The best drivel to come out of a dealers mouth.

[unrepentant]

Theophany said:

"Professionals"?

We're talking about salespeople, not accountants, GPs, engineers, what have you. I think you need to be a tad more realistic with your expectations.

Selling is a profession. And nearly every successful entrepreneur is a salesperson. As in every profession there are good ones and bad ones. Look through the CEO's of the Fortune 500 and you'll find that most of them are salespeople. Why would you sneer at sales people and imply that they are somehow inferior to accountants and engineers? What do you do that makes you feel so superior?

[xRIEx]

unrepentant said:

Theophany said:

"Professionals"?

We're talking about salespeople, not accountants, GPs, engineers, what have you. I think you need to be a tad more realistic with your expectations.

Selling is a profession.

Erm, not by itself, it isn't. The definition is just a google away: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profession

[k-ink]

Mercedes main dealer; "Your gearbox is leaking electricity".

Really.

[X5TUU]

Sales is not a professional occupation by any stretch, just look at the volume of call centres packed with sales people for all sorts of items and commodities ... Anyone can do it, where as accountancy, engineering, medicine etc... you have to train and study for before you can even commence and find out if you're good or great

[bigkeeko]

"They all do that Sir".

The car supermarket type salesmen are the ones that come out with the most tripe from the moment you walk into the premises. Out they come from the portacabin with the cheap suit and pointy shoes with the `hard sell` and shyte talk.

Engine management light is on? "Ah, it's been sitting while"

Airbag light is on? "Ah, valetor must have knocked the sensor under the seat with the hoover" But it isn't clean. "Ah, don't worry it'll be all valeted prior to sale". Is it MOT'd? "Ah, no but it will have 12 months prior to sale" There's red overspray on the window rubbers and windscreen "Ah, that will be cleaned off prior to sale".
Ok, Looks like an oil leak there from behind the rocker cover . "Ah, all our cars have a 127 (make a number up) point inspection prior to sale.
It's making a strange noise here. "Ah, it's a common thing with this model"

"Actually we offer one of the best warranties on the market"

Edited by bigkeeko on Friday 22 July 20:07

[Revisitph]

yonex said:

'No doubt this is a big step In performance terms from what you're used to'

- arrived in a 240HP Caterham to look at a 911 at an APC.

Well... depends what performance I suppose.

In terms of keeping hair and beard dry and keeping most OHs happy I suspect most 911s would outperform.

DOI - I've owned a Caterham (not 240HP) and once upon a time had a beard - and even some hair on top!

[Fast Bug]

X5TUU said:

Sales is not a professional occupation by any stretch, just look at the volume of call centres packed with sales people for all sorts of items and commodities ... Anyone can do it, where as accountancy, engineering, medicine etc... you have to train and study for before you can even commence and find out if you're good or great

You say that, but you've not seen some of the people I've worked with

[Butter Face]

X5TUU said:

Anyone can do it,

In theory you're correct.

In practise, you are so, so very wrong.

[unrepentant]

Fast Bug said:

X5TUU said:

Sales is not a professional occupation by any stretch, just look at the volume of call centres packed with sales people for all sorts of items and commodities ... Anyone can do it, where as accountancy, engineering, medicine etc... you have to train and study for before you can even commence and find out if you're good or great

You say that, but you've not seen some of the people I've worked with

It's like every other career. There are good doctors, quacks and then there's Harold Shipman. There are very good people who sell, are professional and do very well indeed. There are others who are not so good and some who are terrible. Most people can't sell and would struggle to survive if they tried.

[Willlll]

Evans Halshaw today on an 18 month old Citroen Cactus.

The whole experience was a shambles. The car was a shambles. Service light was on and no service history.

Annoyingly it was one of the rarer 110BHP petrol models and at the right price so I was willing to find out as much as I could. I questioned the service to which he went of to find out more. Came back to tell me that the car was passed on to them from Citroen and wasn't to worry as its a 2 year service period.

Lie 1 - Its a 1 year period.

Lie 2 - The car was part ex'd from XXXX branch of Evans Halshaw. It said so on the 40" screen they used to show all the cars facts and figures.

To finish it off I do a quick search on the No plate to find it was last taxed 9 months ago. Told the guy I'd had enough as there was too many negatives and tries to blag its been on the forecourt for 9 months. The screen said part Ex'd 6 weeks ago.

Christ. If your going to lie at least turn of the screen with the truth on.

[Blakewater]

I was assured a car would be cheap to insure because it had low CO2 emissions and even when I questioned this I was told emissions are linked to insurance costs.

[Butter Face]

Blakewater said:

I was assured a car would be cheap to insure because it had low CO2 emissions and even when I questioned this I was told emissions are linked to insurance costs.

Fair comment. Lower co2 emissions are normally found on cars with lower power outputs = lower insurance. Dumbed down but not far off wrong.....

