ABD Launches Campaign Against Speed Awareness Courses
Discussion
Haven't some serving BiB said that they have no say over whether someone gets prosecuted that they basically fill out a form and someone that sits in an office that wasn't there and didn't see it makes the decision?
So the scope for discretion and proportionality is down to a binary choice by the officer(s) concerned? Their choice is let them off or do them?
So BiB are being micro managed and their binary choice of issue paperwork and let someone over the horizon that didn't witness it deal with it or give them a proportionate telling off but no paperwork is comparable with an automatic machine that issues a NIP on the basis of a pre-determined limit?
The view that everyone disagrees can't take their medicine is a bit daft as well. Last time I was caught I don't think I was doing anything particularly dangerous or risky then or now. I broke a limit, it's a technicality like parking on a double yellow or an overdue library book. I was fine with paying the fine or the SAC fee. Do I think I was doing anything particularly harmful, risky or dangerous? No.
There's another thread here about a young woman in her 20s not having a clue about windscreen washer fluid and where to put it. The issue of speeding is being dumbed down to 'Speed Kills' to get the message across and excuse and justify the proliferation of cameras?
I don't think people breaking a speed limit should be dealt with more harshly than someone committing assault or theft.
Does the number of prosecutions and the money raised by fines or SAC fees count towards bonus payments made to senior officers?
So the scope for discretion and proportionality is down to a binary choice by the officer(s) concerned? Their choice is let them off or do them?
So BiB are being micro managed and their binary choice of issue paperwork and let someone over the horizon that didn't witness it deal with it or give them a proportionate telling off but no paperwork is comparable with an automatic machine that issues a NIP on the basis of a pre-determined limit?
The view that everyone disagrees can't take their medicine is a bit daft as well. Last time I was caught I don't think I was doing anything particularly dangerous or risky then or now. I broke a limit, it's a technicality like parking on a double yellow or an overdue library book. I was fine with paying the fine or the SAC fee. Do I think I was doing anything particularly harmful, risky or dangerous? No.
There's another thread here about a young woman in her 20s not having a clue about windscreen washer fluid and where to put it. The issue of speeding is being dumbed down to 'Speed Kills' to get the message across and excuse and justify the proliferation of cameras?
I don't think people breaking a speed limit should be dealt with more harshly than someone committing assault or theft.
Does the number of prosecutions and the money raised by fines or SAC fees count towards bonus payments made to senior officers?
Edited by carinaman on Friday 22 July 09:14
carinaman said:
Haven't some serving BiB said that they have no say over whether someone gets prosecuted that they basically fill out a form and someone that sits in an office that wasn't there and didn't see it makes the decision?
So the scope for discretion and proportionality is down to a binary choice by the officer(s) concerned? Their choice is let them off or do them?
I expect in many cases there wasn't a BiB there either; how many speeders are clocked by fixed cameras, how many are clocked by non-police camera operators and how many are clocked by a proper cop?So the scope for discretion and proportionality is down to a binary choice by the officer(s) concerned? Their choice is let them off or do them?
When I got a NIP, there was a scale indicating for each speed limit, the speeds you were going over the limit that would result in: the choice of SAC or FP; FP only; or summons.
carinaman said:
The view that everyone disagrees can't take their medicine is a bit daft as well. Last time I was caught I don't think I was doing anything particularly dangerous or risky then or now. I broke a limit, it's a technicality like parking on a double yellow or an overdue library book. I was fine with paying the fine or the SAC fee. Do I think I was doing anything particularly harmful, risky or dangerous? No.
not sure I get your point here. So lets say we agree that that particular bit of speeding was no more dangerous or antisocial than parking on a yellow line or having an overdue library book. So you would pay the parking fine and the library fine but somehow think you should not pay the speeding fine or go on a course?Edited by carinaman on Friday 22 July 09:14
I also find it interesting that you say "last time I was caught". Meaning you have been caught a few times? Forgive me for judging someone I don't know, but doesn't that in itself suggest you aren't as observant as you like to think? Next time it might not be a speed camera you miss, it might be a small child......
Just to clarify, I have a fairly relaxed attitude to speed limits myself but if I do decide to go faster than the limit I base that on two things - is it safe and is there a chance I get caught. Both need good situational awareness and in 30 years of driving I have never been caught
That might sound holier than thou but if I do get caught (and, given what I have just said, it will probably happen tomorrow!) I will not be whinging about too many cameras, I will berating myself for not paying attention to what I am doing!
