It Is Time For Us All To Take Responsibility For Our Future.
Discussion
I've always been fairly interested in history and politics but like many, the In/Out EU Referendum has really drawn me in and re-ignited a deep interest and concern that I haven't felt for many years. We really are witnessing history being forged right in front of us!
Having watched much of the news, read a number of articles and viewed much of the forum threads here on PistonHeads it occurred to me quite quickly that a major piece of the democratic process is missing for many of us, that is the direct contact with our own political representatives.
The time has come for us all to take responsibility for our own future. Regardless of which way you voted we were all misled, coerced and bullied by the very politicians who are supposed to represent the British electorate but are clearly far, far beyond being out of touch!
If we now sit back and let these same people go on to negotiate our future with Europe and the rest of the world, they will simply continue to misrepresent the British people and act to satisfy their own ends. Don't let the media speak for you either, they have very little interest in your future, unless it means selling you a paper! Speak for yourself!
Social media, internet forums, tea-break debates and pub/café discussions are all fantastic platforms for thrashing out the issues that really matter to us all individually and as a nation. Just remember though, it's unlikely that you're friends with David Cameron on Facebook. Chances are, Boris Johnson doesn't follow your twitter feed and Jeremy Corbyn probably isn't viewing this internet forum.
The answer is simple though, make your own voice heard! Contact your local MP, contact the government, contact the Prime Minister (he's still accountable), Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and whoever else you can think of that should be representing the British electorate. Write a letter, make a phone call, speak with them at a local MPs surgery.
For too long voter apathy has given our political elite free reign over our day to day lives and our future. If you don't make yourself heard now you run the risk of never being heard again! Don't delay, speak out today. We won't all agree, there will be opposing points of view, we won't all get what we want but that's democracy. There's no guarantee that you'll be listened to but that will only be certain if you don't speak up in the first place.
Leaving the EU won't be pain free and probably feels like a terrible decision for many people right now, but it doesn't have to be. We all have an opportunity and an obligation to come together and shape the future of our nation and in turn the rest of the world!
Be bold, be positive and be strong. Be tolerant, be accepting and be humble.
Divided we will descend into chaos, together we can rise above and beyond.
Having watched much of the news, read a number of articles and viewed much of the forum threads here on PistonHeads it occurred to me quite quickly that a major piece of the democratic process is missing for many of us, that is the direct contact with our own political representatives.
The time has come for us all to take responsibility for our own future. Regardless of which way you voted we were all misled, coerced and bullied by the very politicians who are supposed to represent the British electorate but are clearly far, far beyond being out of touch!
If we now sit back and let these same people go on to negotiate our future with Europe and the rest of the world, they will simply continue to misrepresent the British people and act to satisfy their own ends. Don't let the media speak for you either, they have very little interest in your future, unless it means selling you a paper! Speak for yourself!
Social media, internet forums, tea-break debates and pub/café discussions are all fantastic platforms for thrashing out the issues that really matter to us all individually and as a nation. Just remember though, it's unlikely that you're friends with David Cameron on Facebook. Chances are, Boris Johnson doesn't follow your twitter feed and Jeremy Corbyn probably isn't viewing this internet forum.
The answer is simple though, make your own voice heard! Contact your local MP, contact the government, contact the Prime Minister (he's still accountable), Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and whoever else you can think of that should be representing the British electorate. Write a letter, make a phone call, speak with them at a local MPs surgery.
For too long voter apathy has given our political elite free reign over our day to day lives and our future. If you don't make yourself heard now you run the risk of never being heard again! Don't delay, speak out today. We won't all agree, there will be opposing points of view, we won't all get what we want but that's democracy. There's no guarantee that you'll be listened to but that will only be certain if you don't speak up in the first place.
Leaving the EU won't be pain free and probably feels like a terrible decision for many people right now, but it doesn't have to be. We all have an opportunity and an obligation to come together and shape the future of our nation and in turn the rest of the world!
Be bold, be positive and be strong. Be tolerant, be accepting and be humble.
Divided we will descend into chaos, together we can rise above and beyond.
Edited by Banana Boy on Monday 27th June 22:34
Banana Boy said:
I've always been fairly interested in history and politics but like many, the In/Out EU Referendum has really drawn me in and re-ignited a deep interest and concern that I haven't felt for many years. We really are witnessing history be forged right in front of us!
