RE: Revised Toyota GT86 on the way
Discussion
Gary C said:
My 3.2 carrera has a very noticeable increase in torque at about 4K and really comes alive, great.
that probably has less torque than an 86 below 3.5k (don't quote me...)Edited by Gary C on Friday 8th July 16:08
in fact it's easy to stall when starting off. Take the badge off and release that car today it would panned as undriveable by today's Porsche drivers. Rewards come with effort. My kind of car....
I think the GT86 is great.
We need options like this in the market.
I test drove one and found it real fun, nice seating position, nice steering, and enough performance for the road. If you race people then maybe it's not enough, but that's not the point here and I'm not bothered. I'm happy enough driving for fun, and to be fair it is still a quick car even though the hot hatch performance bar has moved up a lot.
If you want more speed then buy another car, or spend some / lots of money on tuning.
For me, light N/A tuning is perfect for this car. Around 15 bhp is easy enough and reduces the mid range dip while adding some spice to the top end. But this gain is for fun, not to race hot hatches.
I'm surprised people say the engine has no character as most cars need intake or exhaust mods to release the character within. Boxer 4 cylinder and 7400 rpm! Considering it meets emissions tests it's very good.
We need options like this in the market.
I test drove one and found it real fun, nice seating position, nice steering, and enough performance for the road. If you race people then maybe it's not enough, but that's not the point here and I'm not bothered. I'm happy enough driving for fun, and to be fair it is still a quick car even though the hot hatch performance bar has moved up a lot.
If you want more speed then buy another car, or spend some / lots of money on tuning.
For me, light N/A tuning is perfect for this car. Around 15 bhp is easy enough and reduces the mid range dip while adding some spice to the top end. But this gain is for fun, not to race hot hatches.
I'm surprised people say the engine has no character as most cars need intake or exhaust mods to release the character within. Boxer 4 cylinder and 7400 rpm! Considering it meets emissions tests it's very good.
SlimJim16v said:
Watched the video and it needs the Cossie full stage one. £4k for what's basically an exhaust and remap is a bit much, so I'd be looking elsewhere first.
Reading the bit in bold was like a step back to the late 80s
Stage one for a remap and exhaust was less than £1k back then on your 200bhp car
Fensport and Abbey Motorsport are popular tuners for these. Better value than Cosworth too.
Great car for the twisties. Toyota set out to create a modern AE86, which they have done, and left it open for modification too. Shame the original AE86 did poorly in the UK.
I hope Toyota and Subaru carry on with the car for a long time yet, and also release the SFR.
Great car for the twisties. Toyota set out to create a modern AE86, which they have done, and left it open for modification too. Shame the original AE86 did poorly in the UK.
I hope Toyota and Subaru carry on with the car for a long time yet, and also release the SFR.
s m said:
SlimJim16v said:
Watched the video and it needs the Cossie full stage one. £4k for what's basically an exhaust and remap is a bit much, so I'd be looking elsewhere first.
Reading the bit in bold was like a step back to the late 80s
Stage one for a remap and exhaust was less than £1k back then on your 200bhp car
Gary C said:
s m said:
SlimJim16v said:
Watched the video and it needs the Cossie full stage one. £4k for what's basically an exhaust and remap is a bit much, so I'd be looking elsewhere first.
Reading the bit in bold was like a step back to the late 80s
Stage one for a remap and exhaust was less than £1k back then on your 200bhp car
Unless all you care about is being faster than anything else you meet on the road, the car has enough power to be great fun. It's the way it's delivered that's lacking with a big torque hole in midrange and a top end that just doesn't achieve that manic pitch that makes it feel fast and powerful. Even my Swift Sport feels more exciting despite the much lower power simply due to the delivery and top end sound.
It's not fair to say the toyobaru has a terrible engine as being N/A it does have good response and even sounds good when blipping on a downshift. But Toyota should have listened to the customer and worked on the issues above, even if it was just to make it sound better. If others can do it with inline four turbos (like the Focus ST) then Toyota have no excuses on that front.
It's not fair to say the toyobaru has a terrible engine as being N/A it does have good response and even sounds good when blipping on a downshift. But Toyota should have listened to the customer and worked on the issues above, even if it was just to make it sound better. If others can do it with inline four turbos (like the Focus ST) then Toyota have no excuses on that front.
The lack of straight line performance has nothing to do with racing anyone, including diesels, particularly on the road.