Barrister friend got caught doing 80mph on a motorway, sac spent whole time expounding dangers of breaking town limits which he never deliberately did for that exact reason. Knew better than to ask the difference between hitting a pedestrian at 70mph rather than 80mph or how much more dangerous a well maintained car was on a mway at 80mph in good conditions.
I am religious about obeying 30 and 40 limits in built up areas but less so where they are posted inappropriately (& there's no where for a van to hide). I'm not very good on a well sighted hazard free A road in good conditions at obeying them but on the safest roads (empty mway) I leave it at under 10% + 2mph. Has worked for 21 years touching wood.
What drives me mad us the 45mph brigade who on well sighted a roads do this speed but come to a narrow village with kids wandering all over the place coming out of school still do 45mph (or even speed up if the road becomes straighter)!
I'd actually be very happy to have a car that automatically obeyed town limits (with an override ford speed limiter style) AS LONG as they used the limits properly ie start just before the houses and end just after, not an arbitrary 1/2 mile before for no reason which just devalues the speed restriction imo. This would deal with the numpties well and should reduce road deaths too.
I am religious about obeying 30 and 40 limits in built up areas but less so where they are posted inappropriately (& there's no where for a van to hide). I'm not very good on a well sighted hazard free A road in good conditions at obeying them but on the safest roads (empty mway) I leave it at under 10% + 2mph. Has worked for 21 years touching wood.
What drives me mad us the 45mph brigade who on well sighted a roads do this speed but come to a narrow village with kids wandering all over the place coming out of school still do 45mph (or even speed up if the road becomes straighter)!
I'd actually be very happy to have a car that automatically obeyed town limits (with an override ford speed limiter style) AS LONG as they used the limits properly ie start just before the houses and end just after, not an arbitrary 1/2 mile before for no reason which just devalues the speed restriction imo. This would deal with the numpties well and should reduce road deaths too.
brman said:
not sure I get your point here. So lets say we agree that that particular bit of speeding was no more dangerous or antisocial than parking on a yellow line or having an overdue library book. So you would pay the parking fine and the library fine but somehow think you should not pay the speeding fine or go on a course?
I also find it interesting that you say "last time I was caught". Meaning you have been caught a few times? Forgive me for judging someone I don't know, but doesn't that in itself suggest you aren't as observant as you like to think? Next time it might not be a speed camera you miss, it might be a small child......
Just to clarify, I have a fairly relaxed attitude to speed limits myself but if I do decide to go faster than the limit I base that on two things - is it safe and is there a chance I get caught. Both need good situational awareness and in 30 years of driving I have never been caught
That might sound holier than thou but if I do get caught (and, given what I have just said, it will probably happen tomorrow!) I will not be whinging about too many cameras, I will berating myself for not paying attention to what I am doing!
No problem at all with your point. I also find it interesting that you say "last time I was caught". Meaning you have been caught a few times? Forgive me for judging someone I don't know, but doesn't that in itself suggest you aren't as observant as you like to think? Next time it might not be a speed camera you miss, it might be a small child......
Just to clarify, I have a fairly relaxed attitude to speed limits myself but if I do decide to go faster than the limit I base that on two things - is it safe and is there a chance I get caught. Both need good situational awareness and in 30 years of driving I have never been caught
That might sound holier than thou but if I do get caught (and, given what I have just said, it will probably happen tomorrow!) I will not be whinging about too many cameras, I will berating myself for not paying attention to what I am doing!
I've been caught speeding twice, with about a decade between them. The first time was on a spring Sunday evening just after dusk on an A-road on the outskirts of a market town on a 250 mile journey. I think I was doing 43 in a 30. There was an operation on with the police waving those exceeding the limit into a side turning into an industrial estate where they'd parked their cars and had other officers doing the paperwork.
I can see how that junction into an industrial estate may be an accident blackspot during rush hour on week days, but I'd have thought the risks would be less on a Sunday evening. It's on the outskirts of a market town so there were no pedestrian or kids chasing balls risk on a Sunday evening.
