RE: Ford Fiesta Red Edition: PH Carpool
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s m said:
I thought i'd heard that but only had a quick look at the configurator
You are 100% correct.The ST Line is the 5 door version of the Black/Red engine.
The Fiesta is being replaced next year so this is perhaps the last of the line for the current fiesta special editions.
Surely the new Fiesta will have the engine in both the 3/5 door for 2017.
VeeFource said:
Aren't you worried about voiding the warranty with the remap?
I looked into this car when I was weighing up whether to get the Swift Sport. In the end I couldn't see why anyone would unless they're ok with getting it remapped. The Swift is just as economical in the real world (I'm actually averaging low 40s despite driving very enthusiastically), is more willing to rev, has sharper response being N/A, has better brakes (rear discs vs drums on the Fiesta), sportier suspension, is a little lighter, has HIDs and is likely to be more reliable due to not being as stressed, complicated or having direct injection (no manifold clogging).
That said I can see the appeal of the fiesta if you prefer low and torque and 3 cylinders can sound great with a good induction setup. Don't get me wrong it's a fantastic car, just can't see much of a case over the Swift.
Because some people don't want to drive a Suzuki and don't like the jap interiors with all its hard plastics , or they dont like twin exhausts on a hatchback with 4 cylinders orrrrrrrr dont want a car with SPORT written all over it or dont want a 1.6 that only produces 134 bhp and only does a claimed 40mpg.I looked into this car when I was weighing up whether to get the Swift Sport. In the end I couldn't see why anyone would unless they're ok with getting it remapped. The Swift is just as economical in the real world (I'm actually averaging low 40s despite driving very enthusiastically), is more willing to rev, has sharper response being N/A, has better brakes (rear discs vs drums on the Fiesta), sportier suspension, is a little lighter, has HIDs and is likely to be more reliable due to not being as stressed, complicated or having direct injection (no manifold clogging).
That said I can see the appeal of the fiesta if you prefer low and torque and 3 cylinders can sound great with a good induction setup. Don't get me wrong it's a fantastic car, just can't see much of a case over the Swift.
I suggest you to some research on other parts of the forum about the 1.0 ecoboost engine as there is a tendency to presume that the engine is "highly stressed" or complicated.
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Interesting reading.
The 1.0l cars are extremely popular here in NL due to tax reasons (indeed we have one).
Looking on Autotrader there are 100s of examples at 3-4 years old with 130-150k miles on the clock.
I'd suggest that the failure rate on these engines is probably no higher or lower than any other car... its just that we are pre-conditioned to 'jump' on the reports, because as PHers, that's what we are expecting.
FWIW (touch wood) we are very happy with our Focus (125ps version) it's now 18months old with nearly 30k kms on the clock and has thus far been completely reliable, which I am sure will be the story for 99.9% of owners.
The 1.0l cars are extremely popular here in NL due to tax reasons (indeed we have one).
Looking on Autotrader there are 100s of examples at 3-4 years old with 130-150k miles on the clock.
I'd suggest that the failure rate on these engines is probably no higher or lower than any other car... its just that we are pre-conditioned to 'jump' on the reports, because as PHers, that's what we are expecting.
FWIW (touch wood) we are very happy with our Focus (125ps version) it's now 18months old with nearly 30k kms on the clock and has thus far been completely reliable, which I am sure will be the story for 99.9% of owners.
GTIAlex said:
AH33 said:
34mpg out of a 1l is w
k surely?
This guy must drive like a bit of an arse because mine averages 48mpg in stop start traffic and had 64.2mpg on the motorway.k surely?Maybe I had a bad one but I'm glad I'm no longer in it, it also put me off ever having an ST and has kind of put me off Ford as every experience I've had with a Ford has ended negatively. If others like them then that's cool!
GTIAlex said:
VeeFource said:
Aren't you worried about voiding the warranty with the remap?
I looked into this car when I was weighing up whether to get the Swift Sport. In the end I couldn't see why anyone would unless they're ok with getting it remapped. The Swift is just as economical in the real world (I'm actually averaging low 40s despite driving very enthusiastically), is more willing to rev, has sharper response being N/A, has better brakes (rear discs vs drums on the Fiesta), sportier suspension, is a little lighter, has HIDs and is likely to be more reliable due to not being as stressed, complicated or having direct injection (no manifold clogging).
That said I can see the appeal of the fiesta if you prefer low and torque and 3 cylinders can sound great with a good induction setup. Don't get me wrong it's a fantastic car, just can't see much of a case over the Swift.
Because some people don't want to drive a Suzuki and don't like the jap interiors with all its hard plastics , or they dont like twin exhausts on a hatchback with 4 cylinders orrrrrrrr dont want a car with SPORT written all over it or dont want a 1.6 that only produces 134 bhp and only does a claimed 40mpg.I looked into this car when I was weighing up whether to get the Swift Sport. In the end I couldn't see why anyone would unless they're ok with getting it remapped. The Swift is just as economical in the real world (I'm actually averaging low 40s despite driving very enthusiastically), is more willing to rev, has sharper response being N/A, has better brakes (rear discs vs drums on the Fiesta), sportier suspension, is a little lighter, has HIDs and is likely to be more reliable due to not being as stressed, complicated or having direct injection (no manifold clogging).