A bit of power helps a chassis shine, particularly a good one. Even more crucial on track where you do want to get to the challenging corners with a bit of momentum, which quite frankly, the GT86 is not very good at and frustrates.
Not everyone is happy with mods as they value the 5-year warranty. The way the engine is mapped is an embarrassment and should not need modifying. The engine is indeed terrible in my experience. And we're talking cross purposes here anyway, the engine doesn't have 200hp, probably 170hp, and it feels like 150hp. No exaggeration.
200ps would have been plenty indeed.
A bit of power helps a chassis shine, particularly a good one. Even more crucial on track where you do want to get to the challenging corners with a bit of momentum, which quite frankly, the GT86 is not very good at and frustrates.
Not everyone is happy with mods as they value the 5-year warranty. The way the engine is mapped is an embarrassment and should not need modifying. The engine is indeed terrible in my experience. And we're talking cross purposes here anyway, the engine doesn't have 200hp, probably 170hp, and it feels like 150hp. No exaggeration.
200ps would have been plenty indeed.
Hopefully the engine updates come to the UK. With updated exhaust and inlet manifolds, plus a little more peak bhp, I assume the mid range would be better, and the power should be nearer claims.
I have seen results of around 180 to 190 bhp on more realistic dynos. Mapping the car brings it to what it should be, so I agree the standard map must be poor. Maybe it's the long warranty, mpg and emmissions claims or safe worldwide climate conditions. Or all of those.
Evo mag had current version on a group test - July 2016 issue, article called Giant killers.
0-60 mph in 6.9
0-100 mph in 16.5
So regardless of power, it makes the performance numbers that it should.
I have seen results of around 180 to 190 bhp on more realistic dynos. Mapping the car brings it to what it should be, so I agree the standard map must be poor. Maybe it's the long warranty, mpg and emmissions claims or safe worldwide climate conditions. Or all of those.
Evo mag had current version on a group test - July 2016 issue, article called Giant killers.
0-60 mph in 6.9
0-100 mph in 16.5
So regardless of power, it makes the performance numbers that it should.
Tuvra said:
I had a GT86 for a month and couldn't wait to give it back. Dreadfully, dreadfully slow thing. I literally laughed out loud watching a 320D monstering me on twisty roads once, to make it worse he was actually slowing down to let me catch up and then doing it all over again. In fairness it may have been remapped 
Hmm perhaps herein lies the problem...you're too focused on comparing your cars speed with someone else's.Maybe you should stick to commenting on FI FWD cars...
I really like the GT86 and get where they are coming from with it. Its not about speed but my issue is that it is too heavy for what it is. With the new MX5 weighing 1000kg I think Toyota should have made it lighter.
I hope mazda build a proper coupe MX5 and offer it with the revy 1.5 or Toyota build the SFR concept.
Less weight is always better.
I also think that the GT86 is too expensive especially next to the MX5. There shoud be a sub £20k base spec.
I hope mazda build a proper coupe MX5 and offer it with the revy 1.5 or Toyota build the SFR concept.
Less weight is always better.
I also think that the GT86 is too expensive especially next to the MX5. There shoud be a sub £20k base spec.
Turning Japanese said:
I really like the GT86 and get where they are coming from with it. Its not about speed but my issue is that it is too heavy for what it is. With the new MX5 weighing 1000kg I think Toyota should have made it lighter.
I hope mazda build a proper coupe MX5 and offer it with the revy 1.5 or Toyota build the SFR concept.
Less weight is always better.
I also think that the GT86 is too expensive especially next to the MX5. There shoud be a sub £20k base spec.
i love light too.I hope mazda build a proper coupe MX5 and offer it with the revy 1.5 or Toyota build the SFR concept.
Less weight is always better.
I also think that the GT86 is too expensive especially next to the MX5. There shoud be a sub £20k base spec.
to be fair, it is a bigger, better daily than the mx5 and is more easily able to munch miles when needed. 86 is no GT car tho, thinner steel and glass and less deadening makes it noisier and it's more fidgety on rough roads. It feels more focused than an mx5. note, any lap times would be improved by fitting different rubber. The extra weight it does have is beautifully balanced too, that boxer sits low and you can appreciate the sharp turn-in because of that.
love the 5 too. and i would choose the 1.5 as the purists choice... shame the 1.5 doesn't have an lsd, it would still be useful even on the lower powered car.
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