Having watched much of the news, read a number of articles and viewed much of the forum threads here on PistonHeads it occurred to me quite quickly that a major piece of the democratic process is missing for many of us, that is the direct contact with our own political representatives.
The time has come for us all to take responsibility for our own future. Regardless of which way you voted we were all misled, coerced and bullied by the very politicians who are supposed to represent the British electorate but are clearly far, far beyond being out of touch!
If we now sit back and let these same people go on to negotiate our future with Europe and the rest of the world, they will simply continue to misrepresent the British people and act to satisfy their own ends. Don't let the media speak for you either, they have very little interest in your future, unless it means selling you a paper! Speak for yourself!
Social media, internet forums, tea-break debates and pub/café discussions are all fantastic platforms for thrashing out the issues that really matter to us all individually and as a nation. Just remember though, it's unlikely that you're friends with David Cameron on Facebook. Chances are, Boris Johnson doesn't follow your twitter feed and Jeremy Corbyn probably isn't viewing this internet forum.
The answer is simple though, make your own voice heard! Contact your local MP, contact the government, contact the Prime Minister (he's still accountable), Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and whoever else you can think of that should be representing the British electorate. Write a letter, make a phone call, speak with them at a local MPs surgery.
For too long voter apathy has given our political elite free reign over our day to day lives and our future. If you don't make yourself heard now you run the risk of never being heard again! Don't delay, speak out today. We won't all agree, there will be opposing points of view, we won't all get what we want but that's democracy. There's no guarantee that you'll be listened to but that will only be certain if you don't speak up in the first place.
Leaving the EU won't be pain free and probably feels like a terrible decision for many people right now, but it doesn't have to be. We all have an opportunity and an obligation to come together and shape the future of our nation and in turn the rest of the world!
Be bold, be positive and be strong. Be tolerant, be accepting and be humble.
Divided we will descend into chaos, together we can rise above and beyond.
Very well said.Having watched much of the news, read a number of articles and viewed much of the forum threads here on PistonHeads it occurred to me quite quickly that a major piece of the democratic process is missing for many of us, that is the direct contact with our own political representatives.
The time has come for us all to take responsibility for our own future. Regardless of which way you voted we were all misled, coerced and bullied by the very politicians who are supposed to represent the British electorate but are clearly far, far beyond being out of touch!
If we now sit back and let these same people go on to negotiate our future with Europe and the rest of the world, they will simply continue to misrepresent the British people and act to satisfy their own ends. Don't let the media speak for you either, they have very little interest in your future, unless it means selling you a paper! Speak for yourself!
Social media, internet forums, tea-break debates and pub/café discussions are all fantastic platforms for thrashing out the issues that really matter to us all individually and as a nation. Just remember though, it's unlikely that you're friends with David Cameron on Facebook. Chances are, Boris Johnson doesn't follow your twitter feed and Jeremy Corbyn probably isn't viewing this internet forum.
The answer is simple though, make your own voice heard! Contact your local MP, contact the government, contact the Prime Minister (he's still accountable), Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and whoever else you can think of that should be representing the British electorate. Write a letter, make a phone call, speak with them at a local MPs surgery.
For too long voter apathy has given our political elite free reign over our day to day lives and our future. If you don't make yourself heard now you run the risk of never being heard again! Don't delay, speak out today. We won't all agree, there will be opposing points of view, we won't all get what we want but that's democracy. There's no guarantee that you'll be listened to but that will only be certain if you don't speak up in the first place.
Leaving the EU won't be pain free and probably feels like a terrible decision for many people right now, but it doesn't have to be. We all have an opportunity and an obligation to come together and shape the future of our nation and in turn the rest of the world!
Be bold, be positive and be strong. Be tolerant, be accepting and be humble.
Divided we will descend into chaos, together we can rise above and beyond.
I applaud you for the attempt lad, but I'm struggling to wade through the short term butt hurt negativity that is filling the board at the moment. Get back to me when they've decided, like the sane amongst us, to just get on and do the best we can with an admittedly challenging situation.
Nice starting comment and your interest in politics and history.
What still surprises me the low interest by young people and some of their comments regarding not understanding any political subject.It proved the point in the referendum how few voted and turned up at the ballot box.
Politics it supposed to be about all the people of a nation and listen to their problems.We are in a very turbulent era in the UK.The divisions could mean a break up of this Island.