The second offence was on a road I know very well. It's an arterial route that's had the limit reduced over the years, and been reduced in width from a dual carriageway to single carriageway with painted areas and cycle lanes. I was speeding midday on week day for a specific reason, not for fun or because I could. The road has a slight curve on it with a banked grass verge that's at about 30 degrees from the horizontal with another road parallel to it. The camera van was parked on that parallel road on the curve so not visible until into the curve. I'm not sure if I even backed off as I knew I was speeding and that the van was there. I knew I was over the limit and by how much. There were 2 or 3 other cars on the road, there's a central reservation and no side turnings. It had been raining earlier but the road was still shiny with dampness.
I didn't have to speed. I could have dismissed or ignored the external factor that influenced my decision to speed. I don't think it was particularly dangerous. I don't think it would have looked particularly dangerous if replayed on video. So it may have served as a reminder to watch my speed, but I'd previously driven down that road hundreds of times within the limit.
I've been caught speeding twice, but done five Advanced Tests with IAM and RoSPA. I've also had my driving assessed by two other organisations to enable me to drive their vehicles, one of them commenting how good the drive was.
All of my Advanced test reports mention good observation. It's difficult to spot the camera van if it's on a parallel road atop a steep verge on a curve.
I find it difficult to see where the getting people to drive people slower everywhere because it may reduce casuality figures ends and normalising paying up for infringing what it some cases looks like a technicality that raises revenue starts.
I've also first hand experience of public sector 'What if X,Y or Z had happened' to excuse and justify some utter nonsense. Jobsworths promoted beyond their abilities and talent dreaming up unworldly scenarios that were highly impropable.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-31849421
See the bit entitled empahsis on revenue.
Are senior police officers rewarded by bonuses for offences logged or crimes detected? Could any targeting of motorists to help ensure senior police officers achieve their bonuses be harmful to the relationship between the police and the public? Did the now replaced ACPO suggest that giving bonuses to senior officers for crime detection rates wasn't a very good idea?
Does the societal benefits of the SAC moneyground offset any negative impact on the relationship between the public and the police?
carinaman said:
[... snipped lots of stuff proving I was unfair to judge his observational skills.... .......]
Does the societal benefits of the SAC moneyground offset any negative impact on the relationship between the public and the police?
Ok, so I take the point about your driving skills so I have just that bit about the SACs which is the point of this thread. I guess where I am coming from is that most of the people on this thread (and most that I have talked to about it) and so (maybe) most of the population do not see SACs as a money making exercise. .......]Does the societal benefits of the SAC moneyground offset any negative impact on the relationship between the public and the police?
So, in answer to that last question I would say yes........
RemyMartin said:
CypSIdders said:
waremark said:
Another here who believes that they are generally a good thing. I have attended two.
stumpage said:
I've now done 3 SACs.
So not that effective then!
Most of the responses in this thread strangely remind me of the responses I get when I try to teach people how to gamble successfully. As we all know, gambling is a mug's game, we've been told that for ever, and largely that's true. But it's only a mug's game if you don't know how to succeed.
When I teach people I explain that the outcome of a bet is irrelevant, whether a bet wins or loses is totally 100% irrelevant to success.
I place in the region of 150 bets per day, each bet being judged at the point of placement. The price achieved means everything, the result of each bet means nothing and is of no interest to me.
Probably less than 1 in 100 gamblers can fully understand that simple truth. Most will continue studying endless stats and form trying to predict the future, and continue losing.
So here we are on a driving enthusiasts website, where it appears by responses here that possibly 1 in 100 drivers cannot see that SAC's used as a tool for speeding offences is producing a multi million pound rapidly expanding industry, leading to the proliferation of speed camera vans. The more you all want to go on the course, the more vans they will buy.
Perhaps understandably, most have a short term view and can't see the bigger picture beyond their own selfishness of choice between penalty points or a course, and in that respect the course operators have played a blinder.
But long term the bottom line is, supporting SAC's makes the driver their own worst enemy.
When I teach people I explain that the outcome of a bet is irrelevant, whether a bet wins or loses is totally 100% irrelevant to success.
I place in the region of 150 bets per day, each bet being judged at the point of placement. The price achieved means everything, the result of each bet means nothing and is of no interest to me.
Probably less than 1 in 100 gamblers can fully understand that simple truth. Most will continue studying endless stats and form trying to predict the future, and continue losing.
