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Cheburator mk2 said:
Quite high average speed then - is a 3000hrs for 150k miles. Must have been motorway miles (which kind of defeats the purpose of the car) or caned on track. Only way to buy it would be with a leakdown test and Diff inspection. And still would have a 996.2 for £65k...
The owner has a track record of putting high miles on GT3s: he did the same on a 996. Apparently it's all European motorway mileage having been used as a daily driver. No track work at all, and over-serviced.jeremyc said:
he owner has a track record of putting high miles on GT3s: he did the same on a 996. Apparently it's all European motorway mileage having been used as a daily driver. No track work at all, and over-serviced.
From memory his blue 996.2 was sold through 911V and by all accounts was superb, despite the 170k odd on the mileometer. Lack of track work is a bonus (perversely) and the good service history is nice too. I am just wondering if it is such an amazing value in our stupid marked which is fixated on mileage. £65k would buy you a good low miles 996.2 which would be easier to move on when the time comes. Sadly this particular 997 falls into a no-man's land bomb crater value wise for me. Unless the dealer would take a much lower offer...
On the subject of sports cars with intergalactic miles.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/l...
How about this 230K Elise?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/l...
How about this 230K Elise?
ferrisbueller said:
I owned a "comp pack", the CS, and the changes run a little deeper than that. They're circa double the price of a facelift standard car, significantly better though.
The sat nav on that car failed twice and was about 2.5k a pop to sort under warranty. A TomTom does it better for a fraction of the price. I seem to remember the sat nav on that car failed when MattOz owned it after me, too.
The biggest benefit of the CS pack, IMHO, is the quicker steering rack. I also like Interlagos Blue. The sat nav on that car failed twice and was about 2.5k a pop to sort under warranty. A TomTom does it better for a fraction of the price. I seem to remember the sat nav on that car failed when MattOz owned it after me, too.
If you're going SMG, make sure you get the pump well and truly looked at. My minty-mint one from Munich Legends turned out to have a leaking pump which needed to be replaced within circa 600 miles of purchase for a frankly eye-watering sum. The pump alone is circa £2200 from BMW these days.
That's a great effort in an Elise, serious respect due to the Seller and a quick little car for £11k, my only concern would be a 'k' series knocking out over 200hp and last rebuild 30,000 miles ago, I'm surprised it's lasted that long!
Maybe it goes to show if properly sorted/looked after, a highly tuned 'k' can be built to last.
Maybe it goes to show if properly sorted/looked after, a highly tuned 'k' can be built to last.
Cheburator mk2 said:
olly755 said:
jeremyc said:
Wow. In every possible way!
TheRocket said:
That's a great effort in an Elise, serious respect due to the Seller and a quick little car for £11k, my only concern would be a 'k' series knocking out over 200hp and last rebuild 30,000 miles ago, I'm surprised it's lasted that long!
Maybe it goes to show if properly sorted/looked after, a highly tuned 'k' can be built to last.
Pretty legendary isn't it? Makes the 150k GT3 look like a garage queen. Maybe it goes to show if properly sorted/looked after, a highly tuned 'k' can be built to last.
I'm very tempted with this. Seems like good value, you imagine practically everything would have been replaced after that sort of mileage.
On the subject of high power K's. is 30k miles a good innings?!
Scho said:
TheRocket said:
That's a great effort in an Elise, serious respect due to the Seller and a quick little car for £11k, my only concern would be a 'k' series knocking out over 200hp and last rebuild 30,000 miles ago, I'm surprised it's lasted that long!
Maybe it goes to show if properly sorted/looked after, a highly tuned 'k' can be built to last.
Pretty legendary isn't it? Makes the 150k GT3 look like a garage queen. Maybe it goes to show if properly sorted/looked after, a highly tuned 'k' can be built to last.
I'm very tempted with this. Seems like good value, you imagine practically everything would have been replaced after that sort of mileage.
On the subject of high power K's. is 30k miles a good innings?!
Could be just what I'm after...
Gruber said:
The biggest benefit of the CS pack, IMHO, is the quicker steering rack. I also like Interlagos Blue.
If you're going SMG, make sure you get the pump well and truly looked at. My minty-mint one from Munich Legends turned out to have a leaking pump which needed to be replaced within circa 600 miles of purchase for a frankly eye-watering sum. The pump alone is circa £2200 from BMW these days.