This is just my opinion having seen so many crises before.WW1 never a war after that one.Not long after WW2 and all the destruction and misery.The human race has a remarkable tendency to self detruction.
What still surprises me the low interest by young people and some of their comments regarding not understanding any political subject.It proved the point in the referendum how few voted and turned up at the ballot box.
Politics it supposed to be about all the people of a nation and listen to their problems.We are in a very turbulent era in the UK.The divisions could mean a break up of this Island.
This is just my opinion having seen so many crises before.WW1 never a war after that one.Not long after WW2 and all the destruction and misery.The human race has a remarkable tendency to self detruction.
don4l said:
Very well said.
Thank you, I've been mulling it over for a day or so, along with letters to various politicians etc.Einion Yrth said:
I applaud you for the attempt lad, but I'm struggling to wade through the short term butt hurt negativity that is filling the board at the moment. Get back to me when they've decided, like the sane amongst us, to just get on and do the best we can with an admittedly challenging situation.
Turning a negative into a positive is one of life's biggest challenges, nothing is impossible or pre-determined! pim said:
Nice starting comment and your interest in politics and history.
What still surprises me the low interest by young people and some of their comments regarding not understanding any political subject.It proved the point in the referendum how few voted and turned up at the ballot box.
Politics it supposed to be about all the people of a nation and listen to their problems.We are in a very turbulent era in the UK.The divisions could mean a break up of this Island.
This is just my opinion having seen so many crises before.WW1 never a war after that one.Not long after WW2 and all the destruction and misery.The human race has a remarkable tendency to self detruction.
It also surprises and baffles me how politically vocal the current 'young' generation are yet as you say, how few actually made it to the voting booths?! What still surprises me the low interest by young people and some of their comments regarding not understanding any political subject.It proved the point in the referendum how few voted and turned up at the ballot box.
Politics it supposed to be about all the people of a nation and listen to their problems.We are in a very turbulent era in the UK.The divisions could mean a break up of this Island.
This is just my opinion having seen so many crises before.WW1 never a war after that one.Not long after WW2 and all the destruction and misery.The human race has a remarkable tendency to self detruction.
My initial interest in British politics came in 1997 during Tony Blair's election, being only 16 I wasn't eligible to vote but it was a hot topic amongst my friends and since turning 18 I've voted at every given opportunity. Even when I've not felt represented, I still went and struck a line across the ballot paper in protest!
Equally, I know people who 'don't vote' (my wife included until this very referendum!) for various reasons - I sincerely hope that many of the 28% reconsider their position in order to engage with their own futures!
Yes would be good to have a thread which looks to what is going to happen, and it seems to be happening regardless. The four (!) presidents in the EU released a joint press release here:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/the-president/en/pre...
Selected quotes:
"In a free and democratic process, the British people have expressed their wish to leave the European Union. We regret this decision but respect it....
We now expect the United Kingdom government to give effect to this decision of the British people as soon as possible, however painful that process may be. Any delay would unnecessarily prolong uncertainty. We have rules to deal with this in an orderly way. Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union sets out the procedure to be followed if a Member State decides to leave the European Union. We stand ready to launch negotiations swiftly with the United Kingdom regarding the terms and conditions of its withdrawal from the European Union. Until this process of negotiations is over, the United Kingdom remains a member of the European Union, with all the rights and obligations that derive from this. According to the Treaties which the United Kingdom has ratified, EU law continues to apply to the full to and in the United Kingdom until it is no longer a Member.
As agreed, the “New Settlement for the United Kingdom within the European Union”, reached at the European Council on 18-19 February 2016, will now not take effect and ceases to exist. There will be no renegotiation...."
So it seems the EU accept it and want to look forward. This sentence is also interesting:
"....As regards the United Kingdom, we hope to have it as a close partner of the European Union also in the future....”
I get the impression they have already considered our brexit decision, and the "close partner" sounds interesting. Might there be an open palm to make the divorce easy, swift and relatively painless???
Tomorrow they have arranged an extraordinary meeting of EP presidents to discuss the result.
Beforehand the EU President (no, not the President of the European Parliament, the president of the Council of the EU, or the President of the European Commission but the President of the European Council) is also meeting with the Italian PM and he Greek PM, who both want more from the EU. Their demands might make tomorrow interesting. Italy Referendum announcement anyone??? Even easier terms for us if we hurry up and go??
