Disklok, is this right?
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Evanivitch said:
Take it back.
Save 50 quid and buy Stoplock Pro.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/950...
I also say take it back and swap for Stoplock Pro. Fantastic sturdy bit of kit, and there's no way you can turn the wheel much either with or without the steering lock on. Save 50 quid and buy Stoplock Pro.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/950...
I use a disklok on my Focus RS, it's meant to spin freely, if it clamped onto the wheel, it would just gives them extra leverage to snap the steering lock.
IF you try driving it with it on for any distance it isn't easy, sometimes I try to move my car down the street when someone parking outside my house moves with it still on, it's not the easiest.
IF you try driving it with it on for any distance it isn't easy, sometimes I try to move my car down the street when someone parking outside my house moves with it still on, it's not the easiest.
djdest said:
A hacksaw would have that off in under a minute, just cut the steering wheel either side of it.
I don't see that as much of a deterrent at all TBH
Stoplock locks around one of the spokes as well as the rim (if fitted correctly) so you'd also have to hacksaw off one of the spokes. Quite a lot of work if you are trying to nick a car quickly and quietly.I don't see that as much of a deterrent at all TBH
A lot of Fiesta ST owners (including me) are fitting Diskloks as a defence against keyless theft, the other main defence is moving or disabling the OBD socket to make it more difficult to bypass the vehicle security.
Given the choice, I'd much rather have had a physical key & mechanical steering lock rather than the apparently easily-bypassable fob & electrically activated steering lock that Ford have fitted to both these cars & the OP's Focus.
Of course even with this, you're still at risk of a burglary to steal keys, but the Disklok might still help deter a theft simply by being visible & giving a thief another key to find plus an additional few seconds delay removing the lock.
Given the choice, I'd much rather have had a physical key & mechanical steering lock rather than the apparently easily-bypassable fob & electrically activated steering lock that Ford have fitted to both these cars & the OP's Focus.
Of course even with this, you're still at risk of a burglary to steal keys, but the Disklok might still help deter a theft simply by being visible & giving a thief another key to find plus an additional few seconds delay removing the lock.
I guarantee that I can spin the thing all the way round while sitting in the car. I do have to move my knees out of the way yea, but it can be done. If you move the seat back it's even easier. It doesn't matter anyway as you just release the steering wheel behind it and move the lock back again. If you drive slowly you can get away with it. They've only gotta get down the road or into a big enough van where they can have privacy to hacksaw it off.
The window is not close enough to provide the resistance needed.
People say you can buy dummy ports. If you hide the actual port in the wiring and have thief dummy attached to where the real one should be, the idea is to trick the thief.
The window is not close enough to provide the resistance needed.
People say you can buy dummy ports. If you hide the actual port in the wiring and have thief dummy attached to where the real one should be, the idea is to trick the thief.
PhilUK said:
I guarantee that I can spin the thing all the way round while sitting in the car. I do have to move my knees out of the way yea, but it can be done. If you move the seat back it's even easier. It doesn't matter anyway as you just release the steering wheel behind it and move the lock back again. If you drive slowly you can get away with it. They've only gotta get down the road or into a big enough van where they can have privacy to hacksaw it off.
The window is not close enough to provide the resistance needed.
People say you can buy dummy ports. If you hide the actual port in the wiring and have thief dummy attached to where the real one should be, the idea is to trick the thief.
So what is your point and what exactly are you wanting advice on? You seem to have all the answers already and have decided that the Disklok is not fit for purpose. Surely the best thing to do then would be return it for a refund and find something better rather than continuing to bleat on about how bad it is?The window is not close enough to provide the resistance needed.
People say you can buy dummy ports. If you hide the actual port in the wiring and have thief dummy attached to where the real one should be, the idea is to trick the thief.
The company have replied.
Disklok said:
Thank you for your e-mail. No you’re doing nothing wrong, but yes the cars design may not allow it to catch on the inside or outer door/window, does it not catch on the door or window?
The Disklok is designed to be used with the steering lock on and rotate on the wheel. Is your vehicle keyless?
Yes like you say you could probably put your hands round the back but it’s very difficult to drive, steer, change gear, use the clutch and accelerate all at once with a Disklok on.
You have got to take all factors into consideration, would a thief have the key, how they plan to steal, do they have the tools and then ask yourself the question would you rather have a Disklok on the vehicle or not.
