RE: Aston Red Bull hypercar confirmed
Discussion
RenOHH said:
While I can see how that might work in theory, look how far inboard the floor with the yellow stripe is going. It's practically at the centre line by the time it disappears behind the body side behind the front wheel. There's nowhere for the seat cushion, let alone legs.
If you look at the images from low down, directly in front, you can see the shape of the passenger cell. It's certainly not wide, but it's probably just about wide enough for two sets of feet if you don't mind a rather offset driving position:
I'd guess looking at the pictures that interior dimension similar to, say, an Elise should be possible; albeit with the feet a good 6 inches higher.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 5th July 21:12
anonymous said:
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In fairness though, if you buy this you probably already have a stable of cars catering to all different driving experiences you could want and this just adds a new dimension - basically being much faster than anything that came before it, exclusivity, adrian n name etc. all good and peachy to want the most involving drivers car, but if you already have a 250 SWB, a 2.7 RS, a Carrera GT, a McL F1 and an MX5 or a similar combination of cars in your garage, then you are probably pretty well covered on the driver involvement
As I see it you dont really need an aero guru to build you sth with driver involvement - actually it might be detrimental as aero by definition works at speeds much too high for your weekend drive-out anyway
The worlds top f1 designer plans the fastest car in the world for the road and pages of negative comments , luckily prob not of of the people making these comments can afford to pretend they have a choice in either buying one !
And the people who can these cars will be an investment with rising values just like all top tier cars are,British designer British built car great stuff .
And the people who can these cars will be an investment with rising values just like all top tier cars are,British designer British built car great stuff .
redroadster said:
The worlds top f1 designer plans the fastest car in the world for the road and pages of negative comments , luckily prob not of of the people making these comments can afford to pretend they have a choice in either buying one !
And the people who can these cars will be an investment with rising values just like all top tier cars are,British designer British built car great stuff .
Absolutely. All the negative comments are from those (likely) without a shred of engineering in their bones and in no position to consider anything like this. This British disease is so boring. And the people who can these cars will be an investment with rising values just like all top tier cars are,British designer British built car great stuff .
kambites said:
RenOHH said:
While I can see how that might work in theory, look how far inboard the floor with the yellow stripe is going. It's practically at the centre line by the time it disappears behind the body side behind the front wheel. There's nowhere for the seat cushion, let alone legs.
If you look at the images from low down, directly in front, you can see the shape of the passenger cell. It's certainly not wide, but it's probably just about wide enough for two sets of feet if you don't mind a rather offset driving position:I'd guess looking at the pictures that interior dimension similar to, say, an Elise should be possible; albeit with the feet a good 6 inches higher.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 5th July 21:12
anonymous said:
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That is true, but not every owner is like that. Look at our own wtdoom for one example of somebody who seems to drive his cars (never met the guy but enjoy reading his posts). Unfortunately it is not sth I have to concern myself with due to lack of financial clout - the cars I buy, I do drive though without any regard for future value/saleabilty etc ..... A car is a car and should be used as such regardless of value imo
Max_Torque said:
Sorry, but my BULLSH*T radar is bonging off the scale!
"fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
"Quicker than an F1 car" er, seriously unlikely, even given free rein without regs, and as anyone who has driven a very quick single seater with massive aero will testify, they make TERRIBLE road cars. P1/918/LaLa all took significant performance compromises on-board in order to make the decent to drive on the road
Tyres - this is the big one, it won't be quicker than an F1 car on ROAD LEGAL tyres
Secret "Adrian Newey" sauce - yes he's a pretty dam good race car designer, but even he can't brake the laws of physics. A "practical" road car can never be F1 car low, which is what is required to make underfloor ground effect aero work. Low drag isn't enough, you need the massive ratio of downforce to mass that an F1 car has to pull high G.
Road Car Homologation - er, just looking at that styling buck (which is what it is) i can already see probably 20 issues that won't pass series homologation.
Finally, why are AML messing around with stuff like this? Spend the money on what you really need for a long term future, namely the DB11 and new Vantage. Hows about making THOSE cars class leading instead of settling for the usual "that'll do" standard??
Spot on. Knowledge versus horses"fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
"Quicker than an F1 car" er, seriously unlikely, even given free rein without regs, and as anyone who has driven a very quick single seater with massive aero will testify, they make TERRIBLE road cars. P1/918/LaLa all took significant performance compromises on-board in order to make the decent to drive on the road
Tyres - this is the big one, it won't be quicker than an F1 car on ROAD LEGAL tyres
Secret "Adrian Newey" sauce - yes he's a pretty dam good race car designer, but even he can't brake the laws of physics. A "practical" road car can never be F1 car low, which is what is required to make underfloor ground effect aero work. Low drag isn't enough, you need the massive ratio of downforce to mass that an F1 car has to pull high G.
Road Car Homologation - er, just looking at that styling buck (which is what it is) i can already see probably 20 issues that won't pass series homologation.
