Car towed away then returned all caught on CCTV Scam ?

Car towed away then returned all caught on CCTV Scam ?

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PostHeads123

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1,042 posts

135 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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A relative in the Warrington area woke up to find her car had gone it was a 2002 Ford KA she believed it had stolen so reported it to police, she then goes to work and when she returns the car is back !!! The car park has gates and CCTV on and today we managed to get hold of the CCTV and we can see the car was towed away behind a black Mitsubishi Warrior it was returned 8hrs later and they take another Black KA from the car park. From the CCTV we can see a person in the KA steering it but the car had no broken windows so they managed to get into the car itself, unfortunately the CCTV didn't capture the reg plate, I recon they made a mistake and took wrong car but they could of easily checked the plate so not sure if its a scam, even if it was a mistake its bad they did it and didn't even own up to it ... ? The owner of the car depends on to get to work and back and was very upset and now even more so she knows someone was in the car, they disconnected the battery so now she needs radio recoded, also her insurance company increased there premium even though the car was not stolen in the end.

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Weird, repossession maybe?

graham22

3,295 posts

205 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Can the owner of the 'other black ka' be contacted.

Might be a case of friends/garage helping tow away a broken down car for repair & simply taking the wrong (but very similar) car in the process?

Ford keys used to be known for their inter-changeability, not sure if the same on that era, also if not trying to start (because broken down) immobilisor wouldn't have been effective.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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PostHeads123 said:
they disconnected the battery so now she needs radio recoded
TBF, not having the code is her problem. Sooner or later, it'd have become an issue the first time the battery was disconnected for any servicing.

Mr Happy

5,695 posts

220 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
PostHeads123 said:
they disconnected the battery so now she needs radio recoded
TBF, not having the code is her problem. Sooner or later, it'd have become an issue the first time the battery was disconnected for any servicing.
You're a delightful chap.

OP: See if you can get the serial number from the radio and post it up, I'll provide the code FOC.

AJXX1

334 posts

119 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
TBF, not having the code is her problem. Sooner or later, it'd have become an issue the first time the battery was disconnected for any servicing.
Maybe so, but it wasn't "sooner or later" - it was caused by someone else's direct action.

It's a bit like me chucking a brick through your window and then using the defence "it was bound to happen sooner or later"...

Liquid Tuna

1,400 posts

156 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
PostHeads123 said:
they disconnected the battery so now she needs radio recoded
TBF, not having the code is her problem. Sooner or later, it'd have become an issue the first time the battery was disconnected for any servicing.
If I'm reading your post correctly, it's one of THE most bizarre responses I've seen on PH and I've been here long enough to see some odd posts by some very odd people! Someone takes her car and now the aftermath is somehow her fault?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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AJXX1 said:
It's a bit like me chucking a brick through your window and then using the defence "it was bound to happen sooner or later"...
No, not really, because window glass isn't a consumable, and routine servicing doesn't include smashing it.

sim72

4,945 posts

134 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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AJXX1 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
TBF, not having the code is her problem. Sooner or later, it'd have become an issue the first time the battery was disconnected for any servicing.
Maybe so, but it wasn't "sooner or later" - it was caused by someone else's direct action.

It's a bit like me chucking a brick through your window and then using the defence "it was bound to happen sooner or later"...
Yes, ridiculous comment, because if it's the original radio, many cars will cope with removal of battery power without requiring the code. If it's an aftermarket one, it probably will.

NiceCupOfTea

25,288 posts

251 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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I've not used a garage that didn't use one of those radio code retainers for years.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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NiceCupOfTea said:
I've not used a garage that didn't use one of those radio code retainers for years.
Which is fine for a battery swap, but doesn't help one bit if there's some work being done that needs the battery disconnected. Like changing the alternator, or - Ka, did you say? - welding...

4Q

3,360 posts

144 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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PostHeads123 said:
A relative in the Warrington area woke up to find her car had gone it was a 2002 Ford KA she believed it had stolen so reported it to police, she then goes to work and when she returns the car is back !!! The car park has gates and CCTV on and today we managed to get hold of the CCTV and we can see the car was towed away behind a black Mitsubishi Warrior it was returned 8hrs later and they take another Black KA from the car park. From the CCTV we can see a person in the KA steering it but the car had no broken windows so they managed to get into the car itself, unfortunately the CCTV didn't capture the reg plate, I recon they made a mistake and took wrong car but they could of easily checked the plate so not sure if its a scam, even if it was a mistake its bad they did it and didn't even own up to it ... ? The owner of the car depends on to get to work and back and was very upset and now even more so she knows someone was in the car, they disconnected the battery so now she needs radio recoded, also her insurance company increased there premium even though the car was not stolen in the end.
Calling bs on this, the insurance company wouldn't put the premium up mid term

rb5er

11,657 posts

172 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
I've not used a garage that didn't use one of those radio code retainers for years.
Which is fine for a battery swap, but doesn't help one bit if there's some work being done that needs the battery disconnected. Like changing the alternator, or - Ka, did you say? - welding...
Are you actually trying to defend your ridiculous post? Suggesting it may one day need work doing requiring the battery being disconnected when actually it also might not. She might want to sell it in a couple of months or the car may never need more than consumables.

Just a ridiculous comment and rather than hold your hands up and admit it was a bit silly I bet you will defend it to the hilt. rolleyes

Buff Mchugelarge

3,316 posts

150 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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You can open a KA with no more than a coat hanger in under 10 seconds.
They're really not the most secure cars.

'Tis all very odd though

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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To be honest I sort of agree (although more diplomatically) - not knowing your radio code will one day come back to bite you, be it routine servicing, battery change etc.

MDMA .

8,894 posts

101 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Since when does anyone disconnect the battery for routine servicing ( oil + filters ) ? Post her reg and i'll get the code from the PDI lad at Ford round the corner. Or just give them a quick call and they will let you know.

Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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In terms of the keys, I recall a mate and I had different Fords (Sierra and Fiesta I think) and our keys opened each other's car. So not at all surprised if it was a case of mistaken identity. Battery disconnect to stop the alarm going off?

Shame there is no way to track down the Mistubishi, unless you call the local baliffs, if it was a repo?

405dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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MDMA . said:
Since when does anyone disconnect the battery for routine servicing ( oil + filters ) ? Post her reg and i'll get the code from the PDI lad at Ford round the corner. Or just give them a quick call and they will let you know.
Some newer vehicles have a hard-reset in their service procedure and/or it's recommended to reset some systems/clear some conditions or get a 'clean' set of diagnostics (there's no power button on a car otherwise?)

It's also standard procedure to disconnect the battery for a number of procedures involving airbags/tensioners/seats/doors as well as for cutting, welding etc. too

Every single service sheet I've ever signed had a disclaimer about radio codes on it - they'd not put it there if it wasn't a likely outcome!?

p.s. the odds of 2 cars in a carpark having the same keys are very small - esp if it's a modern KA (hundreds of variants) but even the late-90s 'slim' keys had dozens...

MDMA .

8,894 posts

101 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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MY04 is the newest car ive had ! Only time ive disconnected the battery is to remove an airbag. Doubt a Ka would need it disconnected for much.

405dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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One thought - is she sure it's the same car she got back?

Returning it HAS to mean they took the wrong car - no-one takes stolen items back for any other reason (e.g. they didn't INTEND to steal it)

Hang on - a Warrior you say? Are you sure they didn't just think it was discarded scrap? Warriors around here clear-up anything left ;0