The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XVIII)
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TheRocket said:
BB was after dinner speaker at an event I went to Christmas, if you ever get the chance to hear him talk/host do it, he's led a very interesting life and is quite frankly barking mad, very funny and not very politically correct. Gordon's Alive !
+1000 man points for proximity to a living legend 
Apart from the sump issue Alpina had on the E36 B8, the old Alpina 4.6 should tuck in quite nicely (never mind about setting columns and manifolds and such)- I mean, it's been done before.
I have long yearned to buy a B10 4.6 and gut it for engine and box, ecu and associated gibbons to provide a paltry 67bhp increase to my B3. Its more about the V8 than the power for me. Alpina were always (I'll admit "often" is more accurate) good at sticking more cylinders in if not strapping on twin turbos.
Relatively pointless and doubtless a conversion full of headaches, but at £5-6k for a complete car, a grand or two on new ancillaries, gaskets, and £x on the simple task of implanting. Who would t do it? Icould even sell the B10 with my old 3.3 in it as a sort of cut price very confused e39, after all, Alpina built that one too!
ETA- "the sump issue Alpina overcame with a different sump" rather than they put a chocolate sump on the B8. God bless Alpina.
I have long yearned to buy a B10 4.6 and gut it for engine and box, ecu and associated gibbons to provide a paltry 67bhp increase to my B3. Its more about the V8 than the power for me. Alpina were always (I'll admit "often" is more accurate) good at sticking more cylinders in if not strapping on twin turbos.
Relatively pointless and doubtless a conversion full of headaches, but at £5-6k for a complete car, a grand or two on new ancillaries, gaskets, and £x on the simple task of implanting. Who would t do it? Icould even sell the B10 with my old 3.3 in it as a sort of cut price very confused e39, after all, Alpina built that one too!
ETA- "the sump issue Alpina overcame with a different sump" rather than they put a chocolate sump on the B8. God bless Alpina.
Edited by Polynesian on Thursday 9th February 20:54
Edited by Polynesian on Thursday 9th February 20:55
The engine fitted to the E36 Alpina B8 4.6 is not the same as fitted to the E39 B10 V8 cars. The E39 cars have the single timing chain, electronic throttle body M62B46 rated at 340bhp on the pre-facelift cars with no vanos, and 347bhp in the facelift single vanos cars.
The E36 Alpina B8 4.6 has the 333bhp M60B46 engine with double row timing chains, a cable operated throttle and no vanos. The engine is also fitted to the E34 Alpina B10 4.6 cars where it develops 340bhp due to a less restrictive exhaust than the E36 cars.
The E36 Alpina B8 4.6 has the 333bhp M60B46 engine with double row timing chains, a cable operated throttle and no vanos. The engine is also fitted to the E34 Alpina B10 4.6 cars where it develops 340bhp due to a less restrictive exhaust than the E36 cars.
E24man said:
The engine fitted to the E36 Alpina B8 4.6 is not the same as fitted to the E39 B10 V8 cars. The E39 cars have the single timing chain, electronic throttle body M62B46 rated at 340bhp on the pre-facelift cars with no vanos, and 347bhp in the facelift single vanos cars.
The E36 Alpina B8 4.6 has the 333bhp M60B46 engine with double row timing chains, a cable operated throttle and no vanos. The engine is also fitted to the E34 Alpina B10 4.6 cars where it develops 340bhp due to a less restrictive exhaust than the E36 cars.
Furry chin explosion batman!The E36 Alpina B8 4.6 has the 333bhp M60B46 engine with double row timing chains, a cable operated throttle and no vanos. The engine is also fitted to the E34 Alpina B10 4.6 cars where it develops 340bhp due to a less restrictive exhaust than the E36 cars.
The Alpina route has mucho appeal as a foil to the M-car alternative, particularly if you have something more scalpel like for when you want to up your work rate.
/saunters of to classifieds...
E24man said:
The engine fitted to the E36 Alpina B8 4.6 is not the same as fitted to the E39 B10 V8 cars. The E39 cars have the single timing chain, electronic throttle body M62B46 rated at 340bhp on the pre-facelift cars with no vanos, and 347bhp in the facelift single vanos cars.
The E36 Alpina B8 4.6 has the 333bhp M60B46 engine with double row timing chains, a cable operated throttle and no vanos. The engine is also fitted to the E34 Alpina B10 4.6 cars where it develops 340bhp due to a less restrictive exhaust than the E36 cars.
