Communicating with self-driving car
Discussion
AH33 said:
otolith said:
People prefer private transport. It's more convenient, it goes where you are going when you are going, you don't have to share it with the filthy masses, and outside of the major conurbations, it actually exists in a reliable and usable form.
Isn't that just a taxi?You'd need to share your google pod with others in the same way.
Why wouldn't you own an autonomous car just like you'd own a normal car? There are a lot of people in the industry who think that car sharing as you describe will be a big thing, but it seems to me that many people will still want an autonomous car of their own, just like they now have a manual car of their own. It's not as if the nation's vehicle fleet consists of impractical pure driving machines which are pointless if you don't drive them yourself. A Citroen Picasso would be hugely better without a driving seat.
I'd fully expect the majority of self driving cars to get hacked at some point in their life time, security is always compromised by cost/time. How long and how widespread these hacks are I don't know, but it will be interesting if apps appear that let you mess with another car such as changing the music on the stereo, altering their sat nav destination, opening the windows, reducing the max speed, etc. Obviously you could then take that too far and deliberately cause an accident. Interesting times ahead.
If we had sensible policies from the likes of the EU they would be forcing all the car manufacturers to work to the same standards and make sure the cars communicate to each other rather than competing standards that do not and even potentially interfere with other. That way all the other cars know that you are coming off at the next junction and clear space for you. Obviously this will be abused by the rich much like the blue lights in Moscow.
If we had sensible policies from the likes of the EU they would be forcing all the car manufacturers to work to the same standards and make sure the cars communicate to each other rather than competing standards that do not and even potentially interfere with other. That way all the other cars know that you are coming off at the next junction and clear space for you. Obviously this will be abused by the rich much like the blue lights in Moscow.
Chris944 said:
I can flash my lights and sound my horn to attract the attention of another driver in the roads today. Will that work with automated, self-driving cars?
If I'm in lane 2 on a dual carriageway with a self-driving car ahead and want to overtake it, and think there is space in lane 1 for it to move into, will a flash of my lights prompt it to move over? What do I do if it doesn't move over?
Which gets me thinking...
- Will it be safe to undertake a self-driving car?
- How would a self-driving car respond to tail-gating (which is a form of communication)
- Should self-driving cars carry visible "self-driving car" signs to alert other drivers?
I'm interested to understand what other pistonheaded people think.
Chris.
A self driving car should stick to the rules of the road. Therefore the situation should not occur that it is lane 2 when there is room in lane 1.If I'm in lane 2 on a dual carriageway with a self-driving car ahead and want to overtake it, and think there is space in lane 1 for it to move into, will a flash of my lights prompt it to move over? What do I do if it doesn't move over?
Which gets me thinking...
- Will it be safe to undertake a self-driving car?
- How would a self-driving car respond to tail-gating (which is a form of communication)
- Should self-driving cars carry visible "self-driving car" signs to alert other drivers?
I'm interested to understand what other pistonheaded people think.
Chris.
AH33 said:
Isn't that just a taxi?
You'd need to share your google pod with others in the same way.
Cost for me to get from the nearest town to home:You'd need to share your google pod with others in the same way.
Car: £5-£7
Taxi: £35-£40
Most people need a car and most of those could take or leave driving. There is a huge market for self driving cars. I find myself wishing for one every time I have to drive on a motorway.
Edited by SteveSteveson on Tuesday 12th July 19:13
Do you not think self-drive will incur costs? I imagine it'll be the slowest vehicle out there if it's adhering to speed limits?
The disabled, blind etc point is an emotive one but people in those groups enjoy the interaction with drivers. I can see local authorities being forced to use driverless services though. Especially as government schemes and cost saving initiative.
I can't see the majority of folk giving up control. Especially when they're being passed by people in their regular cars.
Either way, it should be fun to watch.
The disabled, blind etc point is an emotive one but people in those groups enjoy the interaction with drivers. I can see local authorities being forced to use driverless services though. Especially as government schemes and cost saving initiative.
I can't see the majority of folk giving up control. Especially when they're being passed by people in their regular cars.
Either way, it should be fun to watch.
e21Mark said:
I still don't see why we want or need self driving cars? I know the likes of Google tell us we need them but they've got a vested interest. Isn't this all just a gimmick?
I can think of some reasons... increase in safety, increase in capacity (cars will be able to drive closer to each other, along with an increase in safety) decrease in pollution, more reliable journey times, fewer traffic jams, and so on.heebeegeetee said:
e21Mark said:
I still don't see why we want or need self driving cars? I know the likes of Google tell us we need them but they've got a vested interest. Isn't this all just a gimmick?
I can think of some reasons... increase in safety, increase in capacity (cars will be able to drive closer to each other, along with an increase in safety) decrease in pollution, more reliable journey times, fewer traffic jams, and so on.AH33 said:
Regarding the elderly, the disabled etc - Isn't that another reason to use taxis? The taxi driver can help with bags, getting in and out etc, and someone to chat with. The google pod won't be doing that.
Independence is important to a lot of people. The reason for the popularity of private transport is not the love of the act of driving. It just isn't. I can accept that this is the case for a lot of us on PH, but there's a real failure to understand the needs and motivations of others in thinking that's normal. When a normal person gets a driving ban, or breaks their leg, or gets their licence withdrawn for a year because they've had a fit, she's not thinking "I can't go out for a Sunday morning hoon" or "I will miss clipping the apex on my favourite roundabout on the way to Asda", she's thinking "this is going to be a massive pain in the arse". For most people, a car isn't a toy, it's a tool for making their life easier. If it didn't, they wouldn't have one.Some journeys, for some people, would be a problem, because as you point out they will need assistance at both ends. Others might prefer not to travel alone. These of course are realities now for many disabled people who can drive and who have modified vehicles to help them cope. Getting help loading and unloading their own car may still be easier than a taxi to the train station and the final destination with a couple of trains to negotiate in the middle.
Personally i think that self driving cars are a good thing, but only if they are a choice.
People like Elon Musk etc have their heart in the right place but the worry is the holier than thou approach and the think of the children guilting us into having them.
Its the same with electric/hybrid cars/global warming, they can be divisive subjects because of how it is sold/marketed to us.
People like Elon Musk etc have their heart in the right place but the worry is the holier than thou approach and the think of the children guilting us into having them.
Its the same with electric/hybrid cars/global warming, they can be divisive subjects because of how it is sold/marketed to us.
e21Mark said:
Do you not think self-drive will incur costs?
I expect it will cost about the same as any other car.e21Mark said:
I imagine it'll be the slowest vehicle out there if it's adhering to speed limits?
Most people adhear to speed limits most of the time in my exprince. Many drive well below them. A self driving car should be able to travel at the speed limit far more often than most drivers.Loads of interesting things to think about, both during the period where there is a mix of self-driving and regular cars, and also inevitably when everything is fully automated.
The mix is presumably by far the greatest challenge. A fully automated road network could be implemented relatively easily from scratch, all the technology exists. The problem is the rest of us wanting to drive ourselves around.
Roads are massively, massively inefficient as it stands, I probably spend at least 5 minutes per day in a large queue staring at a red light because one other car has triggered the sensor the other way. Imagine everything fully connected to the road network, as others have mentioned merge in turn would actually work (in fact, we probably wouldn't need merge in turn, fully automated could mean cars almost bumper to bumper at speed).
The mix is presumably by far the greatest challenge. A fully automated road network could be implemented relatively easily from scratch, all the technology exists. The problem is the rest of us wanting to drive ourselves around.
Roads are massively, massively inefficient as it stands, I probably spend at least 5 minutes per day in a large queue staring at a red light because one other car has triggered the sensor the other way. Imagine everything fully connected to the road network, as others have mentioned merge in turn would actually work (in fact, we probably wouldn't need merge in turn, fully automated could mean cars almost bumper to bumper at speed).
e21Mark said:
I still don't see why we want or need self driving cars? I know the likes of Google tell us we need them but they've got a vested interest. Isn't this all just a gimmick?
I do 4 hours a day commuting in a car. My daughter will want driving to some after school activity at least 4 or 5 days a week. I can't think of a reason why I would want to be at the wheel for those events....or 90% of my driving for that matter.
For the majority of people driving is just another chore. They no more enjoy it than they would enjoy washing clothes with a sink and a mangle.
Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 13th July 12:32
I see a lot of people recommending autonomous cars for mundane journeys like going to work. Why develop complicated technology like this for that kind of use when simpler technology exists to let us work from home?
Keep the roads open for drivers, those that don't want to drive themselves, get a taxi or work via a computer link. That way the roads can be clearer (and possibly safer) and those that like driving and or have to drive (such as a delivery driver) can get on what the job they do.
As to what to do when encountering an autonomous car on the road, everyone should drive something like this:
Keep the roads open for drivers, those that don't want to drive themselves, get a taxi or work via a computer link. That way the roads can be clearer (and possibly safer) and those that like driving and or have to drive (such as a delivery driver) can get on what the job they do.
As to what to do when encountering an autonomous car on the road, everyone should drive something like this:
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