That said I can see the appeal of the fiesta if you prefer low and torque and 3 cylinders can sound great with a good induction setup. Don't get me wrong it's a fantastic car, just can't see much of a case over the Swift.
I suggest you to some research on other parts of the forum about the 1.0 ecoboost engine as there is a tendency to presume that the engine is "highly stressed" or complicated.
It’s a fair point about the fiesta’s interior being slightly better, so I could understand if that swayed it for someone. But I’m not so fussed about interiors and feel it’s a small price to pay for all the other plusses the Swift offers. Also bucket seats and a decent leather trimmed steering wheel are what counts more in my view than dash materials and both of these are superior in the Swift.
I also forgot to include the bonus of the 6 speed box with shorter ratios in the Swift as another big plus in it’s favour.
I had a series of hire cars including the 125bhp Zetec S while my 1 Series was in the garage.
The fiesta was an absolutely great car. It had just about enough power to moderately entertain and the handling was absolutely spot on - so much confidence in that chassis. Really involving drive and most PHers would be pleasantly surprised!
I had a Polo following the Fiesta and the nicer interior couldn't make up for the terrible handling in comparison.
The fiesta was an absolutely great car. It had just about enough power to moderately entertain and the handling was absolutely spot on - so much confidence in that chassis. Really involving drive and most PHers would be pleasantly surprised!
I had a Polo following the Fiesta and the nicer interior couldn't make up for the terrible handling in comparison.
VeeFource said:
GTIAlex said:
VeeFource said:
Aren't you worried about voiding the warranty with the remap?
I looked into this car when I was weighing up whether to get the Swift Sport. In the end I couldn't see why anyone would unless they're ok with getting it remapped. The Swift is just as economical in the real world (I'm actually averaging low 40s despite driving very enthusiastically), is more willing to rev, has sharper response being N/A, has better brakes (rear discs vs drums on the Fiesta), sportier suspension, is a little lighter, has HIDs and is likely to be more reliable due to not being as stressed, complicated or having direct injection (no manifold clogging).
That said I can see the appeal of the fiesta if you prefer low and torque and 3 cylinders can sound great with a good induction setup. Don't get me wrong it's a fantastic car, just can't see much of a case over the Swift.
Because some people don't want to drive a Suzuki and don't like the jap interiors with all its hard plastics , or they dont like twin exhausts on a hatchback with 4 cylinders orrrrrrrr dont want a car with SPORT written all over it or dont want a 1.6 that only produces 134 bhp and only does a claimed 40mpg.I looked into this car when I was weighing up whether to get the Swift Sport. In the end I couldn't see why anyone would unless they're ok with getting it remapped. The Swift is just as economical in the real world (I'm actually averaging low 40s despite driving very enthusiastically), is more willing to rev, has sharper response being N/A, has better brakes (rear discs vs drums on the Fiesta), sportier suspension, is a little lighter, has HIDs and is likely to be more reliable due to not being as stressed, complicated or having direct injection (no manifold clogging).
That said I can see the appeal of the fiesta if you prefer low and torque and 3 cylinders can sound great with a good induction setup. Don't get me wrong it's a fantastic car, just can't see much of a case over the Swift.
I suggest you to some research on other parts of the forum about the 1.0 ecoboost engine as there is a tendency to presume that the engine is "highly stressed" or complicated.
It’s a fair point about the fiesta’s interior being slightly better, so I could understand if that swayed it for someone. But I’m not so fussed about interiors and feel it’s a small price to pay for all the other plusses the Swift offers. Also bucket seats and a decent leather trimmed steering wheel are what counts more in my view than dash materials and both of these are superior in the Swift.
I also forgot to include the bonus of the 6 speed box with shorter ratios in the Swift as another big plus in it’s favour.
mnx42 said:
I am averaging 47.2 mpg in my Swift Sport (quite a way from 40mpg) in mixed driving. Yes plastics are hard but the rest of the car and the way it drives are excellent.
That's about what I average too when driving normally cross-country. Claimed mpg figures for turbo petrols are very misleading, especially for performance models because the mpg absolutely plummets if you're using the turbo frequently. It's frustrating we're losing lovely n/a engines to this ridiculously unrealistic test which is misrepresentative of emissions as well as economy.SteveS Cup said:
I'm fairly sure the best I saw from a tank of V Power (why I bothered with V Power is beyond me, it's just a habit) was 300 miles. I usually saw around 270 from brim to fuel light. That was something else that bothered me as I had to fill up every 3-4 days.
Maybe I had a bad one...
I'd suggest that car had a fault somewhere: I've driven the range & struggled to get anywhere close to that poor from any of them. From fuel light is easily 50 miles worth, (so a gallon or so), even so, something's wrong. Not sure why you'd bother with V Power either, unless you're after the points...?Maybe I had a bad one...
GTIAlex said:
This guy must drive like a bit of an arse because mine averages 48mpg in stop start traffic and had 64.2mpg on the motorway.
