in it with a reprogrammed fob as that's exactly what's happened to a lot of mk3 Focus ST owners that don't use them.
I've no idea where your aggression comes from, but seriously, sort yourself out.

wd888 said:
with the new keyless fob cars that are vulnerable to keyless thefts i can see exactly what you are worried about.
i have a dislok also but its a very good fit on my steering wheel

its still a big detterent but not fully secure, someone can still drive of with the car if they had a programmed gob.
Exactly. It fits, yea, but it's not as secure as it was made out to me when buying it. No biggie, I'm sure it's probably too much of a hassle for would be thieves. People just hack the port and don't even need a replacement fob anyway.

Edited by PhilUK on Monday 27th June 05:10

All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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PhilUK said:
I have no idea where your aggression comes from, but seriously, sort yourself out.
My "aggression" as you put it comes from you apparently being too thick to bother reading and understanding what an item does and how it works before buying it. It seems that your preferred choice is to ignore all that, buy the item then claim it's broken and doesn't work. May I suggest you take a dose of your own "sort yourself out" medicine as it appears that you sir are in far greater need of it than me! smile

PhilUK

Original Poster:

261 posts

126 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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What kind of idiot loses his st over someone asking for clarification about a Disklok? Seriously.

Edited by PhilUK on Monday 27th June 05:09

DegsyE39

576 posts

126 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Agree op's only asking for help no need to start booting off.

Gary C

12,315 posts

178 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Isn't it not there to stop you driving it, but to stop you breaking the steering lock ?

I take it, the hack override of the keyless entry also (obviously) removes the steering lock rendering the discklock useless.

The old crooklock might be better in that case.

For my Evo I bought a wheel clamp. Still use it on the 911. Go to a caravan shop, they sell them there, mines easy to use and solid. No more of a fiddle to fit than a disclock, but it's heavy so you will need to sort some storage in the boot to stop it moving about.

Similar to this one

http://www.halfords.com/motoring/car-accessories/c...tongue outla-211147625044%7Ccrid:97647066964%7Cnw:g%7Crnd:14715539522936454513%7Cdvc:t%7Cadp:1o3&gclid=CLbJ87bUx80CFY9uGwodszUB0g

Edited by Gary C on Monday 27th June 08:15

Bennet

2,119 posts

130 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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I'm not surprised the Focus form didn't want this becoming common knowledge. Obviously, there's nothing wrong with the lock then. It's just not designed with key cloning and electronically released steering locks in mind. I'd still use it. Maybe you could install a hidden fuel pump switch as well.

C70R

17,596 posts

103 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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It's been a while since I owned one, but don't they come in multiple diameters/sizes? Might be worth checking you've bought the correct one for your wheel, as I presume your car came with a small, sporty steering wheel.

However, as others have said, they work most effectively when steering lock is engaged, as they stop the would-be thief from sticking a piece of scaffolding through the wheel and breaking the lock.

C70R

17,596 posts

103 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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All that jazz said:
My "aggression" as you put it comes from you apparently being too thick to bother reading and understanding what an item does and how it works before buying it. It seems that your preferred choice is to ignore all that, buy the item then claim it's broken and doesn't work. May I suggest you take a dose of your own "sort yourself out" medicine as it appears that you sir are in far greater need of it than me! smile
Jeez pal. You need to step away from the keyboard a bit. The guy comes for help, you use his thread to let off steam. Not cool.

996TT02

3,308 posts

139 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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So in effect, this device is only of any use if your car's steering lock works, otherwise, very close to useless.

As if it does not, or can be bypassed, you can drive the car with the disklok fitted, in fact the tighter, the better. Any thief would jam a rag between it and the steering wheel, so that they become one.

It's only real point is preventing your car's steering lock from being broken easily.

Sort of like those door locks with a barrel sleeve that rotates freely to prevent the barrel from being grabbed and rotated complete.

djdest

6,542 posts

177 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Regardless of the steering lock, they're still an excellent visual deterrent and I can't imagine its that easy to drive with one on no matter what technique you use because the arm will always foul against your legs, screen, console etc

All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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C70R said:
It's been a while since I owned one, but don't they come in multiple diameters/sizes? Might be worth checking you've bought the correct one for your wheel, as I presume your car came with a small, sporty steering wheel.
He has the right one, he's already said it's the small one which is correct. They are supposed to be a loose fit so you can move them which prevents the steering lock from being cracked, but not loose enough that you have any chance of lifting it over the wheel. The one I have is exactly like this.

All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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996TT02 said:
So in effect, this device is only of any use if your car's steering lock works, otherwise, very close to useless.

As if it does not, or can be bypassed, you can drive the car with the disklok fitted, in fact the tighter, the better. Any thief would jam a rag between it and the steering wheel, so that they become one.
No, you can't spin it more than about 40 degrees without the arm either being stopped by the windscreen, centre console or your legs. Despite what the OP claims, there is no way you can control the direction of the car at any meaningful speed with the Disklok in place. Plus let's not forget that the thief would not be in possession of the fob so there is also the small detail of getting past the steering lock before any of that can happen.

Gary C

12,315 posts

178 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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All that jazz said:
996TT02 said:
So in effect, this device is only of any use if your car's steering lock works, otherwise, very close to useless.

As if it does not, or can be bypassed, you can drive the car with the disklok fitted, in fact the tighter, the better. Any thief would jam a rag between it and the steering wheel, so that they become one.
No, you can't spin it more than about 40 degrees without the arm either being stopped by the windscreen, centre console or your legs. Despite what the OP claims, there is no way you can control the direction of the car at any meaningful speed with the Disklok in place. Plus let's not forget that the thief would not be in possession of the fob so there is also the small detail of getting past the steering lock before any of that can happen.
He stated that the st's keyless entry is proved to be easy to spoof, so no need for fob and no steering lock problems.

Ie, the whole reason he wants secondary protection. Not sure how he gets the tang past his legs but he also states it doesn't hit the screen.

I suppose you can shuffle it ?

Get a wheel clamp ! just don't forget to take it off

Edited by Gary C on Monday 27th June 11:21