Two die during Nürburgring Touristenfahrten

[VonSenger]

k-ink said:

RIP

Indeed.

In the 12 years I've been going it's gotten more and more busy so inevitable really. That's why I stick to early mornings and late sessions. During busy periods its like death race 2000.

[Iva Barchetta]

I was surprised how busy it was on the Friday evening session,perhaps

Because there was also a big event on the gp circuit this weekend.

Didnt last long due to the Audi fire within an hour.

Was the 1.75 hours session restarted ?

[AC43]

VonSenger said:

I imagine it was a bit like these lucky lads, it's a very very quick part of the circuit which once comfortable is taken almost flat out and is partially blind:

https://youtu.be/pdPk6mA_gZs

Jeez.....

[Bristol spark]

VonSenger said:

I imagine it was a bit like these lucky lads, it's a very very quick part of the circuit which once comfortable is taken almost flat out and is partially blind:

https://youtu.be/pdPk6mA_gZs

Some impressive over reaction to the yellow flag there!!

Equally impressive reactions from the blue scoob to avoid all the carnage!

[vz-r_dave]

Bristol spark said:

VonSenger said:

I imagine it was a bit like these lucky lads, it's a very very quick part of the circuit which once comfortable is taken almost flat out and is partially blind:

https://youtu.be/pdPk6mA_gZs

Some impressive over reaction to the yellow flag there!!

Equally impressive reactions from the blue scoob to avoid all the carnage!

Agreed, since when do you slow to 10 mph on the fastest part of the track because of a yellow.... assholes

[Motorrad]

V8mate said:

News still breaking, so no details yet...

Two occupants of a (private) car crashed off after colliding with another vehicle at the 'ring today.

Both occupants killed instantly, and two marshals seriously injured too. From what I can make out, the car which crashed off had also had another minor accident earlier in the day.

Awful but not a surprise.

I used to be a regular but stopped when they started heavily monetising the place following it's promotion by Top Gear and such.

Went back there last weekend for the VLN and the amount and sheer volume of utter idiots on the track on the Saturday evening/Sunday was unreal.

People with no idea how to overtake safely or drive to their limits treating it like their own private dueling ground. Watched some muppet in a UKreg 997 blocking faster traffic and swerving to stop bikes overtaking. Utter madness.

I don't know what the answer is but there seem to be a lot of utter fking tools driving the place these days.

[nickfrog]

The answer to the problems described above is track days there - if you do enough laps it's cheaper too and no third party liability.
The accident could have happened on a TD of course, but still, a different demographics compared to TF.

[DanielSan]

Bristol spark said:

VonSenger said:

I imagine it was a bit like these lucky lads, it's a very very quick part of the circuit which once comfortable is taken almost flat out and is partially blind:

https://youtu.be/pdPk6mA_gZs

Some impressive over reaction to the yellow flag there!!

Equally impressive reactions from the blue scoob to avoid all the carnage!

I had a feeling the link was that video. The blue STI and red Spec C both do well to avoid some of the over-reacting stuff in front, the guy in the bugeye should've bought a lottery ticket as soon as he finished his lap.

[hora]

I was looking through some vids and came across this. At 5.59+ did the driver get out ok/anyone know? That is alot of kinetics https://youtu.be/IVVsmlP8VJM

[Dark85]

hora said:

I was looking through some vids and came across this. At 5.59+ did the driver get out ok/anyone know? That is alot of kinetics https://youtu.be/IVVsmlP8VJM

I believe a fractured wrist and some cuts were the only injuries - lucky, lucky boy.

Also some fairly daft stuff at 1:30 and 2:50, I know the cars are damaged but surely you can move them off the racing line on the exit of a pretty blind corner?

RIP to those who've died.

[vz-r_dave]

Motorrad said:

V8mate said:

News still breaking, so no details yet...

Two occupants of a (private) car crashed off after colliding with another vehicle at the 'ring today.

Both occupants killed instantly, and two marshals seriously injured too. From what I can make out, the car which crashed off had also had another minor accident earlier in the day.

Awful but not a surprise.

I used to be a regular but stopped when they started heavily monetising the place following it's promotion by Top Gear and such.

Went back there last weekend for the VLN and the amount and sheer volume of utter idiots on the track on the Saturday evening/Sunday was unreal.

People with no idea how to overtake safely or drive to their limits treating it like their own private dueling ground. Watched some muppet in a UKreg 997 blocking faster traffic and swerving to stop bikes overtaking. Utter madness.

