These prices can not be real or buying a car in Turkey
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My old man lives in Turkey and we are over there a lot. There's one good reason people don't drive convertibles - its just too hot sometimes. A tin roof and good a/c is essential.
Car of choice seems to be the Dacia's - he has a Dusta and a Stepway - very capable and cheap cars. Or go local and get a Tofas! They'll go places a Range couldn't get!
Only convertibles we see are generally very old BMW's and the odd old Astra...
Car of choice seems to be the Dacia's - he has a Dusta and a Stepway - very capable and cheap cars. Or go local and get a Tofas! They'll go places a Range couldn't get!
Only convertibles we see are generally very old BMW's and the odd old Astra...
A Tofaş would be some sort of interesting as a project car, since its RWD and quite light.
But as a daily? Not my kind of tea.
As for Dacia's...
the thing is, I do not "need" a car. We have one in the family that I can use whenever I want so the car I will be buying will be strictly for fun.
Yearly mileage will be something around 4-7000 miles.
But as a daily? Not my kind of tea.
As for Dacia's...
the thing is, I do not "need" a car. We have one in the family that I can use whenever I want so the car I will be buying will be strictly for fun.
Yearly mileage will be something around 4-7000 miles.
austinsmirk said:
If I'm correct, the British buy more convertibles than any other country/countries combined in Europe.
I think its our hopeless optimism about the weather.
My experience of Europe and warm countries is you actually don't want a soft top: you want to be in yr car with the air- con at full tilt, keeping you calm in 30 degree + heat.
what this man says.,. I don't go anywhere in my convertible if it's over 30c because it won't be a comfortable ride At ALL!I think its our hopeless optimism about the weather.
My experience of Europe and warm countries is you actually don't want a soft top: you want to be in yr car with the air- con at full tilt, keeping you calm in 30 degree + heat.
20-30c range is just perfect however, 95% of the time it's in that range here.
owning a convertible in UK however? what's the point?
itaa said:
what this man says.,. I don't go anywhere in my convertible if it's over 30c because it won't be a comfortable ride At ALL!
20-30c range is just perfect however, 95% of the time it's in that range here.
owning a convertible in UK however? what's the point?
We have 20 degrees+ days fairly consistently through July and August. So if your vehicle is more than just a commuting box then it can be fun to own one. The good ones are still good in the winter too.20-30c range is just perfect however, 95% of the time it's in that range here.
owning a convertible in UK however? what's the point?
The weather on average is about 10 degrees hotter in Turkey though and it's consistently hot too, not many cool days in summer. Not seen many convertibles at all whenever I've gone out there. I agree with others, contrary as it seems, you may find the weather is too hot for a convertible.
This is a genuinely fascinating thread, it seems my 6 year old 335i would be about £40k (if not more) in Turkey! That really is a lot of dosh, more than a brand new model in the UK.
With those taxes I would be looking at the cleanest volvo c70 I could find, or buy a knackered BMW 330i / Mercedes CLK etc for buttons and use the budget to restore them to good condition. Would mean you could end up with a nicer car for less money. I guess this system encourages motorists to keep their cars going for ever rather than to replace them.
With those taxes I would be looking at the cleanest volvo c70 I could find, or buy a knackered BMW 330i / Mercedes CLK etc for buttons and use the budget to restore them to good condition. Would mean you could end up with a nicer car for less money. I guess this system encourages motorists to keep their cars going for ever rather than to replace them.
You could look at it another way. If you are wasting so much money on just tax, do you also want to end up with a car which could be a money pit as well? Old German performance cars will not be cheap to keep in perfect order. So I'd actually think about something simple and Japanese instead. At least you wont be spending out on the car for issues.
k-ink said:
These countries with insane import tax have the right conditions to start manufacturing their own cars. Or doing a deal with an established manufacturer to make an assembly plant there. Exactly what the UK needs to do more of.
I hope not. I've lived in Brazil where the tax rates on imported cars are also 100%. Cars manufactured in Brazil aren't subject to this. You have Ford, Chevrolet, Fiat and VW as the main players manufacturing in the country. What you get is them producing cars on platforms that are 10 years out of date and tarting them up slightly with newer style lights. Due to the cost of imported cars, there is no competition, all the manufacturers take the piss and sell them for slightly less than an imported equivalent would be.
Cars built in Brazil must be the most profitable for the manufacturers, cheap labour, old technology and they sell for twice the price they are in the US. Even things like ABS and airbags are optional extras. It's a disgrace really.
I can not be given a car as a present, unfortunately. Otherwise that loophole would have been used.
The cars manufactured here are rather dull. Think of the likes of Fiat Linea, Fiat Egea, Ford Transit Connect.... nothing a petrolhead wants.
Regarding the convertible issue:
We had 38-41C last weekend and it was thoroughly unbearable in the sun. That lead to me questioning how much fun I will be having with a convertible. Although one could argue that since e.g. the C70 is a steel drop top it would still serve as a sleek coupe when the top is up. So there's that.
On the matter of the political state of Turkey:
Yes it appears there was a attempted takeover from a small group within the military which was shot down 3-4 hours later. The country is on its way back to "normal".
Here where I live, some 25km away from Istanbul it was a night like all the others. If you had not turned on the news, you would not have known anything.
The cars manufactured here are rather dull. Think of the likes of Fiat Linea, Fiat Egea, Ford Transit Connect.... nothing a petrolhead wants.
Regarding the convertible issue:
We had 38-41C last weekend and it was thoroughly unbearable in the sun. That lead to me questioning how much fun I will be having with a convertible. Although one could argue that since e.g. the C70 is a steel drop top it would still serve as a sleek coupe when the top is up. So there's that.
On the matter of the political state of Turkey:
Yes it appears there was a attempted takeover from a small group within the military which was shot down 3-4 hours later. The country is on its way back to "normal".
Here where I live, some 25km away from Istanbul it was a night like all the others. If you had not turned on the news, you would not have known anything.
OP I cannot help you im your plight but I did click on that link to "Turkish Autotrader" and searched for my car on there...
My daily is a 2002 Astra G 1.6 8v Club. Mine is probably worth £400 as it is battered and bruised but even a mint sensible miler is £1k tops.
On that Sahibinden site, I found a 2000 model with 265k kms on the clock and it said 27300 TL (a few other models were also around this price)... I then did the exchange rate to find that equates to just shy of £7000!!! What on earth, that is some crazy pricing!
My daily is a 2002 Astra G 1.6 8v Club. Mine is probably worth £400 as it is battered and bruised but even a mint sensible miler is £1k tops.
On that Sahibinden site, I found a 2000 model with 265k kms on the clock and it said 27300 TL (a few other models were also around this price)... I then did the exchange rate to find that equates to just shy of £7000!!! What on earth, that is some crazy pricing!
Cars do not depreciate to anywhere near the same extent over there for several reasons.
1) The Turkish currency is rather weak and inflation is high. This means goods, even depreciating assets like cars are usually far more valuable then cash in the bank.
2) They don't throw old stuff away, usually because they can't afford to. They haven't fully embraced the Western disposable goods mindset.
3) Labour is very cheap and they still retain manual skill-sets which means it it far more economically viable to keep cars on the road for longer. You can also almost always find someone who can fix ANYTHING and I really mean fix rather than just replace parts.
As an example my BiL just got his E class Mercedes fully resprayed and some interior bits including the complete headlining replaced for less than £1000. The car looks like new.
4) New cars are very expensive due to import laws. Locally made cars are a bit cheaper but aren't very good so again more incentive to keep older cars on the road.
1) The Turkish currency is rather weak and inflation is high. This means goods, even depreciating assets like cars are usually far more valuable then cash in the bank.
2) They don't throw old stuff away, usually because they can't afford to. They haven't fully embraced the Western disposable goods mindset.
3) Labour is very cheap and they still retain manual skill-sets which means it it far more economically viable to keep cars on the road for longer. You can also almost always find someone who can fix ANYTHING and I really mean fix rather than just replace parts.
As an example my BiL just got his E class Mercedes fully resprayed and some interior bits including the complete headlining replaced for less than £1000. The car looks like new.
4) New cars are very expensive due to import laws. Locally made cars are a bit cheaper but aren't very good so again more incentive to keep older cars on the road.
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