RE: Aston Red Bull hypercar confirmed
Discussion
Chris Stott said:
The more I loo at this, the more I think 'publicity stunt'.
Aston have no money - they made a £70M loss in the 2014 tax year and they are heavily in debt (and paying ridiculous interest rates to service that debt). Even if they sell 100 units at £3M they will likely lose money on every one.
They need something like a Cayenne in their range to make some profit a lot more than they need this.
Nah. Aston have no money - they made a £70M loss in the 2014 tax year and they are heavily in debt (and paying ridiculous interest rates to service that debt). Even if they sell 100 units at £3M they will likely lose money on every one.
They need something like a Cayenne in their range to make some profit a lot more than they need this.
They're in debt because they're knee deep in developing replacements for their entire model range for the first time in a decade. Not cheap.
These sorts of vehicle programs I bet do make a healthy profit - small volume type approval means much simpler crash testing, hand building and low volumes means no expensive production line to kit out, and so on and so forth.
xRIEx said:
This article popped up in my news feed, quality content from CNN.
It said elsewhere in that article about "... faster than an F1 car," instead of LMP1.
To be honest unless I see a quote from Red Bull or Aston saying faster than an F1 car then I don't believe it. A lot of the motoring press is complete garbage these days. Ironically my personal experience is when I sold the first pictures of the Aston Martin Cygnet. A huge number of websites ripped off the ones that had actually bought them, and either copied directly, or modified the story so that it was completely wrong. Some copied off the ones that wrote it incorrectly too. So I would not be surprised if someone got it wrong here and they all just copied each other. Same with Pagani and the "last model". The only model Pagani said would be the last production Zonda was the Cinque cars. The rest of the special editions were the press adding stuff that Pagani never said, and so despite this everyone says Pagani were bad by continuing to release loads of "last editions". Some people are critising it for being claimed to be under 1000kg. That from what I have seen has not been said by Red Bull/Aston either. So unless you see the actual quote or official press release I would not believe much you read until the car is actually released.It said elsewhere in that article about "... faster than an F1 car," instead of LMP1.
xRIEx said:
Does it? The 919 is about 875kg and 900hp. An LMP1 has bugger all room in the cabin, so front cross sectional area is minimised. I doubt this could match an LMP1 for weight, power:weight or CdA. (Eta: well, CdA without wings may be better, but then to the detriment of corner speed.)
Don't get me wrong, I like it and I'm glad they're doing it (although sceptical it will happen), but I think they're exaggerating its capabilities.
No restrictions on power, fuel etc, plus the aero can be active so reduce the need for fixed wings that result in drag but help for the cornering. Not saying it is the case, but it's not impossible, at least for the track version. Not sure how close the road one would actually be.Don't get me wrong, I like it and I'm glad they're doing it (although sceptical it will happen), but I think they're exaggerating its capabilities.
Edited by xRIEx on Tuesday 5th July 17:18
Edited by xRIEx on Tuesday 5th July 17:20
RobDown said:
Damn I seem to have accidentally logged into the What Car? forum not Pistonheads judging by many of the comments above
Seriously guys; a car company wants to make a 900bhp, 900kg hypercar that might be as fast as an LMP1 and you're not in the least bit excited? Someone moaning that it wont make a good road car? Really, I mean really? Think you've all come to the wrong place
+1Seriously guys; a car company wants to make a 900bhp, 900kg hypercar that might be as fast as an LMP1 and you're not in the least bit excited? Someone moaning that it wont make a good road car? Really, I mean really? Think you've all come to the wrong place
The only issue I see is continuing incorrect euromillions numbers....
suffolk009 said:
Some car journos on Twitter are calling it the Aston Martin "Adrian".
I like it.
Shame it has redbull involvement, it would be much cooler if it was just Aston Martin and Adrian newey. But then they might've called it the AMAN 001.I like it.
I look forward to seeing if it lives up to its performance claims!