Finally, why are AML messing around with stuff like this? Spend the money on what you really need for a long term future, namely the DB11 and new Vantage. Hows about making THOSE cars class leading instead of settling for the usual "that'll do" standard??
t.MDL111 said:
In fairness though, if you buy this you probably already have a stable of cars catering to all different driving experiences you could want and this just adds a new dimension - basically being much faster than anything that came before it, exclusivity, adrian n name etc.
all good and peachy to want the most involving drivers car, but if you already have a 250 SWB, a 2.7 RS, a Carrera GT, a McL F1 and an MX5 or a similar combination of cars in your garage, then you are probably pretty well covered on the driver involvement
As I see it you dont really need an aero guru to build you sth with driver involvement - actually it might be detrimental as aero by definition works at speeds much too high for your weekend drive-out anyway
I like that your list includes the MX5 (see above, etc).all good and peachy to want the most involving drivers car, but if you already have a 250 SWB, a 2.7 RS, a Carrera GT, a McL F1 and an MX5 or a similar combination of cars in your garage, then you are probably pretty well covered on the driver involvement
As I see it you dont really need an aero guru to build you sth with driver involvement - actually it might be detrimental as aero by definition works at speeds much too high for your weekend drive-out anyway
anonymous said:
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Purely as a measurement of clearance, there is not much lower that I have owned. On the road going version it cannot be much lower, otherwise it will ground everywhere. The track variant will no doubt be of a very different construction in respect of the damping, despite the blurb.yonex said:
Purely as a measurement of clearance, there is not much lower that I have owned. On the road going version it cannot be much lower, otherwise it will ground everywhere. The track variant will no doubt be of a very different construction in respect of the damping, despite the blurb.
He's talking about the height of the body from the ground to the top of the roof! 
I bet the cooling dev team are currently looking at the design and going "WTF are we going to do with that?"............
(a pair of small side mount rads might work for an F1 car doing over 100mph, but any road car is going to need lot more airflow that seems to be available on this buck (have a look at 918/p1/lala for how much ducting and venting is required))
And 1000bhp from an NA V12. Whilst a race spec V12 with no emissions equipment could delver that power from round about 5 litres, anything that is road legal is going to need something like 9 litres, which makes it rather large and heavy.
I'd bet the only hybridisation turns out to be the electric reversing motor, as they won't be able to package (or afford) to do lots of trick 'lecy stuff on this car (and make it all work properly)
And looking at the side profile, packaging road legal headlamp units into those wings, which seem to have just a couple of inches of clearance from the front tyres, is going to be a nightmare! And of course, road cars need sensible steering lock, unlike race cars.
Basically, what they have designed is an illegal LMP1 car.......
(a pair of small side mount rads might work for an F1 car doing over 100mph, but any road car is going to need lot more airflow that seems to be available on this buck (have a look at 918/p1/lala for how much ducting and venting is required))
And 1000bhp from an NA V12. Whilst a race spec V12 with no emissions equipment could delver that power from round about 5 litres, anything that is road legal is going to need something like 9 litres, which makes it rather large and heavy.
I'd bet the only hybridisation turns out to be the electric reversing motor, as they won't be able to package (or afford) to do lots of trick 'lecy stuff on this car (and make it all work properly)
And looking at the side profile, packaging road legal headlamp units into those wings, which seem to have just a couple of inches of clearance from the front tyres, is going to be a nightmare! And of course, road cars need sensible steering lock, unlike race cars.
Basically, what they have designed is an illegal LMP1 car.......
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 5th July 22:24
RobDown said:
Damn I seem to have accidentally logged into the What Car? forum not Pistonheads judging by many of the comments above
Seriously guys; a car company wants to make a 900bhp, 900kg hypercar that might be as fast as an LMP1 and you're not in the least bit excited? Someone moaning that it wont make a good road car? Really, I mean really? Think you've all come to the wrong place
Seriously guys; a car company wants to make a 900bhp, 900kg hypercar that might be as fast as an LMP1 and you're not in the least bit excited? Someone moaning that it wont make a good road car? Really, I mean really? Think you've all come to the wrong place
All this "it looks like an Audi/Pagani/etc." nonsense... I mean to me it looks like Newey has borrowed all his ideas from Donald Campbell's Bluebird 
Perhaps they'll race in LMP1 at Le Mans? An you lot will moan?
kambites said:
RenOHH said:
While I can see how that might work in theory, look how far inboard the floor with the yellow stripe is going. It's practically at the centre line by the time it disappears behind the body side behind the front wheel. There's nowhere for the seat cushion, let alone legs.
If you look at the images from low down, directly in front, you can see the shape of the passenger cell. It's certainly not wide, but it's probably just about wide enough for two sets of feet if you don't mind a rather offset driving position:I'd guess looking at the pictures that interior dimension similar to, say, an Elise should be possible; albeit with the feet a good 6 inches higher.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 5th July 21:12
Max_Torque said:
I bet the cooling dev team are currently looking at the design and going "WTF are we going to do with that?"............
(a pair of small side mount rads might work for an F1 car doing over 100mph, but any road car is going to need lot more airflow that seems to be available on this buck (have a look at 918/p1/lala for how much ducting and venting is required))
I thought the same thing about cooling and it brought to mind the MP4-18.(a pair of small side mount rads might work for an F1 car doing over 100mph, but any road car is going to need lot more airflow that seems to be available on this buck (have a look at 918/p1/lala for how much ducting and venting is required))
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 5th July 22:24
The Veyron needed 10 radiators for 1000 bhp, you could remove the 3 coolers for the intercoolers (NA engine) and the air conditioning condenser (no a/c) but may still need the trans/diff/engine oil radiators to make it work, so that's 6 radiators to package and I can see few vents to do it!
There just seems to be those tiny vents in the side to bring in the cooling air, maybe some active flaps to cool using fans at low speed that close up at higher speed to give the aerodynamic performance? Adding weight though.
Overall though I love it-it looks lithe, low and futuristic and I like the sheer absurdity of the numbers. I hope they can pull it off-and if anyone can it's Adrian Newey!
There might be a clever trick to bring air from the underside through
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