So the question is whether I keep it as a deterrent, because it doesn't seem like it's got the same level of protection like older cars would have.The Disklok is designed to be used with the steering lock on and rotate on the wheel. Is your vehicle keyless?
Yes like you say you could probably put your hands round the back but it’s very difficult to drive, steer, change gear, use the clutch and accelerate all at once with a Disklok on.
You have got to take all factors into consideration, would a thief have the key, how they plan to steal, do they have the tools and then ask yourself the question would you rather have a Disklok on the vehicle or not.
Edited by PhilUK on Monday 27th June 14:06
All that jazz said:
PhilUK said:
I guarantee that I can spin the thing all the way round while sitting in the car. I do have to move my knees out of the way yea, but it can be done. If you move the seat back it's even easier. It doesn't matter anyway as you just release the steering wheel behind it and move the lock back again. If you drive slowly you can get away with it. They've only gotta get down the road or into a big enough van where they can have privacy to hacksaw it off.
The window is not close enough to provide the resistance needed.
People say you can buy dummy ports. If you hide the actual port in the wiring and have thief dummy attached to where the real one should be, the idea is to trick the thief.
So what is your point and what exactly are you wanting advice on? You seem to have all the answers already and have decided that the Disklok is not fit for purpose. Surely the best thing to do then would be return it for a refund and find something better rather than continuing to bleat on about how bad it is?The window is not close enough to provide the resistance needed.
People say you can buy dummy ports. If you hide the actual port in the wiring and have thief dummy attached to where the real one should be, the idea is to trick the thief.
Its supposed to be a deterrent rather than a guaranteed anti theft device.
If somebody wants your car badly enough, they are going to get it.
All that jazz said:
So what is your point and what exactly are you wanting advice on? You seem to have all the answers already and have decided that the Disklok is not fit for purpose. Surely the best thing to do then would be return it for a refund and find something better rather than continuing to bleat on about how bad it is?
Look, I came here to ask if I was doing something wrong with it. I had no answers, I still have no answers. Through the process of discussion people have informed me that I'm not doing anything wrong, and that maybe the product is obsolete with my model. I came here with no answers, just questions about the observation I've had. Me and my colleague were sitting in my new ST with the lock on and he realised that you could just spin the whole thing round and move the car with it on. It wasn't even me.I really don't think you're adding anything to this discussion except negativity. Everyone else is just asking questions, making a few jokes at my expense (that's fine!) and being civil. In fact, it's others who told me that it's not the right product, not me! I'm not bleating on about anything; I'm being objective, answering peoples questions and giving my experience.
All I'm trying to figure out now is whether I should keep it as it might be the biggest deterrent regardless, or get one of the products that people who are genuinely trying to help me have recommended to me.
I hope that clears everything up for you. Now if there isn't anything else, I hope we can move on.
giger said:
I also say take it back and swap for Stoplock Pro. Fantastic sturdy bit of kit, and there's no way you can turn the wheel much either with or without the steering lock on.
djdest said:
A hacksaw would have that off in under a minute, just cut the steering wheel either side of it.
I don't see that as much of a deterrent at all TBH
Did you read the test of that device? It took their security specialist more than five minutes to remove, and that was using power tools. So I doubt "a hacksaw would have that off in under a minute."I don't see that as much of a deterrent at all TBH
As for the Op, I would imagine that car thieves know about the weaknesses of your Disklok - they are usually the first to work these things as out. If I were in your shoes, I would return it to where you bought it from saying it is unfit for purpose and get the one in the link instead.
A workmate had his mk3 ST stolen, although I'm not sure if they bypassed the keyless start system or stole the keys from his house. Either way, the car that he replaced it with had another aftermarket alarm system fitted which he seems pleased with. It's one of those that bleeps a warning if you get too close. Still only a deterrent, but I guess if it makes the thieves wander off down the road to find an easier target, then its done its job.
Vroom101 said:
Did you read the test of that device? It took their security specialist more than five minutes to remove, and that was using power tools. So I doubt "a hacksaw would have that off in under a minute."
I think he is saying that in reality, they wouldn't even try to attack the lock. They would literally cut the steering wheel on either side of the lock.PhilUK said:
All that jazz said:
So what is your point and what exactly are you wanting advice on? You seem to have all the answers already and have decided that the Disklok is not fit for purpose. Surely the best thing to do then would be return it for a refund and find something better rather than continuing to bleat on about how bad it is?
