The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XVIII)
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The M12 Formula 1 engine, reckoned to produce somewhere from 1400 to 1500bhp from a 1500cc engine.....
The Mclaren F1 engine; Gordon Murray asked for a 550bhp N/A engine and Paul Rosche built him a 618bhp N/A V12....
All this alongside being Head of BMW Motorsport in arguably their most succesful and innovative years.
The Mclaren F1 engine; Gordon Murray asked for a 550bhp N/A engine and Paul Rosche built him a 618bhp N/A V12....
All this alongside being Head of BMW Motorsport in arguably their most succesful and innovative years.
Blueprint said:
Mine too - he's coming up on 45,000 miles in his and still loves it.
Same scenario; charger at home, charger at the office.
Whilst the interior is not of the same quality as others in its class, it is otherwise a very capable and interesting alternative choice to the norm. I find it really fun to drive, it was far better damped than I had imagined, the brakes are excellent and the handling is assured. His has the smaller wheels which no doubt aid the ride because the insanity-mode loaner he had recently was much more jarring to ride in and somewhatmissed the point of the car for me, what with its large black wheels on rubber bands and 'aero-addenda'.
The only problem is that it can turn you in to a bit of a bore when confronted by those who want reject it and its concept, or indeed those who are really intrigued about it and ask loads of questions.
For me, it's just a nice car, with some great ideas that are clearly trickling down through the industry, and that's about it as far as I can see.
I'm an old car fan, and i'm generally unimpressed with new cars. I own old mercs, but have driven most of the modern M cars and some of the AMGs (including the E63 and similar models). Same scenario; charger at home, charger at the office.
Whilst the interior is not of the same quality as others in its class, it is otherwise a very capable and interesting alternative choice to the norm. I find it really fun to drive, it was far better damped than I had imagined, the brakes are excellent and the handling is assured. His has the smaller wheels which no doubt aid the ride because the insanity-mode loaner he had recently was much more jarring to ride in and somewhatmissed the point of the car for me, what with its large black wheels on rubber bands and 'aero-addenda'.
The only problem is that it can turn you in to a bit of a bore when confronted by those who want reject it and its concept, or indeed those who are really intrigued about it and ask loads of questions.
For me, it's just a nice car, with some great ideas that are clearly trickling down through the industry, and that's about it as far as I can see.
I helped arrange an event for tesla and had no particular interest in their cars but asked to borrow one for an hour and it was pretty shocking for me.
It wasn't the 480+ bhp - it was the refinement. It was another world from normal cars with dirty engines. I was very sad!
anonymous said:
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You kind of make the point.Since the F1 engine BMW have made umpteen variations of engines in their ranges. Of those, only ///M engines make the 100. I think it's S54, S65 and S85. All of those engines are expensive, complex affairs, which come with commensurate servicing regimes and compromises.
BMW have demonstrably had the means to make such engines but haven't dropped them in to 330is or anything else in terms of making them available en masse. Indeed, they switched to blowing the i6 to achieve power whilst retaining driveability and sensible costs.
All of those ///M engines need working hard to deliver their best. Their displacement inherently mask some of their nature, and their trickery helps to smooth things out. However, they all need revs and there are discernible changes in their performance as they reach their preferred operating ranges. I've not spent time in recent Porsches but all other high performance NAs I've driven have been peaky.
The Japanese protagonists, particularly Honda, are arguably more impressive for their endeavour producing durable screamers but, as much as I love them, their paucity of torque puts a serious dent in their usability.
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ts and grins, putting together a list of engines which have achieved that benchmark, and my knowledge is not encyclopedic:Audi use a couple of derivations of the Lambo V10 in the R8.
BMW - ///M S54, S65, S85
Ferrari - Various
Honda - TypeR derivatives of the B16 and K20 (I have a hunch the C32B was knocking on the door)
Lambo - Various
Porsche - Mezger GT3s, 3.8 Carrera S/GTS.
Toyota - 2ZZ
I'm starting to struggle after that. It's a pretty exclusive club.
ferrisbueller said:
Audi use a couple of derivations of the Lambo V10 in the R8.
BMW - ///M S54, S65, S85
Ferrari - Various
Honda - TypeR derivatives of the B16 and K20 (I have a hunch the C32B was knocking on the door)
Lambo - Various
Porsche - Mezger GT3s, 3.8 Carrera S/GTS.
Toyota - 2ZZ
I'm starting to struggle after that. It's a pretty exclusive club.
Caterham (and possibly Lotus) achieved the benchmark with the Rover K series (up to 250bhp from 1800cc). BMW - ///M S54, S65, S85
Ferrari - Various
Honda - TypeR derivatives of the B16 and K20 (I have a hunch the C32B was knocking on the door)
Lambo - Various
Porsche - Mezger GT3s, 3.8 Carrera S/GTS.
Toyota - 2ZZ
I'm starting to struggle after that. It's a pretty exclusive club.
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