Perhaps. I drive like an arse in my VXR Corsa and get better than 34. Saying that, when I was driving a 0.9 twingo courtesy car I did no better than 33mpg because I had to thrash it everywhere to keep up with traffic.MarkwG said:
I'd suggest that car had a fault somewhere: I've driven the range & struggled to get anywhere close to that poor from any of them. From fuel light is easily 50 miles worth, (so a gallon or so), even so, something's wrong. Not sure why you'd bother with V Power either, unless you're after the points...?
The manual states that for optimum performance and economy it should be run on 98RON. I presume the official economy figures are based on using Super Unleaded, rather than standard.
Bit of shame that the Swift and Red Edition have never been tested back to back (not that I've seen!). This was the chance to do it:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/compari...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/compari...
mnx42 said:
VeeFource said:
GTIAlex said:
VeeFource said:
Aren't you worried about voiding the warranty with the remap?
I looked into this car when I was weighing up whether to get the Swift Sport. In the end I couldn't see why anyone would unless they're ok with getting it remapped. The Swift is just as economical in the real world (I'm actually averaging low 40s despite driving very enthusiastically), is more willing to rev, has sharper response being N/A, has better brakes (rear discs vs drums on the Fiesta), sportier suspension, is a little lighter, has HIDs and is likely to be more reliable due to not being as stressed, complicated or having direct injection (no manifold clogging).
That said I can see the appeal of the fiesta if you prefer low and torque and 3 cylinders can sound great with a good induction setup. Don't get me wrong it's a fantastic car, just can't see much of a case over the Swift.
Because some people don't want to drive a Suzuki and don't like the jap interiors with all its hard plastics , or they dont like twin exhausts on a hatchback with 4 cylinders orrrrrrrr dont want a car with SPORT written all over it or dont want a 1.6 that only produces 134 bhp and only does a claimed 40mpg.I looked into this car when I was weighing up whether to get the Swift Sport. In the end I couldn't see why anyone would unless they're ok with getting it remapped. The Swift is just as economical in the real world (I'm actually averaging low 40s despite driving very enthusiastically), is more willing to rev, has sharper response being N/A, has better brakes (rear discs vs drums on the Fiesta), sportier suspension, is a little lighter, has HIDs and is likely to be more reliable due to not being as stressed, complicated or having direct injection (no manifold clogging).
That said I can see the appeal of the fiesta if you prefer low and torque and 3 cylinders can sound great with a good induction setup. Don't get me wrong it's a fantastic car, just can't see much of a case over the Swift.
I suggest you to some research on other parts of the forum about the 1.0 ecoboost engine as there is a tendency to presume that the engine is "highly stressed" or complicated.
It’s a fair point about the fiesta’s interior being slightly better, so I could understand if that swayed it for someone. But I’m not so fussed about interiors and feel it’s a small price to pay for all the other plusses the Swift offers. Also bucket seats and a decent leather trimmed steering wheel are what counts more in my view than dash materials and both of these are superior in the Swift.
I also forgot to include the bonus of the 6 speed box with shorter ratios in the Swift as another big plus in it’s favour.
Honestly, the Red/Black falls down due to the gearbox. They seemed to skimp on the box. Rather than fitting a 6spd out of the focus/fiesta st, they fitted a 5spd and chose to torque limit it from 1st-2nd. Also leads to a bit of a buzzy motorway trip meaning to get the higher MPG you really do have to sit with the lorries.
I love the concept of a pokey 3 cylinder engine that really does shift up the road nicely, makes a great throaty noise and has great tuning potential if that is your type of thing.
I just enjoy it, blatting to work, nipping around to the shops but also does have a fantastic chassis when doing some 'proper' driving.
Been up North Wales a number of times and it really does exceed expectations. Coming from a Clio 182, I wasn't left dissapointed and had more than enough grunt and composure to keep up with the Clio 172 I was driving with.
IanCress said:
The manual states that for optimum performance and economy it should be run on 98RON.
I presume the official economy figures are based on using Super Unleaded, rather than standard.
Not in my handbook, or on the fuel filler flap: it states minimum 95 RON which is normal unleaded. I'd expect the official figures to be based on normal fuel.I presume the official economy figures are based on using Super Unleaded, rather than standard.
We see about 35 mpg locally with a heavy right foot, at high speed on the motorway, fully laded with a terms full of Uni stuff and two of us, packed to the brim saw 42, gentler and less laden motorway runs it hits 50 mpg.
It is remapped to 140 ish bhp, the Bluefin remap basically makes it like a more aggressive 140 bhp model, it is pretty rapid really for what it is.
Going to get another, my son wants to get a red or Black, there is also a an St Line now that can be had with the 140 bhp engine.
It is remapped to 140 ish bhp, the Bluefin remap basically makes it like a more aggressive 140 bhp model, it is pretty rapid really for what it is.
Going to get another, my son wants to get a red or Black, there is also a an St Line now that can be had with the 140 bhp engine.
J4CKO said:
Going to get another, my son wants to get a red or Black, there is also a an St Line now that can be had with the 140 bhp engine.
Yes, the 5-door ST-Line looks interesting with the 140 engine - the normal ST with 5-doors would be great but unlike the U.S. We don't get it hereGassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff