At last - MPs agree all-lane running is dangerous!
Discussion
The Transport Select Committee has agreed something we've been saying on PH all along; that all-lane running on motorways is dangerous and should be scrapped:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36664116
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36664116
The engineers who designed these roads included hard shoulders for a damn good reason. The yanks even mandate two of them... an inner and an outer.
As the EU referendum shows, British politicians only care about the short term and couldn't give two hoots about the country 20 years down the road.
As the EU referendum shows, British politicians only care about the short term and couldn't give two hoots about the country 20 years down the road.
Edited by skyrover on Thursday 30th June 09:10
Lorries should only be allowed to operate between 7pm and 7am. This would be unfortunate for lorry drivers, but that role will be phased out due to automation anyway. It would free up the outside lane for cars (hardly any use it at present) and stop snail racing taking up two lanes and creating barriers which slow people down every mile or two.
That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?
That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?
Hitch said:
Lorries should only be allowed to operate between 7pm and 7am. This would be unfortunate for lorry drivers, but that role will be phased out due to automation anyway. It would free up the outside lane for cars (hardly any use it at present) and stop snail racing taking up two lanes and creating barriers which slow people down every mile or two.
That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?
This is probably the only other quick fix that they could do that would help with rush hour traffic. That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?
Extra lanes are a sticking plaster as well, abet one that is expensive and time consuming to implement and not always possible due to encroachment from the surroundings.
We need more A roads and Motorways, but that is going to be very expensive. Even if they went with green lighting more toll roads to cut the cost to the tax payer it would still take years to design, get approval and build all of the roads we would need.
The M62 has sections where the hard shoulder is available for use at certain times. Hardly anyone uses it.
I think they should finally relent and allow passing on both sides. It would remove a huge amount of aggression and tail gating and allow all our carriageways to be used all of the time.
I think they should finally relent and allow passing on both sides. It would remove a huge amount of aggression and tail gating and allow all our carriageways to be used all of the time.
Hitch said:
Lorries should only be allowed to operate between 7pm and 7am. This would be unfortunate for lorry drivers, but that role will be phased out due to automation anyway. It would free up the outside lane for cars (hardly any use it at present) and stop snail racing taking up two lanes and creating barriers which slow people down every mile or two.
That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?
This is ridiculous. Lorry drives overnight waits for a business to open, tips his partial load. Then stuck during daylight hours, drives to next drop, waits until until open, then stuck again. That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?
PositronicRay said:
Hitch said:
Lorries should only be allowed to operate between 7pm and 7am. This would be unfortunate for lorry drivers, but that role will be phased out due to automation anyway. It would free up the outside lane for cars (hardly any use it at present) and stop snail racing taking up two lanes and creating barriers which slow people down every mile or two.
That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?
This is ridiculous. Lorry drives overnight waits for a business to open, tips his partial load. Then stuck during daylight hours, drives to next drop, waits until until open, then stuck again. That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?
I hate all lane running on B roads!! Driving that close to the edge scares me!!!
This is being done because half (I recon) drivers on British roads can't drive and wouldn't pass a test. I think these systems work. They are only dangerous because of the idiots that can't drive.
How many severe accidents have there been on managed motorways vs the three lanes with congestion?
Oh yes I get it now, empty hard shoulders can run police down to escort the PM's to tea and cakes at Parliament!
This is being done because half (I recon) drivers on British roads can't drive and wouldn't pass a test. I think these systems work. They are only dangerous because of the idiots that can't drive.
How many severe accidents have there been on managed motorways vs the three lanes with congestion?
Oh yes I get it now, empty hard shoulders can run police down to escort the PM's to tea and cakes at Parliament!
chasingracecars said:
I hate all lane running on B roads!! Driving that close to the edge scares me!!!
This is being done because half (I recon) drivers on British roads can't drive and wouldn't pass a test. I think these systems work. They are only dangerous because of the idiots that can't drive.
How many severe accidents have there been on managed motorways vs the three lanes with congestion?
Oh yes I get it now, empty hard shoulders can run police down to escort the PM's to tea and cakes at Parliament!
Hard shoulders are where vehicles seek refuge if they breakdown. There have been well reported incidents where drivers have not obeyed 'lane closed' signs and run into stationary vehicles on stretches of all-lane running, most notably the one in which three men were killed by a coach near Toddington services on the M1.This is being done because half (I recon) drivers on British roads can't drive and wouldn't pass a test. I think these systems work. They are only dangerous because of the idiots that can't drive.
How many severe accidents have there been on managed motorways vs the three lanes with congestion?
Oh yes I get it now, empty hard shoulders can run police down to escort the PM's to tea and cakes at Parliament!
2Btoo said:
All-lane running was a small sticking plaster on the problem of our badly overcrowded roads.
They're only over crowded as lot of the capacity (50%?) is wasted through total lack of understanding of lane discipline and comfort braking.Educate people (not gonna happen I know) and then see how large the residual problem is (pretty small IMO).
nickfrog said:
2Btoo said:
All-lane running was a small sticking plaster on the problem of our badly overcrowded roads.
They're only over crowded as lot of the capacity (50%?) is wasted through total lack of understanding of lane discipline and comfort braking.Educate people (not gonna happen I know) and then see how large the residual problem is (pretty small IMO).
Europa1 said:
PositronicRay said:
Hitch said:
Lorries should only be allowed to operate between 7pm and 7am. This would be unfortunate for lorry drivers, but that role will be phased out due to automation anyway. It would free up the outside lane for cars (hardly any use it at present) and stop snail racing taking up two lanes and creating barriers which slow people down every mile or two.
That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?
This is ridiculous. Lorry drives overnight waits for a business to open, tips his partial load. Then stuck during daylight hours, drives to next drop, waits until until open, then stuck again. That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?
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