Fatal Tesla crash, software based issue?
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How many deposits are now going to be sacrificed/pulled?
REUTERS
<Tesla is being investigated following a crash in which a man died after colliding with a trailer. Under scrutiny is the electric car company's Autopilot feature, a function which automatically changes lanes and reacts to traffic. In a statement, Tesla said it appeared the car was unable to recognise "the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky" that had driven across the car's path.>
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-investigat...
REUTERS
<Tesla is being investigated following a crash in which a man died after colliding with a trailer. Under scrutiny is the electric car company's Autopilot feature, a function which automatically changes lanes and reacts to traffic. In a statement, Tesla said it appeared the car was unable to recognise "the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky" that had driven across the car's path.>
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-investigat...
The tech failed to notice it though, because of a combination of the sky and the trailer colour. Goes to limitations/deficiencies of the tech, I'd have thought. A driver not relying so slavishly on the tech may have reacted differently/quicker. Issues with human behaviour too, I guess.
When I drive on cruise control I keep my right foot hovering near or over the brake pedal.
Personally, if I was driving on "autopilot", I wouldn't physically be able to ignore the road and the car controls and would treat it like cruise control for keeping in lane (which seems to be Tesla's intention for this mode).
I suspect that is a general PH approach to using this mode, however PH users also aren't the sort who use the internet whilst driving yet plenty of retards do. So people will try to take a nap/do their knitting/turn to face their passenger whilst driving on autopilot (although hopefully it checks the driver to make sure their eyes are focussed on the road ahead).
Personally, if I was driving on "autopilot", I wouldn't physically be able to ignore the road and the car controls and would treat it like cruise control for keeping in lane (which seems to be Tesla's intention for this mode).
I suspect that is a general PH approach to using this mode, however PH users also aren't the sort who use the internet whilst driving yet plenty of retards do. So people will try to take a nap/do their knitting/turn to face their passenger whilst driving on autopilot (although hopefully it checks the driver to make sure their eyes are focussed on the road ahead).
Another recent incident where a bloke used the "fetch" feature and it bumped the windscreen into the back of a truck parked in front of it as it didn't "see" it.
Sounds to me like Tesla need to modify their sensors to include the space occupied a couple of feet above roof height, and not just stop at bonnet height which seems to be the root cause of these incidents.
Sounds to me like Tesla need to modify their sensors to include the space occupied a couple of feet above roof height, and not just stop at bonnet height which seems to be the root cause of these incidents.
The truck turned across the major highway causing the accident.
Reports seem to say the driver didnt see it either, though may not have been looking as hard as they could.
its not an autonomous driving system and requires the driver to still keep in control and be able to take over when needed.
Reports seem to say the driver didnt see it either, though may not have been looking as hard as they could.
its not an autonomous driving system and requires the driver to still keep in control and be able to take over when needed.
This is the junction in question.
https://goo.gl/maps/VKqNwTKH2wG2
Tesla was cruising along a straight road assuming at the speed limit.
The truck driver coming the other way turns across the carriageway in front of the tesla
We dont know if there was even a chance for the driver or autopilot to stop.
Plenty of these incidents happen that you cant avoid.
Its not the teslas fault, the driver of the truck is being charged.
https://goo.gl/maps/VKqNwTKH2wG2
Tesla was cruising along a straight road assuming at the speed limit.
The truck driver coming the other way turns across the carriageway in front of the tesla
We dont know if there was even a chance for the driver or autopilot to stop.
Plenty of these incidents happen that you cant avoid.
Its not the teslas fault, the driver of the truck is being charged.
IKEA are recalling millions of draw units that can fall over and hurt or kill toddlers because everyone thinks they know better (myself included) and ignore the instructions to tether them to the wall.
Strangely IKEA are only recalling them in the US up to now, but my point is can you blame Tesla if people are ignoring their instructions and killing themselves? It seems that IKEA have been forced to recall their product due to user failure, so I could see Tesla being forced to do something like turn off the feature completely.