Look, I came here to ask if I was doing something wrong with it. I had no answers, I still have no answers. Through the process of discussion people have informed me that I'm not doing anything wrong, and that maybe the product is obsolete with my model. I came here with no answers, just questions about the observation I've had. Me and my colleague were sitting in my new ST with the lock on and he realised that you could just spin the whole thing round and move the car with it on. It wasn't even me.I really don't think you're adding anything to this discussion except negativity. Everyone else is just asking questions, making a few jokes at my expense (that's fine!) and being civil. In fact, it's others who told me that it's not the right product, not me! I'm not bleating on about anything; I'm being objective, answering peoples questions and giving my experience.
All I'm trying to figure out now is whether I should keep it as it might be the biggest deterrent regardless, or get one of the products that people who are genuinely trying to help me have recommended to me.
I hope that clears everything up for you. Now if there isn't anything else, I hope we can move on.
How many more times? There is nothing wrong with the Disklok. It is doing exactly what it's designed to do. You can argue all day about how it's flawed because of electronic key fobs disabling the steering lock and how you can disjoint your limbs so you can still drive it down the road with it on. The fact of the matter is that no single system is going to 100% secure your car. If they really wanted it they could hire a hiab crane truck and lift it straight off your driveway and be gone in about 5 mins without even touching the car. Would that be the fault of the Disklok design too?
The OBD ports on the STs are a well known weak point so it's been generally accepted amongst the owners that the Disklok is the best deterrent to prevent theft. No opportunist thief is going to risk exposing themselves in the time it will take them to remove it, they will simply move on to the next car without one and for that reason it's worth the £100 price tag.
Edited by All that jazz on Monday 27th June 14:37
All that jazz said:
..SIGH
I'm not saying there's is anything wrong with it, I'm saying it is OBSOLETE with my car, which it is. That it doesn't work as effectively with this model as it does with other cars, which it doesn't. They don't have to remove it, they can just drive down the road with it, even Disklok have stated this in the email they replied to.Just stop now, you're an obvious troll and I refuse to reply to trolls. Bye!
V6Alfisti said:
I think he is saying that in reality, they wouldn't even try to attack the lock. They would literally cut the steering wheel on either side of the lock.
Or just drive off down the road with it!Edited by PhilUK on Monday 27th June 15:09
PhilUK said:
I'm not saying there's is anything wrong with it, I'm saying it is OBSOLETE with my car, which it is. That it doesn't work as effectively with this model as it does with other cars, which it doesn't. They don't have to remove it, they can just drive down the road with it, even Disklok have stated this in the email they replied to.
Just stop now, you're an obvious troll and I refuse to reply to trolls. Bye!
Disklok said the same sort of thing, are they trolls too?Just stop now, you're an obvious troll and I refuse to reply to trolls. Bye!
Edited by PhilUK on Monday 27th June 15:01
RemyMartin said:
Disklok said the same sort of thing, are they trolls too?
Nope, they were respectful and didn't try to start an argument. The question over the suitability of the product is not the issue, people can disagree, it's the way some people speak to other people. They agreed that you could grab the wheel behind the lock. You can drive with it on, people have testified to this and I've also done it myself. It also seems that the rep didn't have experience with this vehicle.
Anyway, this is beyond the point. I bought the item because it was represented as one that could stop someone from driving off with my car, it doesn't work like that with my car and is therefore not a suitable product for what I want.
Edited by PhilUK on Monday 27th June 15:19
PhilUK said:
Nope, they were respectful and didn't try to flame an argument. Plus they agreed that you could grab the wheel behind the lock. You can drive with it on, people have testified to this and I've also done it myself. It also seems that the rep didn't have experience with this vehicle.
Anyway, this is beyond the point. I bought the item because it was represented as one that could stop someone from driving off with my car, it doesn't work like that with my car and is therefore not a suitable product for what I want.
Thanks for your help everyone, I'll have a look into the alternatives.
get a bulldog wheel clamp, at least for home. Work a treat.Anyway, this is beyond the point. I bought the item because it was represented as one that could stop someone from driving off with my car, it doesn't work like that with my car and is therefore not a suitable product for what I want.
Thanks for your help everyone, I'll have a look into the alternatives.
Edited by PhilUK on Monday 27th June 15:12
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