These prices can not be real or buying a car in Turkey
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My brother in law lives over there and we often talk about this.
1) He is a German performance car fan so is almost reduced to tears every time I mention we can buy things like fairly new BMW M cars and AMG's etc for less than £20k when the equivalent cars cost about 4 times that in Turkey.
2) If you could find a way to legitimately import said cars to Turkey without paying the massive import duty, you'd be very rich, very quickly.
Unfortunately they seem to have it sewn up tight, in fact he mentioned a very famous Turkish national footballer actually did jail time for importing a car from Germany without paying the import tax.
1) He is a German performance car fan so is almost reduced to tears every time I mention we can buy things like fairly new BMW M cars and AMG's etc for less than £20k when the equivalent cars cost about 4 times that in Turkey.
2) If you could find a way to legitimately import said cars to Turkey without paying the massive import duty, you'd be very rich, very quickly.
Unfortunately they seem to have it sewn up tight, in fact he mentioned a very famous Turkish national footballer actually did jail time for importing a car from Germany without paying the import tax.
I feel your pain OP. I'm in Norway and this is something I go through on a monthly basis when we decide that it's time to change the car. I look at the Norwegian equivelant of Autotrader/Gumtree and after countless hours of research into something that would fit my requirements a grown man is nearly reduced to tears when you realise that there is no such thing a affordable semi hot/performance hatch/saloon in Norway. Repeat this every month or two.
Fancy an E38 M5? A 141k miler from 1999 will set you back 29k (pounds).
Our first car when we moved here was a 2004 R53 Cooper S, 140,000km and cost us just over 9k (pounds).
A brand new Golf R is nearly 70k(pounds) OR a mk 4 R32 with over 100k miles is 30k(pounds)
I could go on forever giving you examples but I'll just end up getting pissed off and depressed about the car situation out here. It's really not good
Fancy an E38 M5? A 141k miler from 1999 will set you back 29k (pounds).
Our first car when we moved here was a 2004 R53 Cooper S, 140,000km and cost us just over 9k (pounds).
A brand new Golf R is nearly 70k(pounds) OR a mk 4 R32 with over 100k miles is 30k(pounds)
I could go on forever giving you examples but I'll just end up getting pissed off and depressed about the car situation out here. It's really not good
Edited by NordicCrankShaft on Wednesday 13th July 17:20
NordicCrankShaft said:
I feel your pain OP. I'm in Norway and this is something I go through on a monthly basis when we decide that it's time to change the car. I look at the Norwegian equivelant of Autotrader/Gumtree and after countless hours of research into something that would fit my requirements a grown man is nearly reduced to tears when you realise that there is no such thing a affordable semi hot/performance hatch/saloon in Norway. Repeat this every month or two.
Fancy an E38 M5? A 141k miler from 1999 will set you back 29k (pounds).
Our first car when we moved here was a 204 R53 Cooper S, 140,000km and cost us just over 9k (pounds).
A brand new Gold R is nearly 70k(pounds) OR a mk 4 R32 with over 100k miles is 30k(pounds)
I could go on forever giving you examples but I'll just end up getting pissed off and depressed about the car situation out here. It's really not good
All due to import taxes. And of course the Norwiegian model of EU membership is being widely touted as a Brexit outcome scenario. Fancy an E38 M5? A 141k miler from 1999 will set you back 29k (pounds).
Our first car when we moved here was a 204 R53 Cooper S, 140,000km and cost us just over 9k (pounds).
A brand new Gold R is nearly 70k(pounds) OR a mk 4 R32 with over 100k miles is 30k(pounds)
I could go on forever giving you examples but I'll just end up getting pissed off and depressed about the car situation out here. It's really not good
tektas said:
WOW!! My £8,000.00 car is somehow worth £78,000.00 in Turkey!!CS Garth said:
All due to import taxes. And of course the Norwiegian model of EU membership is being widely touted as a Brexit outcome scenario.
