RE: Ferrari 488 GTB: Review
Discussion
Sam All said:
Bencolem said:
£864 for black painted brake calipers?
Sounds expensive, but good they offer the option - Porsche do not, and disapprove if you get this done after market.But yeah, that carbon fibre stuff I could well do without, especially if it displaces some bit trimmed in leather in the case of the interior!
PHMatt said:
Is it me or have Ferrari gone a little off piste?
This looks like it would spank an Enzo and yet seems to be in the same lineage as a considerably more mundane 355/360 if a little more expensive?
The Enzo is 12 years old though, you can't really compare the two in terms of performance and technology. This looks like it would spank an Enzo and yet seems to be in the same lineage as a considerably more mundane 355/360 if a little more expensive?
sheikh amari said:
We received the very first 488 GTB LHD last June 2015 and since then have sold 11 488GTB's , got to say it's really is one of the best driving cars we have had with stunning the looks , the only one thing is the door handles that look like they had been just stuck on !! Also the 488's are still making over list !
Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing. In that spirit here's some geekery about the 'stuck on' doorhandles - they shaped like that deliberately and double up as vanes to direct air into the intercoolers. Hope that offsets the aesthetic annoyance!Cheers,
Dan
It's all gone a little silly. Let's be honest - a P1 isn't getting away from this thing down a road! And rather than think "that's amazing" I think "how irrelevant".
If this has to have little man syndrome power levels then at least make a new 350bhp model with a proper engine. Christ, Alfa even put in the ground work.
If this has to have little man syndrome power levels then at least make a new 350bhp model with a proper engine. Christ, Alfa even put in the ground work.
PunterCam said:
It's all gone a little silly. Let's be honest - a P1 isn't getting away from this thing down a road! And rather than think "that's amazing" I think "how irrelevant".
If this has to have little man syndrome power levels then at least make a new 350bhp model with a proper engine. Christ, Alfa even put in the ground work.
What a bizarre post. Why would Ferrari bother making a car like that? It's the opposite end of the market. Ferrari are in the supercar business.If this has to have little man syndrome power levels then at least make a new 350bhp model with a proper engine. Christ, Alfa even put in the ground work.
The 458 has 562bhp and I don't think anyone has ever said it's got too much power. With respect I can only assume you've not driven one because it is lithe and perfectly manageable. The power doesn't overwhelm it, it perfectly suits it.
Also I suspect the P1 would show this car a clean pair of heels, as one would expect. It's a completely different car though, it doesn't directly compete. P1 peers are the 918 and LaF.
PHMatt said:
Is it me or have Ferrari gone a little off piste?
This looks like it would spank an Enzo and yet seems to be in the same lineage as a considerably more mundane 355/360 if a little more expensive?
Do Ferrari no longer make a junior supercar? This is more hypercar imo. Fair play for offering at at £185k though, compared to the £600k you'd pay for an Enzo
I thought the California and Cali T had taken the junior 150 grand spot. I thought the 458 was a deliberate attempt by Ferrari to move the V8 mid engined cars to a whole new performance envelope and with it a whole new price level. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the 458 was a whole new paradigm when compared to the 430 in both performance but also interior quality and this was reflected in the priceThis looks like it would spank an Enzo and yet seems to be in the same lineage as a considerably more mundane 355/360 if a little more expensive?
Do Ferrari no longer make a junior supercar? This is more hypercar imo. Fair play for offering at at £185k though, compared to the £600k you'd pay for an Enzo
F430 had iirc 490bhp so isn't exactly a slouch.
You are correct though in my opinion, the 458 was a paradigm shift from the F430 - it feels like it moved the game on several steps. That's not a slight on the F430 which is an awesome car, but it imo suffers from being from a time when Ferrari seemed to have an attitude of "you pay for the engine, the rest is free" (i.e. some reliability quirks that Ferrari won't fully acknowledge, dealers only unofficially acknowledge, and owners seem to just have to live with).
The interior and particularly the switchgear is considerably more modern too.
You are correct though in my opinion, the 458 was a paradigm shift from the F430 - it feels like it moved the game on several steps. That's not a slight on the F430 which is an awesome car, but it imo suffers from being from a time when Ferrari seemed to have an attitude of "you pay for the engine, the rest is free" (i.e. some reliability quirks that Ferrari won't fully acknowledge, dealers only unofficially acknowledge, and owners seem to just have to live with).
The interior and particularly the switchgear is considerably more modern too.
Dan Trent said:
You make an entirely fair and valid point! I guess mine in riposte would be I probably wouldn't have gone up there in that kind of weather in a TVR (maybe I'm a big wuss!) whereas the Ferrari gave me sufficient (over)confidence to not give it a second thought.
And I know the one... No I wasn't!
Dan
Lol, you are totally right I'd not be brave enough either. And I know the one... No I wasn't!
Dan
It is fantastic though that a modern car has that ability to give you the oh sh..... Moments.
.Effjay said:
PHMatt said:
Nothing at Ferrari is mass produced.
I'll rephrase; produce in relative bulk compared to a one off commission. Genuine question, genuinely don't have much of an idea on carbon production costs, but I can't imagine it's that high for a a couple of trim pieces (as opposed to something structural for example).Durzel said:
£54k in options is never going to be representative of any customer car. It's rather cheeky of Ferrari but it's not like they don't all do it.
It's pretty well known that unless you spec a 458/488 with at least say 20k worth of options, then Ferrari simply won't build the car.kambites said:
I had no idea these things were so heavy. If it's 1370kg wet with all the carbon the standard car has got to be about 1600kg EU?
230 kilos saved by some carbon fripperies ? surely the aim with that lot is more cosmetic than any huge weight saving ?Says 1544 on Wikipedia, so maybe the carbon stuff does make a difference but didnt think it would be anything more than a handful of kilos ?
0-124 in 8.3 seconds so a few extra kilos isnt holding it back.
Funny how a 360 looks positively lame in comparison nowadays, uyet is still a pretty fast car, where are they going with it, its mental.
Speed_Demon said:
Olivera said:
It's pretty well known that unless you spec a 458/488 with at least say 20k worth of options, then Ferrari simply won't build the car.
Unbelievable.
Titanium Exhaust seems good value, I would probably still go for the scud shields too if they remain hand-painted.
Harry M's review of the 488 GTB in Italy was (As always from him) a great watch. I think some of the posts earlier were fair in the sense that the car is now too powerful to be considered a baby ferrari and it was a bit sad (exciting at the same time) to see that Harry was basically short-shifting the car most of the time.
Still, it looks like its still the benchmark coupe and I would have a metallic grey one in a heartbeat.
Time for the dino perhaps ?
Edited by Carl_Manchester on Sunday 24th July 22:37
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