RE: McLaren to resurrect the F1

[Daveyraveygravey]

Apologies if anyone else has said this but I don't see how luxurious and opulent fit with the F1? It wasn't a Bentley or even a Porsche Turbo - it was arguably THE most focused performance car ever. A Caterham for the 90's with a money no object brief. I loved the 3 seat idea but apart from that, what has this new car got in common with the F1?

[Daveyraveygravey]

Ollywood said:

They did mention that they would do a pure electric car... this might be it. And it would fit into the F1 mould of game changing car.

Making an F1 with three seats with their V8 would be like making a Panamera!

Except...the F1 had arguably THE best engine ever made. However good electric cars get I doubt they will get close to the total appeal of that V12

[Vocht]

vz-r_dave said:

Have you read the article or just looked at the seat layout? GT with 650s performance is hardly Huayra is it.

• Both twin turbo's pushing out around 700bhp

• Both 0-60 in 3 seconds

• Both £ 7 figures

• Both have/will have an interior look “closer to a piece of art than a car”*

• Both focus heavily on being a "rapid, cross-continental travel with supreme speed and style”

• Both focus heavily on power-to-weight ratio

The Pagani Huayra is without a doubt the closest comparison to this 'F1'.

[ChristAlmighty]

I did hear "from a reliable source" that McLarens next car was going 'up-market' (and by that I assume price-wise) to compete directly with the Aventador. Perhaps this is an exercise to gauge reaction?

Let's hooe so. It looks amazing. BUT... yet another variant of their turbo v8 lump? NO. Just... no.

[GarageQueen]

When the hell are they going to get rid of that bloody V8 that appears in their ENTIRE range?

[spadgm]

If they are going to revive the F1 moniker, they will have to make it out of this world in my opinion.
Clean sheet of paper.
Not just a revised version of the 3.8L twin turbo and carbon fiber sun visors lol.

[Sway]

GarageQueen said:

When the hell are they going to get rid of that bloody V8 that appears in their ENTIRE range?

Except it doesn't. Whilst the whole range use an engine of the same configuration and capacity, they are not the same engine in different states of tune. Components aren't shared, nor are they compatible.

Same as the carbon tub is different in every car, but people still believe that a P1 is a tarted up 650S.

[xRIEx]

GarageQueen said:

When the hell are they going to get rid of that bloody V8 that appears in their ENTIRE range?

Why would/should they? You make it sound like you're offended by a V8, what's wrong with it?

[kambites]

I do like the idea of a central driving position in a GT. Assuming they manage to find space for a couple of suitcases and a decent sized fuel tank it'll make it a particularly usable mile-muncher. If it happens, I'd say the obvious competition will be the Ferrari FF.

[Schermerhorn]

Time for a new clean sheet design in my opinion.

They have an F1 partner in Honda so why not collaborate with them? Take the NSX technology and push it as far as they can?

[Sway]

Schermerhorn said:

Time for a new clean sheet design in my opinion.

They have an F1 partner in Honda so why not collaborate with them? Take the NSX technology and push it as far as they can?

They've done two clean sheet designs within the last ten years, as well as iterative change both major and minor. As a new startup company competing in a very congested marketplace.

I'm all for challenging the status quo, but expecting miracles (and things no other company does) is a tad excessive...

[Theophany]

k-ink said:

This name seems to work: Arab's Pimp Wagon.

McLaren Harem? Kind of rhymes.

[GarageQueen]

Sway said:

GarageQueen said:

When the hell are they going to get rid of that bloody V8 that appears in their ENTIRE range?

Except it doesn't. Whilst the whole range use an engine of the same configuration and capacity, they are not the same engine in different states of tune. Components aren't shared, nor are they compatible.

Same as the carbon tub is different in every car, but people still believe that a P1 is a tarted up 650S.

To me it doesn't seem right to use the same configuration and capacity for cars ranging from 150K - 2million quid. If you're gonna use a V8 in your entire range at least change the capacity to add a bit more character / uniqueness.

[GarageQueen]

xRIEx said:

GarageQueen said:

When the hell are they going to get rid of that bloody V8 that appears in their ENTIRE range?

Why would/should they? You make it sound like you're offended by a V8, what's wrong with it?

nothing wrong with a V8, not offended

[xRIEx]

Schermerhorn said:

Time for a new clean sheet design in my opinion.

They have an F1 partner in Honda so why not collaborate with them? Take the NSX technology and push it as far as they can?

I'm not particularly knowledgeable about the NSX, but what technology is there to push that McLaren don't already have in some form or other?
- Hybrid tech? P1
- Chassis tech? The NSX is >1700kg, the 650S is <1450kg.
- Engine tech?
- SH-AWD? That might be a possibility.

[DeanHelix]

Lets see, possible successor to the F1, F2 sounds naff and second rate, so....."McLaren F-Zero"
Is it really so difficult?

But to be 1 better than the F1, the car needs to fit the name. It needs to be the lightest hypercar possible through the use of serious material science.

All that talk of how good the Honda NSX might have been without the weight of all that hybrid gubbins, McLaren you're up, show us how it's done.

[Sway]

GarageQueen said:

Sway said:

GarageQueen said:

When the hell are they going to get rid of that bloody V8 that appears in their ENTIRE range?

Except it doesn't. Whilst the whole range use an engine of the same configuration and capacity, they are not the same engine in different states of tune. Components aren't shared, nor are they compatible.

Same as the carbon tub is different in every car, but people still believe that a P1 is a tarted up 650S.

To me it doesn't seem right to use the same configuration and capacity for cars ranging from 150K - 2million quid. If you're gonna use a V8 in your entire range at least change the capacity to add a bit more character / uniqueness.

I'm struggling to understand your point - every single component is different, but you'd be happy if the but that is 'empty' space was a different size?

Your post reads a bit like 'I kinda like the 3.5l turbo v6 F1 engines, but they're too similar to the Ford Ecoboost lump, just not enough difference in character'...

[GarageQueen]

Sway said:

GarageQueen said:

Sway said:

GarageQueen said:

When the hell are they going to get rid of that bloody V8 that appears in their ENTIRE range?

Except it doesn't. Whilst the whole range use an engine of the same configuration and capacity, they are not the same engine in different states of tune. Components aren't shared, nor are they compatible.

Same as the carbon tub is different in every car, but people still believe that a P1 is a tarted up 650S.

To me it doesn't seem right to use the same configuration and capacity for cars ranging from 150K - 2million quid. If you're gonna use a V8 in your entire range at least change the capacity to add a bit more character / uniqueness.

I'm struggling to understand your point - every single component is different, but you'd be happy if the but that is 'empty' space was a different size?

yes I would.....I'd like a bigger capacity engine please.

[suffolk009]

Have I missed something? I thought the original idea of the article was that McLaren are rumoured to be returning to the central driving position - as they used in the F1.

I don't think there was any suggestion that this car will be a spiritual successor to the F1. Perhaps other than the unusual central drivers seat.

[VladD]

DeanHelix said:

Lets see, possible successor to the F1, F2 sounds naff and second rate, so....."McLaren F-Zero"
Is it really so difficult?

I think the engine will ultimately come from their Omission Free Future project, so the name McLaren F-OFF is more likely.