The pump is normally the electric motor that powers it - BMW in its infinite wisdom (read cost cutting if you want) fitted a simple motor with brushes, which wear out, but have nowhere to go as the housing is hermetic. The carbon dust builds up and up until the motor shorts itself out. When the actualy pump goes, usually one of the faces is scored. My brother and I have a spare pump, which we refurbished. There is also a chap in Germany who refurbishes 928/959 PSD pumps and he confirmed that the M3 pump is from the same family, hence rebuildable. The biggest concern on the SMG at the moment is the accumulator. No refurbishment possible and mega bucks from BMW...If you're going SMG, make sure you get the pump well and truly looked at. My minty-mint one from Munich Legends turned out to have a leaking pump which needed to be replaced within circa 600 miles of purchase for a frankly eye-watering sum. The pump alone is circa £2200 from BMW these days.
I'm certainly no expert on a highly tuned 'k' series but a big part of the reason Honda k20's ended up in Elise's was due to people tiring of building highly tuned k's only for them to fail fairly often, all that being said after all this time there should well be people who know how to make them last and and a properly maintained, warmed up and down, regular oil changes etc. why shouldn't they last ? They sound great too.
Best bet is searching on SELOC, ton of info on there.
Best bet is searching on SELOC, ton of info on there.
Not a k-series expert either, but at £11k I can't see there being that much at stake. If it goes pop either rebuild it or sell sans-engine to someone wanting to Honda/Duratec it. In the scheme of stupid car running costs, neither should be world-ending.
A k-series on hotter cams is an underrated and addictive thing.
A k-series on hotter cams is an underrated and addictive thing.
olly22n said:
I wouldn't, that's my perfect spec 911 there.
Fancy a cayman?
I don't know what I wan't olly! :roll eyes:Fancy a cayman?
As much as I admire the Cayman If i'm sticking with pork I'd probably keep 996. I've got itchy feet for something significantly lighter on consumables and a little less precious.
I have been toying with the idea of a 986 track thing but I've also just bought a transporter with a camper conversion project on the horizon so funds are already allocated.
The complicating factor is the upward trajectory of pork value. I wish it was like the old days when all cars lost money. Life was simpler back then!
Scho said:
On the subject of sports cars with intergalactic miles.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/l...
How about this 230K Elise?
Wow! That's some going. http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/l...
How about this 230K Elise?
Feels like alright value to me if the engine has been built properly (no reason to think it has not). At those miles one might have to be prepared for it to be a 'keeper' or at least hard to sell on.
Beauty of the Elise is there is not much to them really. The chassis/tub doesn't wear out with mile as far as I'm aware.
If I was in the market I'd be tempted.
anonymous said:
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Have you driven a K-series with hotter cams? For a single-purpose play thing, and ignoring ultimate pace, I probably find it more exciting than my Boxster engine.Thought of the day, in these days of £30k+ Clio V6s a Mk4 R32 for under £7k doesn't look half bad value.
Not nearly as wacky or unique of course, but I can still an interesting proposition none the less.
sato said:
Have you driven a K-series with hotter cams? For a single-purpose play thing, and ignoring ultimate pace, I probably find it more exciting than my Boxster engine.
Thought of the day, in these days of £30k+ Clio V6s a Mk4 R32 for under £7k doesn't look half bad value.
Not nearly as wacky or unique of course, but I can still an interesting proposition none the less.
The R32 sounds lovely, a lot better than the V6 in the Clio... Unfortunately, somehow VW has managed to dull the chassis to a point, which makes the Mk3 1.6 feel like an Elise Thought of the day, in these days of £30k+ Clio V6s a Mk4 R32 for under £7k doesn't look half bad value.
Not nearly as wacky or unique of course, but I can still an interesting proposition none the less.
ferrisbueller said:
I believe the description was: "Like two skeletons f
king in an oil drum"........
Ha, The northern version is like a skeleton wa@$king in a biscuit tin. king in an oil drum"........With the 911 it does make you wonder if all the extra weight needed to lug around a couple of extra cylinders and some barely usable rear seats is worth it?
For me the tyre bill and brakes are killing it. Even though I have turbo spec brakes and cooking model power I cooked a set of discs at the DN15, Put a new set on with GT3 air scoops. Went on a north wales raid and warped them again. Before anyone says I always let the brakes cool with the vehicle moving, Don't sit on them at junctions etc and never put the handbrake on when hot.
It does sound epic when licking on though!
ETA, I've had a word with myself. I'm going to put the kids on ebay and run the 911 and an elise.
Edited by Scho on Thursday 26th January 12:08
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