RE: TVR announces sponsorship of Ebbw Vale rugby
Discussion
C70R said:
The valleys have seen many a 'saviour' come and go in the years since the demise of mining (and the Ebbw Vale steelworks). Locals are cynical about big business that appear, build (or recommission) a factory and then bugger off with no warning once the government subsidies dry up (or they find somewhere cheaper).
The WDA (and others) were savvy enough to generate short-term interest from some big names such as Sony, Aiwa and LG in years gone by, all of whom came and went with little of note contributed to the people of the community, apart from a short period of employment before being tossed back on the dole pile with a bunch of useless skills. There's a lot of negative sentiment towards the businesses who seemed to care little about the people they employed and the (tight-knit) communities they served, understandably so.
I have a great ignorance of manufacturing in general and Ebbw Vale demographics in particular, but I would assume that skills around mining and steelworks translate better to building cars than building TVs, stereos and microchips. Fingers crossed this makes a good partnership.The WDA (and others) were savvy enough to generate short-term interest from some big names such as Sony, Aiwa and LG in years gone by, all of whom came and went with little of note contributed to the people of the community, apart from a short period of employment before being tossed back on the dole pile with a bunch of useless skills. There's a lot of negative sentiment towards the businesses who seemed to care little about the people they employed and the (tight-knit) communities they served, understandably so.
xRIEx said:
C70R said:
The valleys have seen many a 'saviour' come and go in the years since the demise of mining (and the Ebbw Vale steelworks). Locals are cynical about big business that appear, build (or recommission) a factory and then bugger off with no warning once the government subsidies dry up (or they find somewhere cheaper).
The WDA (and others) were savvy enough to generate short-term interest from some big names such as Sony, Aiwa and LG in years gone by, all of whom came and went with little of note contributed to the people of the community, apart from a short period of employment before being tossed back on the dole pile with a bunch of useless skills. There's a lot of negative sentiment towards the businesses who seemed to care little about the people they employed and the (tight-knit) communities they served, understandably so.
I have a great ignorance of manufacturing in general and Ebbw Vale demographics in particular, but I would assume that skills around mining and steelworks translate better to building cars than building TVs, stereos and microchips. Fingers crossed this makes a good partnership.The WDA (and others) were savvy enough to generate short-term interest from some big names such as Sony, Aiwa and LG in years gone by, all of whom came and went with little of note contributed to the people of the community, apart from a short period of employment before being tossed back on the dole pile with a bunch of useless skills. There's a lot of negative sentiment towards the businesses who seemed to care little about the people they employed and the (tight-knit) communities they served, understandably so.
Crazy that something that was the UK's (and one of Europe's) biggest steelworks can simply grind to a halt. But if you wanted to talk disappointment, that's one for the locals.
TOOMANYMS said:
I have had experience of strange things like this this before with football club sponsorship. In most cases the sponsor is actually a company in dire need of capital, trying to raise it's profile to generate interest with investors.
Too simplistic and naive an analysis.If this were the case, why would they be sponsoring a ~4th/5th division (in the context of the UK) rugby team that averages attendances of a few thousand in a good season?
xRIEx said:
They have a product - cars - we just haven't seen it yet.
It isn't a product until it is in production and being produced. 
The hell with 'producing positive sentiment among the local community'. How about producing positive sentiment among the poor idiots who are propping them up financially by means of their ill-advised deposits, instead of squandering said ill-advised deposits on sponsorship of an entirely un-related sport?
Leins said:
Shnozz said:
"Do you know the difference between a two tone 525 and an AC Cobra Rhys?"
I suspect AC Cobras are banned from Welsh rugby fields https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk-mSBdVUOI
Equus said:
xRIEx said:
They have a product - cars - we just haven't seen it yet.
It isn't a product until it is in production and being produced. The hell with 'producing positive sentiment among the local community'. How about producing positive sentiment among the poor idiots who are propping them up financially by means of their ill-advised deposits, instead of squandering said ill-advised deposits on sponsorship of an entirely un-related sport?
d you are.Perhaps if you stepped out of your autistic/OED-defining bubble, you would understand that the definition of "product" in business terms is "A good, idea, method, information, object or service created as a result of a process and serves a need or satisfies a want."
Only a moron (who disagrees with practically every successful business in the world) would think a product needs be available for it to be marketed.
If you used your brain a little, you'd realise that the sponsorship is entirely related. TVR is to be built in Ebbw Vale; Ebbw Vale rugby club is also in Ebbw Vale. Do you see how that works?
