Two die during Nürburgring Touristenfahrten

[vz-r_dave]

http://m.bild.de/regional/aktuelles/zwei-tote-bei-...

picture of the red eg..... massive side impact by the looks of it.

French couple... it seems

[Iva Barchetta]

That's shown on the Saturday vid I mentioned ,at 8.15 minutes ,French ,black bonnet ,2 in car.

[V8mate]

Male and female occupants; both 29.

[Pebbles167]

It could happen anywhere, even a local UK circuit. Less likely perhaps, but the possibility isn't that remote. I've seen some huge crashes at Castle Combe, where the occupants would likely have been dead without a roll cage, and I've seen cars without cages crash and been amazed that they were OK.

I guess they were a couple. It's really sad

[CABC]

Pebbles167 said:

It could happen anywhere, even a local UK circuit. Less likely perhaps, but the possibility isn't that remote. I've seen some huge crashes at Castle Combe, where the occupants would likely have been dead without a roll cage, and I've seen cars without cages crash and been amazed that they were OK.

I guess they were a couple. It's really sad

not the same really. the ring sees road cars going a lot faster in sweeping bends. in many places there you can take a blind or near blind corner at over 100mph. same road car would be well sighted at Combe (as indeed most uk tracks) and be well under 90. Issue at Combe would have been proper racing whereas here people driving fast on a tf day didn't expect to see stationary trafiic. Even if yellows did exist, on a tf day many wouldn't be experienced in looking for them or responding to them.

[Artey]

VonSenger said:

I imagine it was a bit like these lucky lads, it's a very very quick part of the circuit which once comfortable is taken almost flat out and is partially blind:

https://youtu.be/pdPk6mA_gZs

Both were tailgating like idiots, I bet in their heads it wasn't their fault though.

[vz-r_dave]

The scariest thing is I posted up last week on opinions of taking my o/h with me in a couple of weeks..... I'll likely still go ahead but definately not if it's raining or wet!

[Sam All]

Every death is tragic - the 'Ring has suffered so many.

More traffic than ever before, faster cars, 'ring hugely attractive to more than ever before.

In the scheme of things, for mileage covered, do wonder if deaths are in line with everyday motoring. And these cars are being driven at full pelt , often against the clock and video'd.

Sad day

[krisdelta]

Very sad news. RIP

It is a fantastic circuit but rather terrifying when it's busy - especially with the speed differential between cars. It's like WEC but without professional drivers.

[paulwirral]

Artey said:

VonSenger said:

I imagine it was a bit like these lucky lads, it's a very very quick part of the circuit which once comfortable is taken almost flat out and is partially blind:

https://youtu.be/pdPk6mA_gZs

Both were tailgating like idiots, I bet in their heads it wasn't their fault though.

Both concentrating on each other as well no doubt , not on what may be around the corner on a public road , if the slow car was a biker on the floor for some reason both would in a whole world of st .
First time we ever went we never booked rooms but found them easily , drove up , parked in a half full car park , bought a ticket and off we went , time and time again .
Fast forward a dozen or so years and it's a traffic jam for 30 mins to access the track , I'm more interested in standing watching now , there's to many clowns with something to prove these days , lots of them turn up in the fastest thing they can buy and think they are instant racing drivers .
I've never had an incident but have come close at adenua with people coming down the inside and almost running into the side of me .
It's terrible that people died but it's only going to get worse , anyone who goes for tf will know what I mean .

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Actually, I think TF isn't as busy these days compared to perhaps 4 years ago. There was a period where it almost became pointless in going if it was open all weekend, I know it's still busy but it isn't like that anymore apart from perhaps car Friday at Easter.

If the track is open all weekend and it's sunny and busy I find if you don't lap between 11:30am and say 3:30-4pm on a Sunday you can still get some seriously good laps in. The nutters mostly lap in that 4 hour Sunday window in my experience, so head over to brunchen, grab a poke of chips an a hotdog and enjoy some Herbert trashing his car for a few YouTube clicks

[paulwirral]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Actually, I think TF isn't as busy these days compared to perhaps 4 years ago. There was a period where it almost became pointless in going if it was open all weekend, I know it's still busy but it isn't like that anymore apart from perhaps car Friday at Easter.

If the track is open all weekend and it's sunny and busy I find if you don't lap between 11:30am and say 3:30-4pm on a Sunday you can still get some seriously good laps in. The nutters mostly lap in that 4 hour Sunday window in my experience, so head over to brunchen, grab a poke of chips an a hotdog and enjoy some Herbert trashing his car for a few YouTube clicks

You have a good point , Sunday afternoon after 5pm is really quiet usually , I've enjoyed the laps I've had at that time , I'm just always mindful that I'm moving on early the next day . The time you speak of was ridiculous , we started driving along the road to Mayen for lunch and a walk around .
I'm there for the old timers weekend in a couple of weeks time , I'm hoping as its not open until 1pm sat and sun it may be a little quieter but I'll not hold my breath .

[fridaypassion]

I would agree the ring is nowhere near as busy as it used to be. There seem to be more accidents for less traffic. When you do actually get out you can get some quiet laps in by avoiding the times previously mentioned.

[RDMcG]

I crashed there years ago but have been fine since. It needs to be respected and now I for 3/4 days every once in a while and only do the sessions during the week when it is less crowded. Of course there are some idiots now and then but I do see lots of competent highly aware drivers. It does demand a lot of care in the rain because runoff areas are so very short. Very sad story here for all involved.

[IanH755]

Wow, just seen this pop up in my FB feed and then seen the pic of the civic, RIP!

Hope the Marshalls pull through too.