RE: Jaguar XFR: PH Buying Guide
Discussion
Raven Flyer said:
I can't quite work out why it isn't much faster with that much power on tap.
An RS6 is approx 1 second faster in the dash. That's a huge difference.
There are now diesels, of similar weight, that will embarrass this car out of a toll booth.
More to life than 0-60 times. An RS6 is approx 1 second faster in the dash. That's a huge difference.
There are now diesels, of similar weight, that will embarrass this car out of a toll booth.
The Leaper said:
Walter S,
Your comment about colours is interesting. My XF is Emerald Fire....green to most people. I've had it two years and only seen one in the same colour. On Auto Trader's UK site there's only ever 2-3 for sale in the same colour out of 2000+ XFs. The S-Type and XK was available in a similar colour but again there were not that many of them ordered.
I see far more silver/black/grey/red and now increasingly white XFs than green. I've even had the occasional XF driver ask if mine was a special order colour (or maybe that's because it's the V8 5.0 normally aspirated model of which there's only a few in the UK and was only available to special order anyway).
R.
I should have been a bit clearer in my other post, I did mean other models of Jag as well as the XF.Your comment about colours is interesting. My XF is Emerald Fire....green to most people. I've had it two years and only seen one in the same colour. On Auto Trader's UK site there's only ever 2-3 for sale in the same colour out of 2000+ XFs. The S-Type and XK was available in a similar colour but again there were not that many of them ordered.
I see far more silver/black/grey/red and now increasingly white XFs than green. I've even had the occasional XF driver ask if mine was a special order colour (or maybe that's because it's the V8 5.0 normally aspirated model of which there's only a few in the UK and was only available to special order anyway).
R.
Raven Flyer said:
I can't quite work out why it isn't much faster with that much power on tap.
An RS6 is approx 1 second faster in the dash. That's a huge difference.
There are now diesels, of similar weight, that will embarrass this car out of a toll booth.
Which diesels can I ask?An RS6 is approx 1 second faster in the dash. That's a huge difference.
There are now diesels, of similar weight, that will embarrass this car out of a toll booth.
And yes AWD will be always faster 0-60 then RWD with similar power.
If you want just 0-60 stick with Audi.
Raven Flyer said:
I can't quite work out why it isn't much faster with that much power on tap.
An RS6 is approx 1 second faster in the dash. That's a huge difference.
There are now diesels, of similar weight, that will embarrass this car out of a toll booth.
You can't work out why a car with over 250bhp through each rear tyre might be traction limited in 1st gear?An RS6 is approx 1 second faster in the dash. That's a huge difference.
There are now diesels, of similar weight, that will embarrass this car out of a toll booth.
I take it you have no experience of driving powerful cars and just read the magazine figures?
The flexibility of the XFR's engine when on the move is tremendous. It's virtually impossible to be unable to accelerate for an overtake. Whether driving manually or in automatic mode, it pulls very, very well in any gear at any revs. It's a lot like a diesel, but with a fast throttle response, twice the usable rev range and a great soundtrack.
jamieduff1981 said:
Raven Flyer said:
I can't quite work out why it isn't much faster with that much power on tap.
An RS6 is approx 1 second faster in the dash. That's a huge difference.
There are now diesels, of similar weight, that will embarrass this car out of a toll booth.
You can't work out why a car with over 250bhp through each rear tyre might be traction limited in 1st gear?An RS6 is approx 1 second faster in the dash. That's a huge difference.
There are now diesels, of similar weight, that will embarrass this car out of a toll booth.
I take it you have no experience of driving powerful cars and just read the magazine figures?
The flexibility of the XFR's engine when on the move is tremendous. It's virtually impossible to be unable to accelerate for an overtake. Whether driving manually or in automatic mode, it pulls very, very well in any gear at any revs. It's a lot like a diesel, but with a fast throttle response, twice the usable rev range and a great soundtrack.
I do wonder though if JLR are going to ditch it in favour of turbocharging soon.
A really great car, I had my head set on a c63 coupe and while they are great the Xfr is much more refined when you aren't in the mood for it. Mine is a 63 reg they are very well equipped as standard and extremely quick, you really struggle to use the performance on the road and it is a monster on the motorway. Mpg I get 21mpg average 18 in town but you can get 27 on a long run. Only things I would change are bigger fuel tank as 300 miles is pretty much the range limit, a more alert traction control system -a lot of power to deploy in the wet and you can have unintentional tail wagging- and slightly larger paddles for manual changes the Zf gear is is absolutely fantastic in either manual or auto modes. Also the wheels seem to pick up damage quite easily without ever having been kerbed. A very difficult car to replace!
