Would you change your Ref vote if you could go back time?
Poll: Would you change your Ref vote if you could go back time?
Total Members Polled: 819
Discussion
romeogolf said:
My partner's brother in law voted leave and later said he'd vote remain if he had the chance. He didn't understand what he was really voting for and thought it was just to 'get rid of immigrants'. Only afterwards when we had the news on did he realise what was actually happening.
It's for reasons such as this that I think we should never have had a referendum, way too important a subject to leave to people who haven't a clue to decide.Zippee said:
It's for reasons such as this that I think we should never have had a referendum, way too important a subject to leave to people who haven't a clue to decide.
And yet the same method is used to choose MPs!So I think I spot a flaw in your plan unless you mean you should be one of those making the decisions while those you deem unworthy are blocked out. Maybe you can follow the South African model as they had a similar idea?
ash73 said:
Eric Mc said:
Or maybe the time in the lead up to the referendum should have been spent educating people rather than engaging in facile and downright imbecilic argument.
Hear, hearRemain realised this and stopped but there was no time to create and entire new positive strategy and campaign plan with just a few weeks before the referendum.
Lesson is that just scaring people isn't enough. The kids storey about the wind and the sun having a contest to get the traveller to take off his cloak comes to mind.
Jonesy23 said:
Zippee said:
It's for reasons such as this that I think we should never have had a referendum, way too important a subject to leave to people who haven't a clue to decide.
And yet the same method is used to choose MPs!So I think I spot a flaw in your plan unless you mean you should be one of those making the decisions while those you deem unworthy are blocked out. Maybe you can follow the South African model as they had a similar idea?
but we *do* get another chance to choose the correct result every 5 years for them !
Eric Mc said:
Or maybe the time in the lead up to the referendum should have been spent educating people rather than engaging in facile and downright imbecilic argument.
The thing that struck me was, like the Scotland question and virtually everything else politicians deal with, is that it's more concerned with slinging mud at the other side than advancing good reasons for their decisions. This is evident across the dispatch box every PMQs, it's like a zoo.The exit plan black-hole was obvious, yet not many intelligent journalists, commentators, voters or even politicians made much noise about it.
I think because they feel, and are probably correct, that most votes are cast for visceral reasons rather than logical ones, so they hijack the tabloids, ramp up the hysteria and watch the votes pour in.
I've seen the blame being passed around between the EU, the government, the extremists on both sides and the press, but I believe the fault lies firmly and squarely at the feet of the electorate for always voting for a class of people that continually demonstrate they are fairly useless at their jobs (managing a country) and only plan as far as the next election.
Timmy40 said:
I'm afraid I'm in agreement with Mervyn King that in his bid to make up ever more scary stories Osborne over egged it and the stories just became too dire to be believeable.
Remain realised this and stopped but there was no time to create and entire new positive strategy and campaign plan with just a few weeks before the referendum.
Lesson is that just scaring people isn't enough. The kids storey about the wind and the sun having a contest to get the traveller to take off his cloak comes to mind.
I wasn't allocating any blame for this to one side or the other. BOTH sides have been to blame in this regard.Remain realised this and stopped but there was no time to create and entire new positive strategy and campaign plan with just a few weeks before the referendum.
Lesson is that just scaring people isn't enough. The kids storey about the wind and the sun having a contest to get the traveller to take off his cloak comes to mind.
We all know that there are negative aspects to the EU but the positive aspects were never really championed with any passion or enthusiasm.
And, what's more, this came on top of pretty much 30 years of consistent misinformation meted out to the British public about the EU (and its predecessors).
Zippee said:
romeogolf said:
My partner's brother in law voted leave and later said he'd vote remain if he had the chance. He didn't understand what he was really voting for and thought it was just to 'get rid of immigrants'. Only afterwards when we had the news on did he realise what was actually happening.
It's for reasons such as this that I think we should never have had a referendum, way too important a subject to leave to people who haven't a clue to decide.It sounds like the guy above voted based on the ridiculous campaigning that was taking place (on both sides). That is how many people vote. Most people voted with good intentions for what they believed was best for their country, as explained by people "in the know".
Surely the politicians wouldn't be allowed to broadcast blatant lies just to achieve their goals? Oh... they would? Then we're fked!
romeogolf said:
A colleague has just said she voted "leave" because her niece's school won't have a Christmas tree because it might offend non-Christians.
Other than the fact that I call bullst on the tree issue, it worries me that this is what people voted for.
And a women at work voted remain because she thought she would not be able to go on holiday to Spain and she did want boris to be pm Other than the fact that I call bullst on the tree issue, it worries me that this is what people voted for.
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