Fatal Tesla crash, software based issue?
Discussion
saaby93 said:
98elise said:
Of course real time decision making can be programmed. I've worked on fully autonomous weapons platforms that will threat assess and engage many many targets at once. That's 1960's technology which went from requirements to delivery in a handful of years.
I'm currently a business analyst so I write software requirements + functional and technical spec's. Drawing the process model for driving car and reacting to risk would be reasonably simple . The hard bit is getting it to recognise and what other vehicles/people are doing.
It needs to see what we see, and understand it as we do. The decision making from that point is far better handled by a machine.
Typical stupid collision is when someone swerves to avoid a dog and runs over someone on the pavement.I'm currently a business analyst so I write software requirements + functional and technical spec's. Drawing the process model for driving car and reacting to risk would be reasonably simple . The hard bit is getting it to recognise and what other vehicles/people are doing.
It needs to see what we see, and understand it as we do. The decision making from that point is far better handled by a machine.
How would the computer decide to take out the dog instead?
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Mr2Mike said:
The Vambo said:
In reality privacy is way overrated.
In what way is privacy overrated? What are the significant individual benefits of having your privacy removed?People, and this may or may not include you, are too ignorant to realise that they willingly give away more information about themselves that could ever be forcibly taken and then talk about privacy? Beyond what happens in your bedroom when the kids stay at their granny's, the word doesn't mean much anymore.
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Morons, f
king morons.Artey said:
The Vambo said:
In reality privacy is way overrated.
Ladies and gentlemen we have a Remain camp representative in the house.Max_Torque said:
renrut said:
The software to differentiate between an overhead gantry and a truck isn't difficult in the grand scheme of image processing.
Spoken like a true "armchair" expert..... Have you written any image processing software, if you had, you wouldn't be saying things like that^^^^ ;-)
The bit I find most troubling about these systems is that electronic functional safety seems to be so flaky once you get away from the classic 'mission critical' stuff (aerospace/nuclear).
The Vambo said:
Mr2Mike said:
The Vambo said:
In reality privacy is way overrated.
In what way is privacy overrated? What are the significant individual benefits of having your privacy removed?People, and this may or may not include you, are too ignorant to realise that they willingly give away more information about themselves that could ever be forcibly taken and then talk about privacy? Beyond what happens in your bedroom when the kids stay at their granny's, the word doesn't mean much anymore.
Preliminary report confirms the car's motors weren't powered after it exited from under the trailer. This contradicts eyewitness reports that the car carried on "driving itself" after the initial collision.
http://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports...
http://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports...
mgtony said:
That was a hell of a way to travel if it was just carried by its momentum.
OK, try this. Drive along a bit of motorway when there's nobody behind you and put the car into neutral and see how far you coast.The collision itself didn't absorb much energy as is apparent by the relatively small amount of damage to the trailer and the nature of the damage to the car.
If you still think it's not possible, I suggest you invest in a tin foil hat.
TheInternet said:
I look forward to a future where your car could continue to drive/parade you to your destination even if your head has been lopped off mid-journey.
Imagine that mess quietly parking up on your drive pretending that nothing has happened.
And letting your internet enabled fridge know that it's time to lower the temperature to cold enough to store what remains of your body.Imagine that mess quietly parking up on your drive pretending that nothing has happened.
renrut said:
I don't know much about crash safety but should the A pillars have resisted that a bit more and deformed vs just parting company?
Pretty much any standard road car would have suffered simmilar damage. Windscreen pillars are quite a bit stronger than they used to be but nowhere near string enough to resist the kind of force you get from hitting a heavy steel trailer at 70mph. If they had been strong enough to resist being ripped off, it would probably have snapped the guys neck with the acceleration anyway.TheInternet said:
I look forward to a future where your car could continue to drive/parade you to your destination even if your head has been lopped off mid-journey.
Imagine that mess quietly parking up on your drive pretending that nothing has happened.
Imagine that mess quietly parking up on your drive pretending that nothing has happened.
OTOH the BBC are reporting a guy used his Autopilot mode to help drive him to hospital while he was having a medical emergency. Possibly risky behavior, but if it gets good enough to stop you swervingninto oncomming traffic while you're asleep/dying that could save a lot of lives.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/37009696/tes...
glazbagun said:
OTOH the BBC are reporting a guy used his Autopilot mode to help drive him to hospital while he was having a medical emergency. Possibly risky behavior, but if it gets good enough to stop you swervingninto oncomming traffic while you're asleep/dying that could save a lot of lives.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/37009696/tes...
Mr2Mike said:
renrut said:
I don't know much about crash safety but should the A pillars have resisted that a bit more and deformed vs just parting company?
Pretty much any standard road car would have suffered simmilar damage. Windscreen pillars are quite a bit stronger than they used to be but nowhere near string enough to resist the kind of force you get from hitting a heavy steel trailer at 70mph. If they had been strong enough to resist being ripped off, it would probably have snapped the guys neck with the acceleration anyway.Looks like the investigation is complete..
"US regulators have found no evidence of any defects in Tesla electric cars after investigating the death of a man whose Model S collided with a truck while he was using its Autopilot system, the first fatality involving semi-autonomous driving software."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/88598987/tesl...
http://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/01/after-fatal-te...
"NHTSA finds “crash rate dropped by almost 40 percent after Autosteer installation.” "
"The NHTSA also gives some interesting insight into the fatal crash itself. “The driver took no braking, steering, or other actions to avoid the collision,” the report notes, adding that his last recorded action was setting cruise control to 74mph. “NHTSA’s crash reconstruction indicates that the tractor trailer should have been visible to the Tesla driver for at least seven seconds prior to impact"
"US regulators have found no evidence of any defects in Tesla electric cars after investigating the death of a man whose Model S collided with a truck while he was using its Autopilot system, the first fatality involving semi-autonomous driving software."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/88598987/tesl...
http://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/01/after-fatal-te...
"NHTSA finds “crash rate dropped by almost 40 percent after Autosteer installation.” "
"The NHTSA also gives some interesting insight into the fatal crash itself. “The driver took no braking, steering, or other actions to avoid the collision,” the report notes, adding that his last recorded action was setting cruise control to 74mph. “NHTSA’s crash reconstruction indicates that the tractor trailer should have been visible to the Tesla driver for at least seven seconds prior to impact"
Why isnt it an autopilot?
Autopilot in planes is just something that keeps the plane on a particular heading, perhaps even changes between waypoints. Didnt normally have collision detection etc built in.
Its a term that fits advanced cruise control which goes beyond that.
Its also a term that doesnt go as far as self driving.
Its pretty comprehensive in the software and on screen when using it that it doesnt do everything and the driver has to remain in control.
This driver had 7 seconds to see the truck turning and stop. enough to do it about 4 times over in the Tesla.
Autopilot in planes is just something that keeps the plane on a particular heading, perhaps even changes between waypoints. Didnt normally have collision detection etc built in.
Its a term that fits advanced cruise control which goes beyond that.
Its also a term that doesnt go as far as self driving.
Its pretty comprehensive in the software and on screen when using it that it doesnt do everything and the driver has to remain in control.
This driver had 7 seconds to see the truck turning and stop. enough to do it about 4 times over in the Tesla.
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