RE: Revised Toyota GT86 on the way

RE: Revised Toyota GT86 on the way

Friday 8th July 2016

Revised Toyota GT86 on the way

Toyota justifies those racing dollars in the most PH way



They say racing improves the breed, not least when the same engineers who develop the road cars Monday to Friday carry out the racing at the weekend. Fans of the Nurburgring 24 Hours will know the Toyota Gazoo Racing GT86s are driven by employees, and now a revised GT86 using everything they learnt from the N24 is on the way.


Toyota's Tetsuya Tada is the chief engineer who looks after the GT86 and reckons the firm has "overhauled everything - as a result of technological feedback from the '86's participation in the 24 Hours of Nurburgring... the new '86 has been perfected to such an extent that, from the moment the steering wheel is gripped and the vehicle accelerates away, every driver will be able to recognise its evolution".

Phew. So what's changed? Well, stand down turbo fans, it still hasn't got one. The manual version does have a small power boost though (courtesy of work on inlet and exhaust manifold breathing); 207hp is produced at 7,000rpm, instead of the previous 200hp (every little counts). The manual also gets more torque, up from 151lb ft at 6,400-6,600rpm to 156lb ft at 6,400-6,800rpm. Like, woo-hoo. Toyota does say low-down torque is more linear though: we've yet to see the torque curve but are hopeful it's been swelled at real-world revs.


The god-awful automatic doesn't get these power and torque boosts, so right-minded sorts will of course still avoid the so-called '6 Super ECT' unit. There's something interesting here though: Toyota also lists a '6 SPDS' gearbox in the price list, of which it currently makes no mention of in the update details. SPDS is, a la Lexus IS F, 'sport direct shift', which in the rorty V8 uses torque converter lock-up in second gear and above to speed up shifts. It blips on downshifts as well, and has paddleshifts. Is this coming to the revised GT86 and might we at last consider something other than the manual? One to watch.

All that N24 action sees some typically detail changes to the GT86 - the sort of focused development that shows Toyota's still committed to this car. It's reworked the damper valve structure, for example, to improve steering stability; there are more spot welds on the rear pillars, with the rigidity improvement helping steering response and ride comfort. Optional Sachs dampers will be offered, for yet another gain in steering response.

Inside, Toyota has fitted the smallest steering wheel it's ever installed in a road car; the diameter is down to 362mm. And posh GT86s get a Porsche-style round TFT display sitting where the current fuel and temperature gauges sit. This has all sorts of GT-R-style displays, including G-force, power and torque curves, a stop watch plus oil temperature and volt meters. Dash quality is improved, it now has an all-black finish and there's a range of new trims offered. Oh, and the tacho has been twisted round so 7,000rpm is at 12 o'clock.


Because race engineers don't usually care what a car looks like, exterior changes aren't huge: new front bumper with a wider air intake, a bigger black applique for the rear bumper and LED tail lamps that have a fancier design. 'Bi-beam' LED headlights are standard for all JDM cars; here's hoping it's the same for UK cars.

Toyota GB tells us the revised GT86 will be on sale soon in Japan and we will be seeing a revised car here in the UK later in the year, although exact spec details haven't been finalised. Pretty much all of the above would be nice though, including a taste of that direct-shift auto. Fingers crossed one of the best is about to get better still.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ekona

Original Poster:

1,653 posts

202 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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I like how they've changed everything that didn't need changing, but left the bit oily bit up front that needed some grunt completely alone. wink

I do like the new dash though, definitely a step up.

Vee12V

1,332 posts

160 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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All these half baked updates. It's like they don't want it to sell.

CABC

5,575 posts

101 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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have to admire Tada's passion. It's a great formula and he's building on it. Many don't get it, that's fine.
LAST thing 86 needs is a turbo...

jjr1

3,023 posts

260 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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I had one of these for 2 years and 40k miles and deeply miss it. I might have to buy the new one which is very rare for me, to ever own two of the same cars in my car history.

5harp3y

1,942 posts

199 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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the wheels are still awful.

rear lights are a massive improvement

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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It's going to make 7 or 8 people in the UK very happy!

PorkInsider

5,888 posts

141 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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CABC said:
have to admire Tada's passion. It's a great formula and he's building on it. Many don't get it, that's fine.
LAST thing 86 needs is a turbo...
All fine... So long as they don't want to actually sell any of them.

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

218 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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Vee12V said:
All these half baked updates. It's like they don't want it to sell.
Did you not read the part about the introduction of the new gearbox? Hardly half baked is it!

skidskid

284 posts

141 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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Yawn. Get back to me when they`ve got rid of the tumble dryer under the bonnet.

rb5er

11,657 posts

172 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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200bhp still. Zzzzz.

CABC

5,575 posts

101 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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PorkInsider said:
All fine... So long as they don't want to actually sell any of them.
there not selling too badly in other markets, where they're less expensive too. Price is a uk issue.
There are plenty of fast cars on the market, mostly with stodgy, inert manners. So it's good to have the choice of something different. Handling.

by contrast i drove all the VXRs on track last week. Turbo'd suet puddings.

Engineers can do great things with today's tech but we're not getting many drivers' cars as a result because they're focused on safety and emissions legislation. Thank god Ariel, Zenos and even AM exist. And that Mazda made a lighter MX5 ;-)

generationx

6,736 posts

105 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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This has little or nothing to do with the Gazoo 24hr car.

vtecyo

2,122 posts

129 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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No turbo.

No sale.

Richard-G

1,675 posts

175 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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The driving position and feel of this car (ignoring interior quality, which is adequate) is second to none.

I drove a bog standard one on a test drive and the big winged trd version and they were both stunning to drive. Not fast but perfect for uk roads, ive got a fast car and you put your foot down in 3rd and your going to prison...

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

218 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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generationx said:
This has little or nothing to do with the Gazoo 24hr car.
Gearbox? The most significant update mentioned in the article....

bicycleshorts

1,939 posts

161 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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Disappointing to still see any thread about the Toyobaru descend into 200bhp not being enough for the road.

I guess all the people on the Mustang waiting list need something to do for the next 18 months.

generationx

6,736 posts

105 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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vz-r_dave said:
Gearbox? The most significant update mentioned in the article....
Nope - the race (and rally) GT86s use a Drenth gearkit.

Guvernator

13,152 posts

165 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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200bhp is a little low in today's world of 300bhp hot hatches but I could live with it. What I can't live with is the characterless nature of that engine. If it had a 200bhp Honda Vtec type unit which screamed to 8krpm it would be brilliant. A turbo version would be nice as an alternative choice for the power hungry but they really need to do something about the dull standard engine. The Cosworth tuning package livens it up considerably by all accounts, not sure why Toyobaru just don't offer something like that from the factory with a warranty.

Alex

9,975 posts

284 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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This feels like a marketing rather than engineering led update.

CABC

5,575 posts

101 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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Guvernator said:
200bhp is a little low in today's world of 300bhp hot hatches but I could live with it. What I can't live with is the characterless nature of that engine. If it had a 200bhp Honda Vtec type unit which screamed to 8krpm it would be brilliant. A turbo version would be nice as an alternative choice for the power hungry but they really need to do something about the dull standard engine. The Cosworth tuning package livens it up considerably by all accounts, not sure why Toyobaru just don't offer something like that from the factory with a warranty.
that's a better criticism. it works well 5 - 7.5k, which if you like NA cars and using the gearbox is fine, but before that it's a let down totally agree. A better exhaust would be a simple fix to the mood of the car if legislation permitted.