The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XVIII)
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ferrisbueller said:
I may be missing something but on first glance this looks alright at 55k.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
25k was getting on with it. 50k is stretching the point. 100k is, well, stupid?!
Reading The Idiot's Advert With Everything Capitalised Gave Me a Headache! Last time I checked, Zis ist still nicht Ze Fazerland ver Zei Kapitalize ze Nounz...http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
25k was getting on with it. 50k is stretching the point. 100k is, well, stupid?!
Not a bad price for the mileage. Will always be stigmatized as a Jap import, which is a shame...
Diesel Meister said:
ferris - yeah I remember a few hovering around the £45-55k range, good nick but not super low miles or owners. I definitely recall seeing them up for much more than that (certainly over £80k in some instances, for road cars). Whilst the sale price might differ from the asking in any given scenario, my suspicion is that the current frenzy (bubble!) leads to asking being achieved, if not better under the right circumstances (v. limited supply whether absolutely or at the given point in time; cheap cash / more money than sense; lack of alternatives due to yet more stratospheric rises etc.). Who knows...
Sport Evos, shirley? Not the standard car? Or have a slept through a seismic event. Again.Yeah I think Sport Evos, optimistic Cecottos. I'd guess the latter only go for £40-50k max though as its the regular S14 etc.?
ETA:
WTF - £100k!:
A few PoAs as well. Always queers the pitch that one ("We'll gauge how much we can gouge you for on the day, sir."
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ETA:
WTF - £100k!:
A few PoAs as well. Always queers the pitch that one ("We'll gauge how much we can gouge you for on the day, sir."
)Diesel Meister said:
Yeah I think Sport Evos, optimistic Cecottos. I'd guess the latter only go for £40-50k max though as its the regular S14 etc.?
ETA:
WTF - £100k!:
A few PoAs as well. Always queers the pitch that one ("We'll gauge how much we can gouge you for on the day, sir." )
That's a wanted ad. That trader does those, like that.ETA:
WTF - £100k!:
A few PoAs as well. Always queers the pitch that one ("We'll gauge how much we can gouge you for on the day, sir."
)Just found the invoice for my 964 C2 man: a nice round £11k on 8/5/2012. Filled it up with unleaded at the supplying garage at the same time at 141.9p. Can only really find one for sale of similar age and nick: it's 40 bags. Lovely machine, but worth that kind of money? Obviously yes to some. But not to me.
ferrisbueller said:
That's a wanted ad. That trader does those, like that.
Quite! Teach me not to shoot from the hip whilst working! But I'd guess a £60k ceiling for anythin other than a unicorn (<1k miles perfect and original / because race car).As for pork, I'd not pay more than 20k for cooking 911 of pre-89 / 964 / 993 vintage unless fabulously cash rich. But I accept that's based on my personal sense of value rathe than the meerkat
olly22n said:
Diesel Meister said:
| Model | Low? | High? | % Increase? |
|---|---|---|---|
| E24 M | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| E28 M5 | £3k | ??? | ??? |
| E30 M3 | £7k | £100k | 1,329%! |
| E34 M5 | £4.5k | £35k? | 700% |
| E46 CSL | £20k | £60k? | 140% |
| 2.2S | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| 3.2 CS | £25k | ??? | ??? |
| 964 RS | £25k? | £200k? | 700% |
| 993 RS | £50k? | £300k? | 500% |
| 996 GT3 | £25k | £70k | 100% |
| F355 | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| 288 GTO | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| F40 | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| F50 | ??? | ??? | ??? |
CSL - i paid £25k - but there were miley ones for high teens
996 GT3 - 911V had a 125k miles one with PCCB's for £25k - anyone remember it?
E28 M5 - these were horribly cheap - but f
ked at the price i've entered.I know someone that picked up a decent one ( checked out ok at Moseleys at least ) for well under 5
They'd gone up a bit by the time of this Trader below
olly22n said:
Cactussed said:
The next question is....
If/when the current bubble eventually bursts, which of us is really prepared to put money where mouth is and go buy something?
Me! Me! Me!If/when the current bubble eventually bursts, which of us is really prepared to put money where mouth is and go buy something?
The only thing stopping me now is affordability. A nice 964/3.2/993 would enter and be my one and only car.
The issue of the next best thing is a perplexing one from the perspective of the average enthusiast who doesn't have the financial luxury of being able to treat their cars as prospective investments. When I was looking for a 911 5-6 years ago it was considered madness to dump money into modifying an old porsche but that's what I had planned. you have to wonder if these cars are still being driven and enjoyed for what they are or if they are being treated as a fashion object by those who would probably prefer the driving experience of a soft SUV.
5-10 years ago there was an abundance of choice in the used performance market at all price levels. Now with the price points as they are and people's financial outlooks forever changed by the world meltdown there just isn't that same freedom to be able to chop and change cars. plus it's a lot harder to justify.
Output Flange said:
That's a PH-er selling those, and a very knowledgeable chap too. I seem to recall that 3.6 is a rare late one that came from the factory on those Throwing Stars instead of TurbinesDiesel Meister said:
flange - I would absolutely love an E34 M5. One of my favourite cars of all time. Not ideal DD material but I'd have a crack! The 3.6 is probably a good punt, although my only passenger ride was in a 3.8 so I'd be tempted by that.
I'm assuming these are still money pits (rust, M-general tax on parts and serving, S38 being a bit bespoke / maintenance sensitive)?
I daily-ed my 3.8 for a little while, and it was glorious. In fact the problems really only started when I laid it up in the garage, as these really do seem to be a car that don't like to be ignored for too long (kind of ironic in the current market of garage queens)I'm assuming these are still money pits (rust, M-general tax on parts and serving, S38 being a bit bespoke / maintenance sensitive)?