Politics has suddenly got fascinating
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/the-president/en/pre...
Selected quotes:
"In a free and democratic process, the British people have expressed their wish to leave the European Union. We regret this decision but respect it....
We now expect the United Kingdom government to give effect to this decision of the British people as soon as possible, however painful that process may be. Any delay would unnecessarily prolong uncertainty. We have rules to deal with this in an orderly way. Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union sets out the procedure to be followed if a Member State decides to leave the European Union. We stand ready to launch negotiations swiftly with the United Kingdom regarding the terms and conditions of its withdrawal from the European Union. Until this process of negotiations is over, the United Kingdom remains a member of the European Union, with all the rights and obligations that derive from this. According to the Treaties which the United Kingdom has ratified, EU law continues to apply to the full to and in the United Kingdom until it is no longer a Member.
As agreed, the “New Settlement for the United Kingdom within the European Union”, reached at the European Council on 18-19 February 2016, will now not take effect and ceases to exist. There will be no renegotiation...."
So it seems the EU accept it and want to look forward. This sentence is also interesting:
"....As regards the United Kingdom, we hope to have it as a close partner of the European Union also in the future....”
I get the impression they have already considered our brexit decision, and the "close partner" sounds interesting. Might there be an open palm to make the divorce easy, swift and relatively painless???
Tomorrow they have arranged an extraordinary meeting of EP presidents to discuss the result.
Beforehand the EU President (no, not the President of the European Parliament, the president of the Council of the EU, or the President of the European Commission but the President of the European Council) is also meeting with the Italian PM and he Greek PM, who both want more from the EU. Their demands might make tomorrow interesting. Italy Referendum announcement anyone??? Even easier terms for us if we hurry up and go??
Politics has suddenly got fascinating
tumble dryer said:
I agree with the opening part of the Opening Poster's post. 
I don't think we're at the end of something, I think we're at the very beginning.
That's as far as my crystal ball goes...
As a guy called Winston once said...I don't think we're at the end of something, I think we're at the very beginning.
That's as far as my crystal ball goes...
This is not the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning.
Rich G said:
As a guy called Winston once said...
This is not the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning.
He also said that a five min chat with the average voter was the best argument against democracy. It's taken a while, but I think CMD has come up with a better one. This is not the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning.
What amazes me is the politicians of all parties are still treating democracy as optional!! for instance Corbyn was won by a huge majoty but no like a overbearing parent asking it's ofspring what it wants from a menu then telling them you won't like that when they make a considered choice, rather than letting them learn ...
williamp said:
...So it seems the EU accept it and want to look forward. This sentence is also interesting:
"....As regards the United Kingdom, we hope to have it as a close partner of the European Union also in the future....”
I get the impression they have already considered our brexit decision, and the "close partner" sounds interesting. Might there be an open palm to make the divorce easy, swift and relatively painless???
Tomorrow they have arranged an extraordinary meeting of EP presidents to discuss the result.
Beforehand the EU President (no, not the President of the European Parliament, the president of the Council of the EU, or the President of the European Commission but the President of the European Council) is also meeting with the Italian PM and he Greek PM, who both want more from the EU. Their demands might make tomorrow interesting. Italy Referendum announcement anyone??? Even easier terms for us if we hurry up and go??
Politics has suddenly got fascinating
Definitely, politics has become incredibly fascinating!"....As regards the United Kingdom, we hope to have it as a close partner of the European Union also in the future....”
I get the impression they have already considered our brexit decision, and the "close partner" sounds interesting. Might there be an open palm to make the divorce easy, swift and relatively painless???
Tomorrow they have arranged an extraordinary meeting of EP presidents to discuss the result.
Beforehand the EU President (no, not the President of the European Parliament, the president of the Council of the EU, or the President of the European Commission but the President of the European Council) is also meeting with the Italian PM and he Greek PM, who both want more from the EU. Their demands might make tomorrow interesting. Italy Referendum announcement anyone??? Even easier terms for us if we hurry up and go??
Politics has suddenly got fascinating
I don't think it was ever going to be an absolute divorce from Europe, more a 'conscious uncouplng' with a view to remaining good friends for the benefit of the children!?