So here we are on a driving enthusiasts website, where it appears by responses here that possibly 1 in 100 drivers cannot see that SAC's used as a tool for speeding offences is producing a multi million pound rapidly expanding industry, leading to the proliferation of speed camera vans. The more you all want to go on the course, the more vans they will buy.
Perhaps understandably, most have a short term view and can't see the bigger picture beyond their own selfishness of choice between penalty points or a course, and in that respect the course operators have played a blinder.
But long term the bottom line is, supporting SAC's makes the driver their own worst enemy.
deeps said:
Most of the responses in this thread strangely remind me of the responses I get when I try to teach people how to gamble successfully. As we all know, gambling is a mug's game, we've been told that for ever, and largely that's true. But it's only a mug's game if you don't know how to succeed.
When I teach people I explain that the outcome of a bet is irrelevant, whether a bet wins or loses is totally 100% irrelevant to success.
I place in the region of 150 bets per day, each bet being judged at the point of placement. The price achieved means everything, the result of each bet means nothing and is of no interest to me.
Probably less than 1 in 100 gamblers can fully understand that simple truth. Most will continue studying endless stats and form trying to predict the future, and continue losing.
So here we are on a driving enthusiasts website, where it appears by responses here that possibly 1 in 100 drivers cannot see that SAC's used as a tool for speeding offences is producing a multi million pound rapidly expanding industry, leading to the proliferation of speed camera vans. The more you all want to go on the course, the more vans they will buy.
Perhaps understandably, most have a short term view and can't see the bigger picture beyond their own selfishness of choice between penalty points or a course, and in that respect the course operators have played a blinder.
But long term the bottom line is, supporting SAC's makes the driver their own worst enemy.
Your first four paragraphs are irrelevant, the remaining three are bovine excreta - insulting those whose support your seek is not going to help your cause.When I teach people I explain that the outcome of a bet is irrelevant, whether a bet wins or loses is totally 100% irrelevant to success.
I place in the region of 150 bets per day, each bet being judged at the point of placement. The price achieved means everything, the result of each bet means nothing and is of no interest to me.
Probably less than 1 in 100 gamblers can fully understand that simple truth. Most will continue studying endless stats and form trying to predict the future, and continue losing.
So here we are on a driving enthusiasts website, where it appears by responses here that possibly 1 in 100 drivers cannot see that SAC's used as a tool for speeding offences is producing a multi million pound rapidly expanding industry, leading to the proliferation of speed camera vans. The more you all want to go on the course, the more vans they will buy.
Perhaps understandably, most have a short term view and can't see the bigger picture beyond their own selfishness of choice between penalty points or a course, and in that respect the course operators have played a blinder.
But long term the bottom line is, supporting SAC's makes the driver their own worst enemy.
Edited by Riley Blue on Saturday 23 July 09:03
deeps said:
Most of the responses in this thread strangely remind me of the responses I get when I try to teach people how to gamble successfully. As we all know, gambling is a mug's game, we've been told that for ever, and largely that's true. But it's only a mug's game if you don't know how to succeed.
When I teach people I explain that the outcome of a bet is irrelevant, whether a bet wins or loses is totally 100% irrelevant to success.
I place in the region of 150 bets per day, each bet being judged at the point of placement. The price achieved means everything, the result of each bet means nothing and is of no interest to me.
Probably less than 1 in 100 gamblers can fully understand that simple truth. Most will continue studying endless stats and form trying to predict the future, and continue losing.
So here we are on a driving enthusiasts website, where it appears by responses here that possibly 1 in 100 drivers cannot see that SAC's used as a tool for speeding offences is producing a multi million pound rapidly expanding industry, leading to the proliferation of speed camera vans. The more you all want to go on the course, the more vans they will buy.
Perhaps understandably, most have a short term view and can't see the bigger picture beyond their own selfishness of choice between penalty points or a course, and in that respect the course operators have played a blinder.
But long term the bottom line is, supporting SAC's makes the driver their own worst enemy.
That's right, you are not winning your argument so the best thing to do is insult those you want support from. Nice move.......... When I teach people I explain that the outcome of a bet is irrelevant, whether a bet wins or loses is totally 100% irrelevant to success.
I place in the region of 150 bets per day, each bet being judged at the point of placement. The price achieved means everything, the result of each bet means nothing and is of no interest to me.
Probably less than 1 in 100 gamblers can fully understand that simple truth. Most will continue studying endless stats and form trying to predict the future, and continue losing.