So it's the race version that could give an LMP1 a run for its money?
So it's a un-restricted race car that's as fast as a very restricted race car? Is this impressive as a feat?
Not saying it's not a mental looking thing and I don't want one, but if you want to buy a proper race car, how much does £3m get you in the big wide world? Probably a 90's f1 car to play around with?
So it's a un-restricted race car that's as fast as a very restricted race car? Is this impressive as a feat?
Not saying it's not a mental looking thing and I don't want one, but if you want to buy a proper race car, how much does £3m get you in the big wide world? Probably a 90's f1 car to play around with?
Edited by p1stonhead on Tuesday 5th July 19:42
xRIEx said:
Does it? The 919 is about 875kg and 900hp. An LMP1 has bugger all room in the cabin, so front cross sectional area is minimised. I doubt this could match an LMP1 for weight, power:weight or CdA. (Eta: well, CdA without wings may be better, but then to the detriment of corner speed.)
Don't get me wrong, I like it and I'm glad they're doing it (although sceptical it will happen), but I think they're exaggerating its capabilities.
In talking 'possible', yep - I'd say it was possible. Underfloor tunnels like that could be awesome in terms of downforce vs. drag.Don't get me wrong, I like it and I'm glad they're doing it (although sceptical it will happen), but I think they're exaggerating its capabilities.
Edited by xRIEx on Tuesday 5th July 17:18
Edited by xRIEx on Tuesday 5th July 17:20
However, I think we're in agreement - It could be a great car and we should all rejoice in the fact that they're doing it not knock them before they've even attempted to hit a goal
PhillipM said:
The only way I can see it fitting is that the car must be about 8ft wide going off that render...
They may be saying it now, but there isn't going to be a V12 in the back of that car. Expect something just shy of a third of the displacement, half the cylinders and possibly with a turbo charger and based on something that usually has a Renault/TAG Heuer badge but is actually built by somebody else for the french engine supplier. DanielSan said:
PhillipM said:
The only way I can see it fitting is that the car must be about 8ft wide going off that render...
They may be saying it now, but there isn't going to be a V12 in the back of that car. Expect something just shy of a third of the displacement, half the cylinders and possibly with a turbo charger and based on something that usually has a Renault/TAG Heuer badge but is actually built by somebody else for the french engine supplier. Can someone please explain where the driver and passenger are expected to put their feet? Or this car for legless drivers only? Shmee150 has posted a video of the reveal with several shots of the ducting beneath this concept. It may be aerodynamically brilliant but in other respects appears to leave much else to be sorted out - but then it is billed as a concept.
Max_Torque said:
Sorry, but my BULLSH*T radar is bonging off the scale!
"fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
THIS"fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
Totally insane. All of that free space underneath will be gone when they actually develop this properly.
RenOHH said:
Max_Torque said:
Sorry, but my BULLSH*T radar is bonging off the scale!
"fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
THIS"fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
Totally insane. All of that free space underneath will be gone when they actually develop this properly.
anonymous said:
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While I can see how that might work in theory, look how far inboard the floor with the yellow stripe is going. It's practically at the centre line by the time it disappears behind the body side behind the front wheel. There's nowhere for the seat cushion, let alone legs.
WestyCarl said:
RobDown said:
Damn I seem to have accidentally logged into the What Car? forum not Pistonheads judging by many of the comments above
Seriously guys; a car company wants to make a 900bhp, 900kg hypercar that might be as fast as an LMP1 and you're not in the least bit excited? Someone moaning that it wont make a good road car? Really, I mean really? Think you've all come to the wrong place
Yeah I mean it's only Adrian Newey in charge, what does he know compared to the PH experts. In fact he's probably in MK now logged on and picking up design ideas and tips Seriously guys; a car company wants to make a 900bhp, 900kg hypercar that might be as fast as an LMP1 and you're not in the least bit excited? Someone moaning that it wont make a good road car? Really, I mean really? Think you've all come to the wrong place
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