£10 says you haven't even placed a deposit, and you're just looking for something to whinge about.
C70R said:
Only a moron (who disagrees with practically every successful business in the world) would think a product needs be available for it to be marketed.
You know lots of successful businesses who've made their money by squandering investment funds on sponsorship of unrelated sports before ever fulfilling a single sale, do you? Frivolously giving money away is something traditionally done after you've actually made some...
C70R said:
If you used your brain a little, you'd realise that the sponsorship is entirely related. TVR is to be built in Ebbw Vale; Ebbw Vale rugby club is also in Ebbw Vale. Do you see how that works?
Knowing Ebbw Vale rather better than you do, I suspect (sum total of prospective TVR owners: nil... no, I tell a lie, somebody must be supplying the drugs locally), no frankly I don't.Believe me, TVR would generate quite enough 'positive sentiment' if they could actually create sustainable employment there, without spaffing their prospective customers' deposits on unnecessary and irrelevant sports sponsorship.
C70R said:
£10 says you haven't even placed a deposit
Damned right I haven't. I'm not that big a moron.Equus said:
It isn't a product until it is in production and being produced.
The hell with 'producing positive sentiment among the local community'. How about producing positive sentiment among the poor idiots who are propping them up financially by means of their ill-advised deposits, instead of squandering said ill-advised deposits on sponsorship of an entirely un-related sport?
Do you actually know anything about the consortium involved the the New TVR? Do you seriously think that the deposit people have put down are what is resurrecting TVR. 250 deposits is £1.25m, a piss in the ocean of the money they are investing.The hell with 'producing positive sentiment among the local community'. How about producing positive sentiment among the poor idiots who are propping them up financially by means of their ill-advised deposits, instead of squandering said ill-advised deposits on sponsorship of an entirely un-related sport?
I really don't understand why people have such a issue. Typical British attitude
N7GTX said:
When they make the first advert to launch the new car, I wonder if they'll use this as inspiration. Milky400 said:
Do you actually know anything about the consortium involved the the New TVR?
I know that they aren't putting customer deposits into an Escrow account, as you might expect them to do to protect their prospective customers' money.Don't get me wrong; I'd like to see the project succeed, and I have a lot of hope for anything that's been designed with Gordon Murray's involvement, but they seem to be making some very questionable business decisions along the way.
C70R said:
TOOMANYMS said:
I have had experience of strange things like this this before with football club sponsorship. In most cases the sponsor is actually a company in dire need of capital, trying to raise it's profile to generate interest with investors.
Too simplistic and naive an analysis.If this were the case, why would they be sponsoring a ~4th/5th division (in the context of the UK) rugby team that averages attendances of a few thousand in a good season?
C70R said:
Equus said:
xRIEx said:
They have a product - cars - we just haven't seen it yet.
It isn't a product until it is in production and being produced. The hell with 'producing positive sentiment among the local community'. How about producing positive sentiment among the poor idiots who are propping them up financially by means of their ill-advised deposits, instead of squandering said ill-advised deposits on sponsorship of an entirely un-related sport?
d you are.Perhaps if you stepped out of your autistic/OED-defining bubble, you would understand that the definition of "product" in business terms is "A good, idea, method, information, object or service created as a result of a process and serves a need or satisfies a want."
Only a moron (who disagrees with practically every successful business in the world) would think a product needs be available for it to be marketed.
If you used your brain a little, you'd realise that the sponsorship is entirely related. TVR is to be built in Ebbw Vale; Ebbw Vale rugby club is also in Ebbw Vale. Do you see how that works?
£10 says you haven't even placed a deposit, and you're just looking for something to whinge about.
Milky400 said:
Equus said:
It isn't a product until it is in production and being produced.
The hell with 'producing positive sentiment among the local community'. How about producing positive sentiment among the poor idiots who are propping them up financially by means of their ill-advised deposits, instead of squandering said ill-advised deposits on sponsorship of an entirely un-related sport?
Do you actually know anything about the consortium involved the the New TVR? Do you seriously think that the deposit people have put down are what is resurrecting TVR. 250 deposits is £1.25m, a piss in the ocean of the money they are investing.The hell with 'producing positive sentiment among the local community'. How about producing positive sentiment among the poor idiots who are propping them up financially by means of their ill-advised deposits, instead of squandering said ill-advised deposits on sponsorship of an entirely un-related sport?
I really don't understand why people have such a issue. Typical British attitude
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