I have been pondering for months my next piece of madness at about £20k with a view to treating myself for my 40th later this year. I've spent endless hours looking at 996s/997s (and worrying) and E60 M5s (and worrying). Coincidentally, just yesterday, I thought "what about an XFR..?" and did a bit of reading and looking at the classifieds.
So, other than the fact that this article has probably spiked prices, what's the catch? I'm not bothered about mpg. Catastrophic running costs? A looming bork that'd ruin ownership? The usual Jag depreciation?
Or, is this actually the answer for a man who wants a sense of occasion, a bit of luxury and to giggle like a small boy from time to time?
So, other than the fact that this article has probably spiked prices, what's the catch? I'm not bothered about mpg. Catastrophic running costs? A looming bork that'd ruin ownership? The usual Jag depreciation?
Or, is this actually the answer for a man who wants a sense of occasion, a bit of luxury and to giggle like a small boy from time to time?
basherX said:
I have been pondering for months my next piece of madness at about £20k with a view to treating myself for my 40th later this year. I've spent endless hours looking at 996s/997s (and worrying) and E60 M5s (and worrying). Coincidentally, just yesterday, I thought "what about an XFR..?" and did a bit of reading and looking at the classifieds.
So, other than the fact that this article has probably spiked prices, what's the catch? I'm not bothered about mpg. Catastrophic running costs? A looming bork that'd ruin ownership? The usual Jag depreciation?
Or, is this actually the answer for a man who wants a sense of occasion, a bit of luxury and to giggle like a small boy from time to time?
Snippet from another forum member's threadSo, other than the fact that this article has probably spiked prices, what's the catch? I'm not bothered about mpg. Catastrophic running costs? A looming bork that'd ruin ownership? The usual Jag depreciation?
Or, is this actually the answer for a man who wants a sense of occasion, a bit of luxury and to giggle like a small boy from time to time?
Carl said:
The engine in these is pretty bullet proof but check the coolant level. The water pumps can fail causing a coolant loss.
The solenoids in the door lock mechanism can fail. This means that any one of the doors can stay locked or scarily unlocked even if the central locking is used! To test for this lock the car and without the keys any where near the vehicle check all the doors. If one of them opens, and will inadvertently set the alarm off, then the lock will need replacing.
Also check the doors open from the inside.
Also check that all the windows go up and down all the way as the regulators can fail. This happened to me on my old 2008 car and when the window reaches the door frame the anti-trap kicked in and the window dropped back down!
Oh one last thing check that the rear camera works, if it has one, the number plate lights, and the boot itself. The boot wiring looms are a known problem where the wires can break over time.
Running costs are minimal:The solenoids in the door lock mechanism can fail. This means that any one of the doors can stay locked or scarily unlocked even if the central locking is used! To test for this lock the car and without the keys any where near the vehicle check all the doors. If one of them opens, and will inadvertently set the alarm off, then the lock will need replacing.
Also check the doors open from the inside.
Also check that all the windows go up and down all the way as the regulators can fail. This happened to me on my old 2008 car and when the window reaches the door frame the anti-trap kicked in and the window dropped back down!
Oh one last thing check that the rear camera works, if it has one, the number plate lights, and the boot itself. The boot wiring looms are a known problem where the wires can break over time.
£260 - £400 annual service depending on type (At a Jaguar dealer)
Tyres aren't too bad (£150 front £180 rears)
Tax is in the £5XX bracket but you probably knew that already
Insurance is £600 (32, 10+ years NCD, 3 points).
It's as mad and relentless as it is sedate, depending on your mood. Get one
Edited by carlpea on Sunday 3rd July 13:19
carlpea said:
Running costs are minimal:
£260 - £400 annual service depending on type (At a Jaguar dealer)
Tyres aren't too bad (£150 front £180 rears)
Tax is in the £5XX bracket but you probably knew that already
Insurance is £600 (32, 10+ years NCD, 3 points).
It's as mad and relentless as it is sedate, depending on your mood. Get one
Yeah, but what's the catch? This is one of those internet scams that I don't understand, isn't it? Nothing's that simple is it?£260 - £400 annual service depending on type (At a Jaguar dealer)
Tyres aren't too bad (£150 front £180 rears)
Tax is in the £5XX bracket but you probably knew that already
Insurance is £600 (32, 10+ years NCD, 3 points).