I don't imaging for one second that the process will be swift or painless, there is a lot of face saving going on and the balance will be incredibly delicate. Our politicians are trying to deliver the best deal for us and the EU won't be made to look weak or like the 2nd best option against being independent! They still have their own agendas very much in mind, politically, socially and emotionally we have upset a lot of people. Part of this process must involve building bridges and healing friendships.
It's all very nice in theory, but I've tried it, and frankly, for the vast majority of us, it won't make the blindest bit of difference until we change our electoral system.
My local MP is Chris Grayling. At the last General Election, he had a majority (not percentage of the vote, a majority!) of well over 40%. He could pretty much get caught buggering a goat in the town centre on a Sunday morning and he'd still get re-elected so long as the goat was female! Of course, there are plenty of people in the mirror image boat in safe Labour seats who are equally disenfranchised.
Until such time as we actually have more than two parties to realistically vote for, everyone except for Centrist floating voters is effectively disenfranchised. MPs on both sides of the political spectrum know that they can get away with pretty much ignoring their core support because nobody else is pitching for it.
UKIP showed us what can happen when someone makes a stink about a single issue, but with their single issue now done and dusted, I can't imagine that they're going to do anything other than collapse at the next GE, if, indeed, they even stand, so we're back to red vs that other red pretending to be blue, and until there are two parties representing the left and two representing the right to force them to actually offer something to the core voters, all the letter-writing in the world won't get us anywhere.
I realise that this would result in a lot more hung parliaments, but that's a price worth paying to my mind, as at the moment, I feel as though I have absolutely no voice in parliament, no matter how often I contact my MP.
My local MP is Chris Grayling. At the last General Election, he had a majority (not percentage of the vote, a majority!) of well over 40%. He could pretty much get caught buggering a goat in the town centre on a Sunday morning and he'd still get re-elected so long as the goat was female! Of course, there are plenty of people in the mirror image boat in safe Labour seats who are equally disenfranchised.
Until such time as we actually have more than two parties to realistically vote for, everyone except for Centrist floating voters is effectively disenfranchised. MPs on both sides of the political spectrum know that they can get away with pretty much ignoring their core support because nobody else is pitching for it.
UKIP showed us what can happen when someone makes a stink about a single issue, but with their single issue now done and dusted, I can't imagine that they're going to do anything other than collapse at the next GE, if, indeed, they even stand, so we're back to red vs that other red pretending to be blue, and until there are two parties representing the left and two representing the right to force them to actually offer something to the core voters, all the letter-writing in the world won't get us anywhere.
I realise that this would result in a lot more hung parliaments, but that's a price worth paying to my mind, as at the moment, I feel as though I have absolutely no voice in parliament, no matter how often I contact my MP.
Banana Boy said:
It also surprises and baffles me how politically vocal the current 'young' generation are yet as you say, how few actually made it to the voting booths?!
It's in the nature of youth to protest and object, one of the great things about not being responsible for running things (yet) is that you can be vocal with impunity. I'm not sure that's the same as holding an actual view or feeling like an participant though which is where the voting part comes in.
The problem is that everyone is pulling in different directions.
Some voted out because they believe the UK can stand on its own two feet and economically doesn't need Europe.
Some voted out because they think the payments we make to the EU will be instantly available to spend on their pet project within the UK.
Some voted out because they believe the EU wants to assimilate us.
Some voted out because they don't want foreigners to live here.
Some voted out because they don't like Cameron/Merkel etc
Some voted in because whilst the EU has downsides they perceive the stability of the economy and trade more important.
Some voted in because they were quite happy with the status quo and saw no reason to cause chaos.
Some voted in because they don't like Farage/Johnson/Gove
Some voted in because they like the freedom of movement across borders.
Some voted in because they want to be part of a larger society.
Look at the threads here, the exiters are arguing we don't need trade deals and that the European economy needs us more than we need them. Remainders are arguing that we haven't even seen the start of the economic impact yet and trade deals (which will be hard to negotiate) are essential.
And Boris is off playing cricket.
Until people with opposing polarised views can somehow meet in the middle there is no chance of people taking collective responsibility to get us out of this mess - including the politicians who are all doing their best not to be left holding the baby.
It's a complete f
king mess caused by poor campaigns on both sides, the personalities involved and the ignorance/lack of understanding of the voting electorate.
Some voted out because they believe the UK can stand on its own two feet and economically doesn't need Europe.
Some voted out because they think the payments we make to the EU will be instantly available to spend on their pet project within the UK.