There is a lot of car industry influence within Washington and some car companies or oil may want to see Tesla get a knock down.
Strangely IKEA are only recalling them in the US up to now, but my point is can you blame Tesla if people are ignoring their instructions and killing themselves? It seems that IKEA have been forced to recall their product due to user failure, so I could see Tesla being forced to do something like turn off the feature completely.
There is a lot of car industry influence within Washington and some car companies or oil may want to see Tesla get a knock down.
On any given day 90 other people die on US roads not using self driving cars..
The accident here was caused by poor driving from the truck driver turning in front of oncoming traffic.
Could the tesla have avoided it? Could a human driver paying attention avoided it?
Not every accident is avoidable.
The accident here was caused by poor driving from the truck driver turning in front of oncoming traffic.
Could the tesla have avoided it? Could a human driver paying attention avoided it?
Not every accident is avoidable.
Tesla's disclaimer that drivers must still drive the car will be interesting to test in court for sure.
They keep relying on their telemetry in these cases but there's an issue that it's THEIR telemetry and, frankly, it could report anything THEY want it to report?
As it seems 'black boxes' are inevitable, now might be the time that someone sets-out a standard for storing this data which is both publically accessible (ala ODB2) AND which is also tamper-proof both for the manufs themselves and the car owners (and insurers and legislators and anyone else)
It just so happens I've done that - patent?
They keep relying on their telemetry in these cases but there's an issue that it's THEIR telemetry and, frankly, it could report anything THEY want it to report?
As it seems 'black boxes' are inevitable, now might be the time that someone sets-out a standard for storing this data which is both publically accessible (ala ODB2) AND which is also tamper-proof both for the manufs themselves and the car owners (and insurers and legislators and anyone else)
It just so happens I've done that - patent?
I thought ecu's already recorded a lot of data like that now.
I also doubt tesla would fake any data. Too much trouble there and too easy to be seen through. They dont after all have the car in question which likely has its own copy of records, just what it transmitted.
They are I think also not claiming it even started to brake, but that its sensor system was fooled, hardly a good position to be in after trying to fake data...
I also doubt tesla would fake any data. Too much trouble there and too easy to be seen through. They dont after all have the car in question which likely has its own copy of records, just what it transmitted.
They are I think also not claiming it even started to brake, but that its sensor system was fooled, hardly a good position to be in after trying to fake data...
I can believe the light trailer against blue sky bit if the sun was behind the car.
However, what colour was the prime mover, and surely the trailer had black tyres? Makes me wonder how far ahead and how far to the side the camera sees, and how the software interprets what it sees e.g. Does it think an object to the left and one to the right may be connected by something e.g. a trailer?
I suppose US trailers having no under-run bars doesn't help.
However, what colour was the prime mover, and surely the trailer had black tyres? Makes me wonder how far ahead and how far to the side the camera sees, and how the software interprets what it sees e.g. Does it think an object to the left and one to the right may be connected by something e.g. a trailer?
I suppose US trailers having no under-run bars doesn't help.
Jader1973 said:
I suppose US trailers having no under-run bars doesn't help.
Probably. Trailer would likely be 53ft long and most of that length is space at that level. Could easily be fooled into thinking the front and back are separate with nothing in the middle if the radar isnt picking up the trailer.
In the 'can't see' thing - Tesla uses a mix of forward/backward-facing radar and cameras (nothing like as flashy as a Google self-driving car and it's Lidar apparatus) doesn't it?
I have to say, if you're trusting a car to pull-out of a junction - you're braver than I am given it can't see as well as you can?
It's really just a flashy cruise control - on the highway, sure why not - anywhere else - erm - no
I have to say, if you're trusting a car to pull-out of a junction - you're braver than I am given it can't see as well as you can?
It's really just a flashy cruise control - on the highway, sure why not - anywhere else - erm - no
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