I know that, but Hartge still had to swap the sump when they slipped a V8 into the E46. Less about all the upstairs stuff you've described and more about the block and sump. I wasn't suggesting they were the same engine!The E36 Alpina B8 4.6 has the 333bhp M60B46 engine with double row timing chains, a cable operated throttle and no vanos. The engine is also fitted to the E34 Alpina B10 4.6 cars where it develops 340bhp due to a less restrictive exhaust than the E36 cars.
ATM said:
335i
Manual
Birds b3 kit - Bilstein / Quaife / roll bars / remap / exhau
£290 road tax - does that mean electric steering rack???
£10k for all that
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232217243515
I should think that would give an E9X M3 a bit of a fright.Manual
Birds b3 kit - Bilstein / Quaife / roll bars / remap / exhau
£290 road tax - does that mean electric steering rack???
£10k for all that
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232217243515
My F31 335i is for sale. The hankering for an E90 M3 has taken hold. I've had a couple of timewasters and a couple of dealers contact me so far. However, no deal done. If you know anyone looking, point them in this direction....
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
At the very least, virtual beers to any leads!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
At the very least, virtual beers to any leads!
Polynesian said:
I know that, but Hartge still had to swap the sump when they slipped a V8 into the E46. Less about all the upstairs stuff you've described and more about the block and sump. I wasn't suggesting they were the same engine!
AFAIK the Hartge E46 V8 transplant was a different engine again, the E39 M5's S62B50 engine and also involved significant top-end changes too.The upstairs stuff affects the downstairs stuff in terms of architecture and the mounting of ancilliaries within the chassis rails and the engine bay as well as the very obvious sump changes For instance, the later M62TUB46 has a block mounted water-cooled alternator which greatly restricts potential transplants rather than the air-cooled-put-it-where-any-wires-and-a-belt-could-reach alternator of the earlier engines.
IIRC the E36 Alpina V8 transplant was carried out after Herr Bovensiepen inquired of BMW engineers whether it would fit and was told 'Nein'.
Buchloe boffins got it to fit but the list of specific parts and chassis hacks is quite extensive.
If you have an E36 or E46 and want significantly more shove I suspect a V8 engine transplant is the convoluted and expensive way, and a supercharger is the cheaper, easier and perhaps more powerful way.
MattOz said:
My F31 335i is for sale. The hankering for an E90 M3 has taken hold. I've had a couple of timewasters and a couple of dealers contact me so far. However, no deal done. If you know anyone looking, point them in this direction....
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
At the very least, virtual beers to any leads!
That looks great - I'm a big fan of big-engine (relatively), more than 4-cyl, manual estates! (I have a B8 S4). http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
At the very least, virtual beers to any leads!
You've not done many miles in it - is it not the steer you thought it would be? As you must be taking a bath on it selling this early on, unless you got a really good discount.
Though I understand the call of an M product. Wish I'd never sold my Z3M (
), and often hanker after a Z4M (though my musing recently has seen me looking at 5.0 Mustangs...)Diesel Meister said:
Yes but V8 burble = worth the 'hoff. For some anyway..
I remember looking at an S50B32 conversion years ago and it turns out that a V8 isn't much harder (brake servo / plenum clearance issues, aside from all the other stuff)
The main challenge with fitment in an E36/E46 is requiring a custom oilpan and therefore different oilpump setup.I remember looking at an S50B32 conversion years ago and it turns out that a V8 isn't much harder (brake servo / plenum clearance issues, aside from all the other stuff)
bungle said:
hat looks great - I'm a big fan of big-engine (relatively), more than 4-cyl, manual estates! (I have a B8 S4).
You've not done many miles in it - is it not the steer you thought it would be? As you must be taking a bath on it selling this early on, unless you got a really good discount.
Thanks. It's a great car. It's just that the lure of an N/A V8 is greater. Had there been an M3 estate in E91 guise, it would be on the driveway. As for taking a hit on the residual value, yes, it smarts a bit. However, it's not horrendous. You've not done many miles in it - is it not the steer you thought it would be? As you must be taking a bath on it selling this early on, unless you got a really good discount.
Scored a set of BBS RGR 18" wheels for the M3 today. Well chuffed considering new they sell for about £2750.
In other news, I also bought a 1989 Baltic Blau 928 S4 Manuel mit Weiss Sports Sitze, Sperre Differential und Sportfahrwerk
In terms of rare cars, this particular 928 makes most 911s of the period look as common as muck...
Let the journey of making it as good as new begin...
In other news, I also bought a 1989 Baltic Blau 928 S4 Manuel mit Weiss Sports Sitze, Sperre Differential und Sportfahrwerk
In terms of rare cars, this particular 928 makes most 911s of the period look as common as muck...
Let the journey of making it as good as new begin...
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