The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XVIII)
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anonymous said:
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Yep, by all accounts a right faff to get air out of the system, my local Indie (who shall remain nameless) struggled big time, even after I'd linked them all the internet forum stuff telling them the MC had to be bench bled, then pressure bled with the machine followed by the machine and old fashioned 2 person method, out on the road activate abs multiple times, re-bled again, it was 4 or 5 hours of labour and had to go back to them, anyway it's worth it in the end. Diesel Meister said:
...205 GTis are nucking futs right now though - I don't mind the idea of £10-12k for a mint example, maybe even as much as £15k for the right car to the right person, but £20k+ for the lowest mileage ones is shirley taking the pesh?! Crazy times of low rates and cheap money...
And this is why I ended up looking to build a 106 XSi with a Quaife ATB, tuned engine, full suspension and brake refresh, lowered on steels etc. It'll be refurbished and upgraded for the same cost as people are asking for a 205 with plenty of miles on the clock. I just couldn't justify it to myself...dom9 said:
Diesel Meister said:
...205 GTis are nucking futs right now though - I don't mind the idea of £10-12k for a mint example, maybe even as much as £15k for the right car to the right person, but £20k+ for the lowest mileage ones is shirley taking the pesh?! Crazy times of low rates and cheap money...
And this is why I ended up looking to build a 106 XSi with a Quaife ATB, tuned engine, full suspension and brake refresh, lowered on steels etc. It'll be refurbished and upgraded for the same cost as people are asking for a 205 with plenty of miles on the clock. I just couldn't justify it to myself...Thank you 
Always loved 205s and had a Miami Blue (sold <£1k), Sorrento Green (given away - gulp) and a Graphite (also given away).
But at £5k+ for over 100k miles, it just wasn't worth it to me this time round.
My 106 XSi won't be worth the £5k+ I spend on it but it'll have fresh paint, brakes, suspension, 110+bhp and that slippy diff. Should be much quicker across the B-roads without me needing to be so 'precious' about it. The base car only cost me £800!
A good base 205 GTi and a trip to Pug-1-Off has to be £10k+ ???
Always loved 205s and had a Miami Blue (sold <£1k), Sorrento Green (given away - gulp) and a Graphite (also given away).
But at £5k+ for over 100k miles, it just wasn't worth it to me this time round.
My 106 XSi won't be worth the £5k+ I spend on it but it'll have fresh paint, brakes, suspension, 110+bhp and that slippy diff. Should be much quicker across the B-roads without me needing to be so 'precious' about it. The base car only cost me £800!
A good base 205 GTi and a trip to Pug-1-Off has to be £10k+ ???
dom9, moose and others - 
Agreed. I think Pug1Off full house (195bhp XU, brakes, suspension and 6 speed gearbox with diff etc.) is ~£10k fitted, plus the car and any necessary bodywork restoration / other add-ons. Not trivial in other words!
A 106 with similar work is likely to come in under £10k, albeit for a car I barely fit into.
Agreed. I think Pug1Off full house (195bhp XU, brakes, suspension and 6 speed gearbox with diff etc.) is ~£10k fitted, plus the car and any necessary bodywork restoration / other add-ons. Not trivial in other words!
A 106 with similar work is likely to come in under £10k, albeit for a car I barely fit into.
sounds like you used people who know what they are doing, unlike mine...Diesel Meister said:
dom9, moose and others -
Agreed. I think Pug1Off full house (195bhp XU, brakes, suspension and 6 speed gearbox with diff etc.) is ~£10k fitted, plus the car and any necessary bodywork restoration / other add-ons. Not trivial in other words!
A 106 with similar work is likely to come in under £10k, albeit for a car I barely fit into.
If you can find a rot-free 106 GTi, 150bhp+ is relatively cheap...Agreed. I think Pug1Off full house (195bhp XU, brakes, suspension and 6 speed gearbox with diff etc.) is ~£10k fitted, plus the car and any necessary bodywork restoration / other add-ons. Not trivial in other words!
A 106 with similar work is likely to come in under £10k, albeit for a car I barely fit into.
Rallye short ratio 'box (~£300-400), Quaife ATB (I paid £400 with <100 miles on it), drop it 25mm (cheap), some fresh steels (I paid £35 a rim, brand new, for 15in steels and £50 per rim for stripping and powder coating) and you've got quite a car there for probably £3k all in, if you can do the work, with <100k miles.
Fresh paint is costing me £3k, brakes refreshed at Bigg Red (£80), complete new suspension (arms, dampers, springs, top mounts etc) was <£500. In fact, I think I paid <£400 for 2 x rebuilt engines (lucky), including one from a 106 Cup car.
£10k would build you a monster 106, refreshed back-to-front, including the car. Sounds like you're £15k-20k for the same at Pug-1-Off for a 205 GTi. I need to update my thread but I'd be shocked if I spend over £7k all in, when all is said and done (which is still well over the original budget but hey-ho).
What will it be worth when I have finished? Who cares - a lot of smiles for the money and should last many, many years!
TheRocket said:
DM, if it's a hot hatch you are after I'd wait for a Trophy to come along, I'd suggest a 182 Cup but one that hasn't been tracked a lot or modded is an equally rare beast, I loved mine.
I'm not dead set on what I want, which is the perennial problem 
Longer term I'd like an Evora / Exige S but in the interim, I'm thinking chop in the slowlo, possibly plus some cash, for something relatively compact and fun but also practical, which is why I keep coming back to a HH. Different enough to Emmy Lou too. I'd love a Trophy but they are collector's items right now. I'm also looking out for 182 cups but standard ones are few and far between (many likely tucked up - whether in a tree / ditch / garage)
Other options are a later Clio 200 (slightly more usable but also less appealing both as a value proposition and in terms of absolute fun maybe?) or a Megane 250 (bit bigger than I really need but better value than the late clios imo. More importantly, turbo charged, which appeals less overall to me even if it means more straight-line stomp).