I don't know what the answer is but there seem to be a lot of utter fking tools driving the place these days.

I watch the EMS videos pretty much daily and there is enoigh evidence there alone. Its clear many do not study the track and then drive at 9 10ths as if they are indestructible. With so much footage now being gathered they need to start prosecuting these morons with dangerous driving. Also when people are clearly driving dangerously dangerously and people witness it the drivers need to be chased down and slapped in the car park, with some if the things I see I am surprised people aren't getting beaten imo.

[VonSenger]

Dark85 said:

hora said:

I was looking through some vids and came across this. At 5.59+ did the driver get out ok/anyone know? That is alot of kinetics https://youtu.be/IVVsmlP8VJM

I believe a fractured wrist and some cuts were the only injuries - lucky, lucky boy.

Also some fairly daft stuff at 1:30 and 2:50, I know the cars are damaged but surely you can move them off the racing line on the exit of a pretty blind corner?

RIP to those who've died.

I was behind the red car that filmed it. It was horrific. Lucky lad.

[fridaypassion]

I was there back end of this week and was sad to hear this news on the ferry last night. It was carnage the whole time bikers and drivers alike just going too fast. I did a semi damp lap Saturday morning and the speeds people around me were doing in the conditions were utterly ridiculous.

Nobody should end up dead just going for a fun weekend but we all know it's dangerous.

[VonSenger]

vz-r_dave said:

I watch the EMS videos pretty much daily and there is enoigh evidence there alone. Its clear many do not study the track and then drive at 9 10ths as if they are indestructible. With so much footage now being gathered they need to start prosecuting these morons with dangerous driving. Also when people are clearly driving dangerously dangerously and people witness it the drivers need to be chased down and slapped in the car park, with some if the things I see I am surprised people aren't getting beaten imo.

They do prosecute/investigate if there's an incident.

[vz-r_dave]

VonSenger said:

vz-r_dave said:

I watch the EMS videos pretty much daily and there is enoigh evidence there alone. Its clear many do not study the track and then drive at 9 10ths as if they are indestructible. With so much footage now being gathered they need to start prosecuting these morons with dangerous driving. Also when people are clearly driving dangerously dangerously and people witness it the drivers need to be chased down and slapped in the car park, with some if the things I see I am surprised people aren't getting beaten imo.

They do prosecute/investigate if there's an incident.

Incident yes but not bad driving where incidents do not occour. That is what I am talking about.

[tenfour]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

It is a notoriously dangerous stretch, we almost had the exact same accident a few years ago.

In a hot hatch I'm taking that corner at anywhere between 120-130mph but it is blind and unsighted, on the previous left handers and we came across an accident with a few cars parked up and a marshal running down the middle of the track with a yellow flag. we would have been 100+ mph by that point and turning left.

Quite how I missed him I don't know and by the time we had to avoid the accident I was slow enough to get off the brakes and get around the other cars.

Had a similar brown-trou moment back in 2008. Guy was parked up on the exit of Kesselchen and was casually disembarking from his car as I was fully committed and using all the available track. I had to lift to avoid taking him and his drivers door out.

I do empathise with the guy on BtoG.com: there is no excuse for not having a yellow LED pad or two along that 2km stretch. It's the third fastest part of the track, FFS.

[VonSenger]

vz-r_dave said:

Incident yes but not bad driving where incidents do not occour. That is what I am talking about.

Won't happen. You'll always have tools on track. I have seen then ban people for "noise" which usually means a Marshall has seen them driving like a dick. Invariably driving beyond limits or not responding to a yellow.

[Iva Barchetta]

Watched an EMS TV YouTube vid from Saturday, 2 different red Civics shown.

One of them could be the unfortunate person featured here.

I was looking for a Friday vid at the time.

[Mastodon2]

It's not surprising there are so many accidents, "stop in the distance you can see" seems to be completely ignored with all the race driver fantasies being played out, people thinking they're Vettel when they're not even Maldonado. A lot of the crashes and near misses look like drivers coming round a corner and being caught out by a hazard in the road ahead that they weren't expecting and have not left much in reserve to deal with, the hazard usually being caused by someone with more ambition than talent losing control and ending up running wide or spinning off.

[anonymous-user]

VonSenger said:

I imagine it was a bit like these lucky lads, it's a very very quick part of the circuit which once comfortable is taken almost flat out and is partially blind:

https://youtu.be/pdPk6mA_gZs

Some pretty daft driving there.