At last - MPs agree all-lane running is dangerous!
Discussion
Mandown46 said:
This is going to be a tricky one for the MPs. On one hand, people are saying its dangerous, on the other, there is no evidence yet to support that.
There are issues around emergency services getting to incidents, much as there is on any major road.
Elroy, I'm not sure if you have had any of the briefings on Incident Access Lanes, or Reverse Access? The last tabletop thing I went to , almost none of the 3 services there had heard of it.
The biggest downside is, there simply isn't going to be any widening, I remember the pain that was the last lot of widening on my patch, and even one of the most needed sections got scrapped due to the amount of opposition from local residents and green campaigners. So if ALR is scrapped, there isn't going to be anything to improve the congestion issues, and the stuff that's in place, is unlikely to be removed.
From seeing it in action, and driving in it nearly every day, its not actually that bad.
You can table top all you like, when an incident occurs that's four lanes blocked, extending at a mile a minute. There isn't and never will be resources in place to provide safe reverse access until hours after an event. There are issues around emergency services getting to incidents, much as there is on any major road.
Elroy, I'm not sure if you have had any of the briefings on Incident Access Lanes, or Reverse Access? The last tabletop thing I went to , almost none of the 3 services there had heard of it.
The biggest downside is, there simply isn't going to be any widening, I remember the pain that was the last lot of widening on my patch, and even one of the most needed sections got scrapped due to the amount of opposition from local residents and green campaigners. So if ALR is scrapped, there isn't going to be anything to improve the congestion issues, and the stuff that's in place, is unlikely to be removed.
From seeing it in action, and driving in it nearly every day, its not actually that bad.
M/ways are certainly not 'like any other road'. Four lane running is a failure. The sad thing is we could have told those that thought of it all the problems, but likely weren't considered worthy of being asked
Elroy Blue said:
One unit to instigate reverse access? I don't know what m/ways you work on, nor in what capacity, but it's certainly not the same ones I do.
You only deal with these things first hand. You can't possibly know about them as well as the people who probably drive miles clogging up the motorway network to unnecessary meetings to sit around tables holding forth with their expertise. As for these motorways enforcing speed, they're already festooned with speed cameras and claiming a lot of scalps. I read about how many of them are fitted with matrix signs to display limits that were built to incorrect standards, the font of the numbers is too narrow making them hard to read as you approach them. Rather than replace them all, the government simply type approved them retrospectively.
If we're going to have strict speed enforcement, we need a sensible speed limit that doesn't incriminate a large proportion of people for the sort of speed they normally drive at without incident and we need to ensure any reduced speed limits are only in place when necessary and either clearly cancelled with NSL signs or signed on every gantry.
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