This I where I started thinking, something older / cheaper plus mods might be the way to go, albeit clearly not a 205 or MkII Golf, given the price of entry for leggy examples.. A 106 does appeal due to size but I'd need it to be motorway capable on occasion. Will expand my search and see what I can find (keep coming back to 986s though!)
dom9 - your project looks lovely btw. Tap me up if you end up selling in the next few months!
Diesel Meister said:
TheRocket said:
DM, if it's a hot hatch you are after I'd wait for a Trophy to come along, I'd suggest a 182 Cup but one that hasn't been tracked a lot or modded is an equally rare beast, I loved mine.
I'm not dead set on what I want, which is the perennial problem Longer term I'd like an Evora / Exige S but in the interim, I'm thinking chop in the slowlo, possibly plus some cash, for something relatively compact and fun but also practical, which is why I keep coming back to a HH. Different enough to Emmy Lou too. I'd love a Trophy but they are collector's items right now. I'm also looking out for 182 cups but standard ones are few and far between (many likely tucked up - whether in a tree / ditch / garage)
Other options are a later Clio 200 (slightly more usable but also less appealing both as a value proposition and in terms of absolute fun maybe?) or a Megane 250 (bit bigger than I really need but better value than the late clios imo. More importantly, turbo charged, which appeals less overall to me even if it means more straight-line stomp).
This I where I started thinking, something older / cheaper plus mods might be the way to go, albeit clearly not a 205 or MkII Golf, given the price of entry for leggy examples.. A 106 does appeal due to size but I'd need it to be motorway capable on occasion. Will expand my search and see what I can find (keep coming back to 986s though!)
dom9 - your project looks lovely btw. Tap me up if you end up selling in the next few months!
ferrisbueller said:
200 is great IMO/E
I hear great things and it seems the obvious choice if I'm honest - wish I'd persuaded the ex to get one instead of the slowlo, which wasn't much less new!That said, I am mindful of when the revised Clio came out and how some journos I respect were a bit underwhelmed. No substitute for driving one and seeing, just worry that 200bhp and ~1200kg might be less fun than ~1050kg and 180bhp....
Better day to day I'd guess.
Edited by Diesel Meister on Wednesday 15th March 23:57
Diesel Meister said:
I hear great things and it seems the obvious choice if I'm honest - wish I'd persuaded the ex to get one instead of the slowlo, which wasn't much less new!
That said, I am mindful of when the revised Clio came out and how some journo's I respect were a bit underwhelmed. No substitute for driving one and seeing, just worry that 200bhp and ~1200kg might be less fun than ~1050kg and 180bhp....
Better day to day I'd guess.
Always worth another watch-That said, I am mindful of when the revised Clio came out and how some journo's I respect were a bit underwhelmed. No substitute for driving one and seeing, just worry that 200bhp and ~1200kg might be less fun than ~1050kg and 180bhp....
Better day to day I'd guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTTI-aMKn60&t
Patrick Bateman said:
Not helping! ETA: I'm still not sure a 40k mile example of the trophy is a £10k+ car but maybe that's just me!
Sweet spot for me would be 5-7.5k with preferably under 80k miles - condition and service history more important though.
Couple floating around for £7-8k. Dealers look to be robbing everyone blind, which I guess is how they eat...
Need to find space as much as cash!
Edited by Diesel Meister on Thursday 16th March 00:24
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Diesel Meister said:
Not helping!
ETA: I'm still not sure a 40k mile example of the trophy is a £10k+ car but maybe that's just me!
Sweet spot for me would be 5-7.5k with preferably under 80k miles - condition and service history more important though.
Couple floating around for £7-8k. Dealers look to be robbing everyone blind, which I guess is how they eat...
Need to find space as much as cash!
What about a cheaper one needing the dampers refurbed? ETA: I'm still not sure a 40k mile example of the trophy is a £10k+ car but maybe that's just me!
Sweet spot for me would be 5-7.5k with preferably under 80k miles - condition and service history more important though.
Couple floating around for £7-8k. Dealers look to be robbing everyone blind, which I guess is how they eat...
Need to find space as much as cash!
Edited by Diesel Meister on Thursday 16th March 00:24
In all seriousness, I don't see the appeal of the garage queen low miler, you'll just feel paranoid about adding miles when the one thing these cars should get is a jolly good thrashing down your favourite roads.
Patrick Bateman said:
What about a cheaper one needing the dampers refurbed?
In all seriousness, I don't see the appeal of the garage queen low miler, you'll just feel paranoid about adding miles when the one thing these cars should get is a jolly good thrashing down your favourite roads.
Exactly my position - it's a hot hatch, not a pebble beach piece of exotica In all seriousness, I don't see the appeal of the garage queen low miler, you'll just feel paranoid about adding miles when the one thing these cars should get is a jolly good thrashing down your favourite roads.
Arguably, the point of any car (and specifically anything purporting to be a "driver's car") that is not driven can only be to reduce absurdity to mechanical form, imo.
That said, I'd rather not deal wit ha shagged out example - don't mind a damper refurb as a known quantity but really anyone not selling under distress should be doing that and cambelt / MOT themselves or bending over
Patrick Bateman said:
Enjoyed that vid, they certainly look like a great car. It's weird having just remembered that I spent about half my 20s with no car so the hot hatch phase passed me by. A Clio 172 and Pug 205 were on the list when I bought a car in my late 20s - I'd loved the 205 since I was a kid - but I went old instead and got a Giulia Alfa.But in the £5-10k range, I wouldn't be able to go past a Boxster unless I needed back seats...
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