[Butter Face]

Willlll said:

Evans Halshaw today on an 18 month old Citroen Cactus.

The whole experience was a shambles. The car was a shambles. Service light was on and no service history.

Annoyingly it was one of the rarer 110BHP petrol models and at the right price so I was willing to find out as much as I could. I questioned the service to which he went of to find out more. Came back to tell me that the car was passed on to them from Citroen and wasn't to worry as its a 2 year service period.

Lie 1 - Its a 1 year period.

Lie 2 - The car was part ex'd from XXXX branch of Evans Halshaw. It said so on the 40" screen they used to show all the cars facts and figures.

To finish it off I do a quick search on the No plate to find it was last taxed 9 months ago. Told the guy I'd had enough as there was too many negatives and tries to blag its been on the forecourt for 9 months. The screen said part Ex'd 6 weeks ago.

Christ. If your going to lie at least turn of the screen with the truth on.

The screen was wrong. It's a 64 plate in grey right? 1.2 pure tech 110 bhp? It's been in their stock since 26/10/15. He wasn't blagging you at all.

He was incorrect about the sevrvice schedule though.

[xRIEx]

Butter Face said:

Blakewater said:

I was assured a car would be cheap to insure because it had low CO2 emissions and even when I questioned this I was told emissions are linked to insurance costs.

Fair comment. Lower co2 emissions are normally found on cars with lower power outputs = lower insurance. Dumbed down but not far off wrong.....

Golf R - CO2 165g/km
MX-5 2.0 - CO2 181g/km

Not convinced.

[Sheepshanks]

unrepentant said:

Look through the CEO's of the Fortune 500 and you'll find that most of them are salespeople. Why would you sneer at sales people and imply that they are somehow inferior to accountants and engineers?

You've got the right three professions (sales & marketing at a level in a Fortune 500 company that might lead to becoming CEO is a lot different to being a car sales puke) but in the wrong order.

Background is 1) Finance 2) Engineering 3) Sales & Marketing. The last one is about 20%, so a long way from "most".

[Butter Face]

xRIEx said:

Butter Face said:

Blakewater said:

I was assured a car would be cheap to insure because it had low CO2 emissions and even when I questioned this I was told emissions are linked to insurance costs.

Fair comment. Lower co2 emissions are normally found on cars with lower power outputs = lower insurance. Dumbed down but not far off wrong.....

Golf R - CO2 165g/km
MX-5 2.0 - CO2 181g/km

Not convinced.

I said normally. You picked extreme examples. And there's only 5 groups between those two cars.





Also, the VW emissions figure will be utter utter bks

[anonymous-user]

Revisitph said:

Well... depends what performance I suppose.

In terms of keeping hair and beard dry and keeping most OHs happy I suspect most 911s would outperform.

DOI - I've owned a Caterham (not 240HP) and once upon a time had a beard - and even some hair on top!

Ah, it's just that guy, he's always pissing up people's lamposts with his 'junior supercars'

[The Mad Monk]

unrepentant said:

There are good doctors, quacks and then there's Harold Shipman.

Harold Shipman was a well qualified doctor. He was very competent - when he wanted to be! He would have sailed through any of the tests and checks that have been put in place since his criminal acts.

[Blakewater]

Butter Face said:

xRIEx said:

Butter Face said:

Blakewater said:

I was assured a car would be cheap to insure because it had low CO2 emissions and even when I questioned this I was told emissions are linked to insurance costs.

Fair comment. Lower co2 emissions are normally found on cars with lower power outputs = lower insurance. Dumbed down but not far off wrong.....

Golf R - CO2 165g/km
MX-5 2.0 - CO2 181g/km

Not convinced.

I said normally. You picked extreme examples. And there's only 5 groups between those two cars.





Also, the VW emissions figure will be utter utter bks

I get the point, but he wouldn't be swayed when I specifically questioned a direct link. The car in question was an Audi A4 2.0TDi 150bhp.

[Butter Face]

Blakewater said:

Butter Face said:

xRIEx said:

Butter Face said:

Blakewater said:

I was assured a car would be cheap to insure because it had low CO2 emissions and even when I questioned this I was told emissions are linked to insurance costs.

Fair comment. Lower co2 emissions are normally found on cars with lower power outputs = lower insurance. Dumbed down but not far off wrong.....

Golf R - CO2 165g/km
MX-5 2.0 - CO2 181g/km

Not convinced.

I said normally. You picked extreme examples. And there's only 5 groups between those two cars.





Also, the VW emissions figure will be utter utter bks

I get the point, but he wouldn't be swayed when I specifically questioned a direct link. The car in question was an Audi A4 2.0TDi 150bhp.

A blag rather than a lie really. His logic was on the right path, he probably wasn't expecting a follow up Q&A session