The second "problem" are the comparably low incomes here due to the Lira being so weak.I mean you can have an income of 3500 Lira here and woould live a good life and you would not miss a thing. Except for when it comes to cars.
E.G. a E93 330d. In Germany, for someone earning 1500€ / month, which isnt a lot, this is the equivalent of 10-11 salaries.
In Turkey this car, for said 3500 Lira man (which is quite a good salary here as said) the E93 330d would be the equivalent of 40-45 months of salaries.
So there lies the real amplifier for the problem.
Joe5y said:
WOW!! My £8,000.00 car is somehow worth £78,000.00 in Turkey!!
May I ask which car are we talking about?Trust me, you are not the first one to think of that.
But it is damn near impossible or at least not profitable.
There is a "special tax" called the ÖTV.
It is as below:
Cars below 1.6 liters: 45%
Cars between 1.6-2.0L 90%
Cars above 2L 145%.
Add to that 18% VAT and the car costs basically the same as here.
But it is damn near impossible or at least not profitable.
There is a "special tax" called the ÖTV.
It is as below:
Cars below 1.6 liters: 45%
Cars between 1.6-2.0L 90%
Cars above 2L 145%.
Add to that 18% VAT and the car costs basically the same as here.
NordicCrankShaft said:
I feel your pain OP. I'm in Norway and this is something I go through on a monthly basis when we decide that it's time to change the car. I look at the Norwegian equivelant of Autotrader/Gumtree and after countless hours of research into something that would fit my requirements a grown man is nearly reduced to tears when you realise that there is no such thing a affordable semi hot/performance hatch/saloon in Norway. Repeat this every month or two.
Our first car when we moved here was a 2004 R53 Cooper S, 140,000km and cost us just over 9k (pounds).
I love all sorts of completely different cars, for completely different reasons. Each does something better (or worse) than another. Each is a tool for a certain job. Each can be enjoyed in different ways.Our first car when we moved here was a 2004 R53 Cooper S, 140,000km and cost us just over 9k (pounds).
In your situation it may not be possible to get a super fast saloon. Therefore I would stop looking. Instead I'd get in touch with my love of lightweight, simple, pure fun hatches. Just like your mini in fact. If I had spare funds I'd simply tune it up more and more. Enjoy it for what it is. That small car will do things no large AMG ever will.
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Similar thing here in NL.
£38K Mustang V8 in the UK..... €120k here, and that's within the EU just 200km away....
The UK is actually a fantastic place to run, buy and drive a car, despite what a lot of short sighted posters on here will tell you.
and funnily enough I bet the same Mustang will be buttons in the USA, along with very cheap petrol ! £38K Mustang V8 in the UK..... €120k here, and that's within the EU just 200km away....
The UK is actually a fantastic place to run, buy and drive a car, despite what a lot of short sighted posters on here will tell you.
I could of course go local 
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nope, not gonna do that..
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nope, not gonna do that..
Schermerhorn said:
Just drive to Turkey and sell them?
Nope, not possible.The car would be seized after a certain period. Every car you take with you will be entered into your passport, so you would have to be able to explain why you came with your car but leave without it....repeatedly.
tektas said:
Trust me, you are not the first one to think of that.
But it is damn near impossible or at least not profitable.
There is a "special tax" called the ÖTV.
It is as below:
Cars below 1.6 liters: 45%
Cars between 1.6-2.0L 90%
Cars above 2L 145%.
Add to that 18% VAT and the car costs basically the same as here.
Is that tax on the invoice price or how do they work out what to base the OTV on? For cars smaller than 1.6 litres, it still seems like it might be worth it?But it is damn near impossible or at least not profitable.
There is a "special tax" called the ÖTV.
It is as below:
Cars below 1.6 liters: 45%
Cars between 1.6-2.0L 90%
Cars above 2L 145%.
Add to that 18% VAT and the car costs basically the same as here.
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