Some voted out because they believe the EU wants to assimilate us.
Some voted out because they don't want foreigners to live here.
Some voted out because they don't like Cameron/Merkel etc
Some voted in because whilst the EU has downsides they perceive the stability of the economy and trade more important.
Some voted in because they were quite happy with the status quo and saw no reason to cause chaos.
Some voted in because they don't like Farage/Johnson/Gove
Some voted in because they like the freedom of movement across borders.
Some voted in because they want to be part of a larger society.
Look at the threads here, the exiters are arguing we don't need trade deals and that the European economy needs us more than we need them. Remainders are arguing that we haven't even seen the start of the economic impact yet and trade deals (which will be hard to negotiate) are essential.
And Boris is off playing cricket.
Until people with opposing polarised views can somehow meet in the middle there is no chance of people taking collective responsibility to get us out of this mess - including the politicians who are all doing their best not to be left holding the baby.
It's a complete f
king mess caused by poor campaigns on both sides, the personalities involved and the ignorance/lack of understanding of the voting electorate.Crafty_ said:
The problem is that everyone is pulling in different directions.
Some voted out because they believe the UK can stand on its own two feet and economically doesn't need Europe.
Some voted out because they think the payments we make to the EU will be instantly available to spend on their pet project within the UK.
Some voted out because they believe the EU wants to assimilate us.
Some voted out because they don't want foreigners to live here.
Some voted out because they don't like Cameron/Merkel etc
Some voted in because whilst the EU has downsides they perceive the stability of the economy and trade more important.
Some voted in because they were quite happy with the status quo and saw no reason to cause chaos.
Some voted in because they don't like Farage/Johnson/Gove
Some voted in because they like the freedom of movement across borders.
Some voted in because they want to be part of a larger society.
Look at the threads here, the exiters are arguing we don't need trade deals and that the European economy needs us more than we need them. Remainders are arguing that we haven't even seen the start of the economic impact yet and trade deals (which will be hard to negotiate) are essential.
And Boris is off playing cricket.
Until people with opposing polarised views can somehow meet in the middle there is no chance of people taking collective responsibility to get us out of this mess - including the politicians who are all doing their best not to be left holding the baby.
It's a complete fking mess caused by poor campaigns on both sides, the personalities involved and the ignorance/lack of understanding of the voting electorate.
Spot on. Some voted out because they believe the UK can stand on its own two feet and economically doesn't need Europe.
Some voted out because they think the payments we make to the EU will be instantly available to spend on their pet project within the UK.
Some voted out because they believe the EU wants to assimilate us.
Some voted out because they don't want foreigners to live here.
Some voted out because they don't like Cameron/Merkel etc
Some voted in because whilst the EU has downsides they perceive the stability of the economy and trade more important.
Some voted in because they were quite happy with the status quo and saw no reason to cause chaos.
Some voted in because they don't like Farage/Johnson/Gove
Some voted in because they like the freedom of movement across borders.
Some voted in because they want to be part of a larger society.
Look at the threads here, the exiters are arguing we don't need trade deals and that the European economy needs us more than we need them. Remainders are arguing that we haven't even seen the start of the economic impact yet and trade deals (which will be hard to negotiate) are essential.
And Boris is off playing cricket.
Until people with opposing polarised views can somehow meet in the middle there is no chance of people taking collective responsibility to get us out of this mess - including the politicians who are all doing their best not to be left holding the baby.
It's a complete f
king mess caused by poor campaigns on both sides, the personalities involved and the ignorance/lack of understanding of the voting electorate.Kermit power said:
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kurt535 said:
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A thread attempting to be positive...and two of probably five people I knew would be on it like a rat up a drainpipe don't let me down. Who said the world is in turmoil - with you guys around everyone knows exactly what they'll get. Thank you for confirming my faith in humanity and bring consistency to proceedings 
Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
The problem is that, unlike the states and much of Europe, we're not a inclusive and flat society, we have this class issue, which is our cross to bare and its not going anywhere. The vast.majority of people are disillusioned, disenfranchised and desperately cynical of our system of government and our democracy.
It can't be fixed.
The problem is that, unlike the states and much of Europe, we're not a inclusive and flat society, we have this class issue, which is our cross to bare and its not going anywhere. The vast.majority of people are disillusioned, disenfranchised and desperately cynical of our system of government and our democracy.
It can't be fixed.
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