So here we are on a driving enthusiasts website, where it appears by responses here that possibly 1 in 100 drivers cannot see that SAC's used as a tool for speeding offences is producing a multi million pound rapidly expanding industry, leading to the proliferation of speed camera vans. The more you all want to go on the course, the more vans they will buy.
Perhaps understandably, most have a short term view and can't see the bigger picture beyond their own selfishness of choice between penalty points or a course, and in that respect the course operators have played a blinder.
But long term the bottom line is, supporting SAC's makes the driver their own worst enemy.
I am sure I am not the only one to see the irony in the bit highlighted
deeps said:
I did suspect many people would miss the point. This is exactly how they are getting away with offering these courses and raking in millions!
I must admit, I find it painful to see how people so willingly accept this scam, this legalised robbery, as can be seen by the responses in this thread.
Each to their own though, I guess if this is going to be the typical response then there will be very little support.
This must be why the ABD feels it necessary to exaggerate the extent of its membership.I must admit, I find it painful to see how people so willingly accept this scam, this legalised robbery, as can be seen by the responses in this thread.
Each to their own though, I guess if this is going to be the typical response then there will be very little support.
deeps said:
Most of the responses in this thread strangely remind me of the responses I get when I try to teach people how to gamble successfully. As we all know, gambling is a mug's game, we've been told that for ever, and largely that's true. But it's only a mug's game if you don't know how to succeed.
When I teach people I explain that the outcome of a bet is irrelevant, whether a bet wins or loses is totally 100% irrelevant to success.
I place in the region of 150 bets per day, each bet being judged at the point of placement. The price achieved means everything, the result of each bet means nothing and is of no interest to me.
Probably less than 1 in 100 gamblers can fully understand that simple truth. Most will continue studying endless stats and form trying to predict the future, and continue losing.
So here we are on a driving enthusiasts website, where it appears by responses here that possibly 1 in 100 drivers cannot see that SAC's used as a tool for speeding offences is producing a multi million pound rapidly expanding industry, leading to the proliferation of speed camera vans. The more you all want to go on the course, the more vans they will buy.
Perhaps understandably, most have a short term view and can't see the bigger picture beyond their own selfishness of choice between penalty points or a course, and in that respect the course operators have played a blinder.
But long term the bottom line is, supporting SAC's makes the driver their own worst enemy.
Everything about your attitude becomes clear...When I teach people I explain that the outcome of a bet is irrelevant, whether a bet wins or loses is totally 100% irrelevant to success.
I place in the region of 150 bets per day, each bet being judged at the point of placement. The price achieved means everything, the result of each bet means nothing and is of no interest to me.
Probably less than 1 in 100 gamblers can fully understand that simple truth. Most will continue studying endless stats and form trying to predict the future, and continue losing.
So here we are on a driving enthusiasts website, where it appears by responses here that possibly 1 in 100 drivers cannot see that SAC's used as a tool for speeding offences is producing a multi million pound rapidly expanding industry, leading to the proliferation of speed camera vans. The more you all want to go on the course, the more vans they will buy.
Perhaps understandably, most have a short term view and can't see the bigger picture beyond their own selfishness of choice between penalty points or a course, and in that respect the course operators have played a blinder.
But long term the bottom line is, supporting SAC's makes the driver their own worst enemy.
What are the stats on numbers of operative mobile camera units? I have the impression that it has significantly reduced since the days of Speed Camera Partnerships retaining the fines.
I would have attributed the growth in the SAC industry to the broader parameters for escaping fines, and as such I welcome it.
I would have attributed the growth in the SAC industry to the broader parameters for escaping fines, and as such I welcome it.
To me the ABD should be fighting Mayor Khan's proposal for his ULEZ zone, this is a far bigger issue than speed awareness courses.
He is basically admitted he's not going to do f
k all to sort out London's Congestion instead he's going to charge the guy coming into London with his 2003 Porsche/Mercedes/Ford/Ferrari an extra £10.00 all in the name of Air Quality.
Before you say what else can he do here's a list of exactly what he could in the name of air quality before introducing yet another tax & actually doing nothing to improve the situation.
1) Remove some of the Traffic Light (it's around a traffic light every 800 yards)
2) Raise the speed limit from 20mph back to 30mph all cars Petrol/Diesel are at their most inefficient
3) Reopen some of the cut throughs that have systematically closed off therefore spreading the traffic rather having idling in queues.