Edited by Diesel Meister on Friday 13th January 17:00
s m said:
E30 M3s went quite a bit lower than 7k for a decent one in the late 90s
I know someone that picked up a decent one ( checked out ok at Moseleys at least ) for well under 5
They'd gone up a bit by the time of this Trader below
Every copy of AT back then seemed to feature a 3L in Dakar! They all seem to have disappeared now, although a friend of mine still has a 3.2 Evo in DY. It does get a lot of attention when he gives it a spin outI know someone that picked up a decent one ( checked out ok at Moseleys at least ) for well under 5
They'd gone up a bit by the time of this Trader below
Leins - I get you. And props for running an E34 as a DD - serious man points for running and M5 of any kind but especially a vintage one. Most cars prefer weekly if not daily use. If I bought an E34 (possible but increasingly unlikely at present given lack of choice and mainly garage queen examples) it would be my "DD" (train to work during the week, so most driving on weekends) and parked outside. I'd feel a bit guilty but would look after it.
The 3.6 in that add actually looks the slightly nicer car (and I lie the cloth interior on E34 Ms). Kicking myself that I didn't buy a really nice lowish miles technoviolet Touring that came up for £6,500 back in 2008.
Really tempted by an M5 plus Exige combo (E34 or E39, any Exige but pref the V6S). It's either that or an Evora S / 996 as single car to replace the MR2 and Slowlo.
I am gradually growing the tackle necessary to invest - exciting but slightly scary!
Need to drive some cars now...
The 3.6 in that add actually looks the slightly nicer car (and I lie the cloth interior on E34 Ms). Kicking myself that I didn't buy a really nice lowish miles technoviolet Touring that came up for £6,500 back in 2008.
Really tempted by an M5 plus Exige combo (E34 or E39, any Exige but pref the V6S). It's either that or an Evora S / 996 as single car to replace the MR2 and Slowlo.
I am gradually growing the tackle necessary to invest - exciting but slightly scary!
Need to drive some cars now...
Correct about the linked B6, it's the super-charged model.
I run an E34 Touring as a daily, alongside an E38 and an E24; they're essentially modern enough to run as a daily if you get enough working toys (bum-warmers, AC, central locking, etc) but old enough to give a involving driving experience. Check the sills, change the oils and filters (including the pollen filter) and provided you haven't got an M5 just have a small war chest for the replacement bushes to fix the almost obligatory steering wheel shimmy.
An M5, regardless of generation, will always be more risk and require more war-chest but for E34's a 3.6 non-EDC suspension car without a sun-roof reduces engine, suspension and sill borkage to the minimum possible.
An E34 is great for owner-maintainers who don't want to involve a PC in their fault diagnosis or repair procedures; they are very simple nuts and bolts construction with limited electronic trickery and help is always out there on t'internet from those who have BTDT.
There are those who quite rightly say the E39 is huge leap forward in technology but the quality and longevity of the parts just isn't there as time has proved. If you want the zenith of BMW quality the E38 is where you should go..... provided its achilles heel petrol tank isn't leaking.
I run an E34 Touring as a daily, alongside an E38 and an E24; they're essentially modern enough to run as a daily if you get enough working toys (bum-warmers, AC, central locking, etc) but old enough to give a involving driving experience. Check the sills, change the oils and filters (including the pollen filter) and provided you haven't got an M5 just have a small war chest for the replacement bushes to fix the almost obligatory steering wheel shimmy.
An M5, regardless of generation, will always be more risk and require more war-chest but for E34's a 3.6 non-EDC suspension car without a sun-roof reduces engine, suspension and sill borkage to the minimum possible.
An E34 is great for owner-maintainers who don't want to involve a PC in their fault diagnosis or repair procedures; they are very simple nuts and bolts construction with limited electronic trickery and help is always out there on t'internet from those who have BTDT.
There are those who quite rightly say the E39 is huge leap forward in technology but the quality and longevity of the parts just isn't there as time has proved. If you want the zenith of BMW quality the E38 is where you should go..... provided its achilles heel petrol tank isn't leaking.
E24man said:
There are those who quite rightly say the E39 is huge leap forward in technology but the quality and longevity of the parts just isn't there as time has proved. If you want the zenith of BMW quality the E38 is where you should go..... provided its achilles heel petrol tank isn't leaking.
Quite. My e39, albeit being a well built car feels properly dinky compared to the 750's I had.While on the subject on E30 M3's- I sold a set of BBS RC's today to a chap who has owned and tracked his M3 for 15 years, he bought it in 2001 for the equivalent of £6000, he stopped tracking it 3 years ago when they started to really climb, it has since had a full overhaul including a windows out professional respray, new 2,5 liter engine sourced in parts from BMW, I don't even dare to contemplate what that might have cost. Now sitting pretty in the garage accumulating money...
Edited by PowerslideSWE on Saturday 14th January 12:05
Output Flange said:
Sutts mentioned on the last (big-boy) page that the M5 high is £95k. Which is clearly bonkers.
To be fair the £95k E28 is an anomaly. It was a concours resto that sold to a somewhat nutty (in a good way) Japanese billionaire who I'm told has a 200+ car collection and is an M fan. I understand it has remained in storage in this country but sadly is unlikely to be driven more than a few miles a year to keep it ticking over.I think the next most expensive one sold was the red SA import for £55k by ML. So a big gap between the two.
Having said that I still believe the 35k silver one at Walkers represents 'not bad' value in the current market, given the condition and that there are so few left.
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