It's as mad and relentless as it is sedate, depending on your mood. Get one
Edited by carlpea on Sunday 3rd July 13:19
basherX said:
carlpea said:
Running costs are minimal:
£260 - £400 annual service depending on type (At a Jaguar dealer)
Tyres aren't too bad (£150 front £180 rears)
Tax is in the £5XX bracket but you probably knew that already
Insurance is £600 (32, 10+ years NCD, 3 points).
It's as mad and relentless as it is sedate, depending on your mood. Get one
Yeah, but what's the catch? This is one of those internet scams that I don't understand, isn't it? Nothing's that simple is it?£260 - £400 annual service depending on type (At a Jaguar dealer)
Tyres aren't too bad (£150 front £180 rears)
Tax is in the £5XX bracket but you probably knew that already
Insurance is £600 (32, 10+ years NCD, 3 points).
It's as mad and relentless as it is sedate, depending on your mood. Get one
Edited by carlpea on Sunday 3rd July 13:19
Awesome, I love Supercharged Jaaags!! I had an S-type R as my second car believe it or not (£600 a year to insure at age 19!) that was years ago now, I still drone on about how it was the greatest car in the world. It probably isn't the greatest car in world, but it was comfier than a full fat Rangey and a better steer than my M3 (E46) and that supercharged engine was like poking a sleeping honey badger with a stick. So as far as boring saloon cars go it definitely had some pretty substantial bases covered!. So I have unbelievably high hopes for the XFR, I bet it's fantastic in every way!. I'll get round to owning one some day, the only thing is they've done away with the 4 pot Brembos of the previous generations of R for twin piston sliding calipers, and it's not got so much of that 'Sleek with cheeky hints of muscle' Jaguar R styling of old.
The big German uber barges leave me cold, but I'd bloody love one of these, just need a considerable change in fortune to be able to afford one.
As the sort of person who values reliability above all they might give me the willys a bit, after all they are built by the same company that gives us the Range Rover and a friend of mine has an X351 XJL that has a had a few cooling based issues.
As the sort of person who values reliability above all they might give me the willys a bit, after all they are built by the same company that gives us the Range Rover and a friend of mine has an X351 XJL that has a had a few cooling based issues.
carlpea said:
Running costs are minimal:
£260 - £400 annual service depending on type (At a Jaguar dealer)
Tyres aren't too bad (£150 front £180 rears)
Tax is in the £5XX bracket but you probably knew that already
Insurance is £600 (32, 10+ years NCD, 3 points).
It's as mad and relentless as it is sedate, depending on your mood. Get one
that looks super duper - what a cool machine, I just couldn't choose any of its rivals over it, that looks smashing, but judging by the videos I have seen it needs a raucous exhaust, although it seems those are thankfully easy enough to come by judging by the comments on this thread!£260 - £400 annual service depending on type (At a Jaguar dealer)
Tyres aren't too bad (£150 front £180 rears)
Tax is in the £5XX bracket but you probably knew that already
Insurance is £600 (32, 10+ years NCD, 3 points).
It's as mad and relentless as it is sedate, depending on your mood. Get one
Edited by carlpea on Sunday 3rd July 13:19
Willy Nilly said:
The big German uber barges leave me cold, but I'd bloody love one of these, just need a considerable change in fortune to be able to afford one.
As the sort of person who values reliability above all they might give me the willys a bit, after all they are built by the same company that gives us the Range Rover and a friend of mine has an X351 XJL that has a had a few cooling based issues.
JLR's reliability figures are dragged way down by LandRover / RangeRover, and to a lesser extent by diesel powered Jags.As the sort of person who values reliability above all they might give me the willys a bit, after all they are built by the same company that gives us the Range Rover and a friend of mine has an X351 XJL that has a had a few cooling based issues.
Jaguar petrols are damned reliable. For example, have a look at the XK in the reliability indexes, it's the most reliable car in it's class (large GT). It scores way higher than the BMW 6 series, Audi A5, various Merc coupes etc.
V88Dicky said:
JLR's reliability figures are dragged way down by LandRover / RangeRover, and to a lesser extent by diesel powered Jags.
Jaguar petrols are damned reliable. For example, have a look at the XK in the reliability indexes, it's the most reliable car in it's class (large GT). It scores way higher than the BMW 6 series, Audi A5, various Merc coupes etc.
The JLR reliability is a myth perpetuated by Internet 'experts' I've owned a few Discoveries over the past decade and they've been fine. Think about it, if they were really that crap, would you see so many on the street? Jaguar petrols are damned reliable. For example, have a look at the XK in the reliability indexes, it's the most reliable car in it's class (large GT). It scores way higher than the BMW 6 series, Audi A5, various Merc coupes etc.
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