4) Get those building these new apartments to pay towards infrastructure projects rather than dropping another 1000 people into an area without a thought to the consequences.
5) Make all freight flights that land at Heathrow/Gatwick/Stansted now land at the unused Manston Airport which would free up slots & get planes on the ground therefore less stacking as well as having the freight in an area that is already the freight hub of the South of England.
6) Admit that the reduction of carriageway space to private & goods vehicles by a 1/3 since TFL came to existence may have had an effect on traffic levels along the 100,000 (& counting) new apartments in London all of which need servicing by tradesmen.
7) Raise the speed limits to 70mph on those arterial roads coming out of London (leave them at 50mph coming in) for example the A2 should be 70mph from the Kidbrooke interchange onwards, the A13 from Canning Town onwards & the list goes on
The above is my rant but everyone of those proposals is workable & would have an actual effect on the environment as well as getting things moving, but I get the feeling this isn't what's wanted.
So ABD come on take a proper cause up & really start fighting this.
He is basically admitted he's not going to do f
k all to sort out London's Congestion instead he's going to charge the guy coming into London with his 2003 Porsche/Mercedes/Ford/Ferrari an extra £10.00 all in the name of Air Quality.Before you say what else can he do here's a list of exactly what he could in the name of air quality before introducing yet another tax & actually doing nothing to improve the situation.
1) Remove some of the Traffic Light (it's around a traffic light every 800 yards)
2) Raise the speed limit from 20mph back to 30mph all cars Petrol/Diesel are at their most inefficient
3) Reopen some of the cut throughs that have systematically closed off therefore spreading the traffic rather having idling in queues.
4) Get those building these new apartments to pay towards infrastructure projects rather than dropping another 1000 people into an area without a thought to the consequences.
5) Make all freight flights that land at Heathrow/Gatwick/Stansted now land at the unused Manston Airport which would free up slots & get planes on the ground therefore less stacking as well as having the freight in an area that is already the freight hub of the South of England.
6) Admit that the reduction of carriageway space to private & goods vehicles by a 1/3 since TFL came to existence may have had an effect on traffic levels along the 100,000 (& counting) new apartments in London all of which need servicing by tradesmen.
7) Raise the speed limits to 70mph on those arterial roads coming out of London (leave them at 50mph coming in) for example the A2 should be 70mph from the Kidbrooke interchange onwards, the A13 from Canning Town onwards & the list goes on
The above is my rant but everyone of those proposals is workable & would have an actual effect on the environment as well as getting things moving, but I get the feeling this isn't what's wanted.
So ABD come on take a proper cause up & really start fighting this.
Riley Blue said:
Your first four paragraphs are irrelevant, the remaining three are bovine excreta - insulting those whose support your seek is not going to help your cause.
Please quote where I have insulted anyone, I cannot see it.Edited by Riley Blue on Saturday 23 July 09:03
Your words however I would see as an insult, hence why I haven't lowered myself to that sort of language.
waremark said:
What are the stats on numbers of operative mobile camera units? I have the impression that it has significantly reduced since the days of Speed Camera Partnerships retaining the fines.
I would have attributed the growth in the SAC industry to the broader parameters for escaping fines, and as such I welcome it.
Good question. Here in Somerset the speed camera partnership was disbanded when they could no longer keep the money from fines, fixed cameras were turned off and vans were scrapped. The job was rightly left to traffic police.I would have attributed the growth in the SAC industry to the broader parameters for escaping fines, and as such I welcome it.
Then the clever SAC's were invented, securing a huge flow of money for funding speed camera vans, which have returned with bells and whistles.
Your impression of a reduction in vans is incorrect, I don't know where you received your information?
The amount of course venues in most counties around the country is staggering, each holding 2 or more sittings per day. It's a mind boggling amount of money when you attempt to work it out.
ZX10R NIN said:
To me the ABD should be fighting Mayor Khan's proposal for his ULEZ zone, this is a far bigger issue than speed awareness courses.
Have read and agree with each of your points, although I wouldn't agree it's a bigger issue than the SAC issue, it's equally as important.You should contact the ABD with your points, I'd be surprised if they're not already working on it, but it helps when people with a common sense practical attitude put suggestions forward.
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