Car stolen without key

[Carrot]

That video is horrifying!

Are car manufactures doing anything about it? All my cars predate this tech and are not that desireable so not worried now, but when I upgrade I do not expect to be paying extra for a 3rd party to fix all this for me!

[All that jazz]

WFL said:

All that jazz said:

Where was it taken from exactly and what model was it? Interested as I'm in Leeds myself and have a 13 ST estate but it never gets left anywhere without the Disklok fitted.

Cheers for your responses everyone. Disappeared from Woodhouse area of Leeds.

Woodhouse is a pretty crappy inner city area. What model was it?

[Dave Hedgehog]

edo said:

shockingly easy.

indeed, there is a video of a keyless RS4 being stolen equally easily

[caymanbill]

Sorry for your loss OP.

This whole thing seems like a mess. i dont understand why any old tom dick and harry is allowed to program a new key? I know there's some kind of EU regulation which stipulates indy garages need access to OBD data but why not have a registration scheme?

I.E registered indy uses the OBD to generate a unique code which is then sent to the manufacturer (possible via a web service) who in tern send an "unlock" code back to enable the new key? Surely this would fix this stuid issue? Or am I missing something?

[jakesmith]

caymanbill said:

Sorry for your loss OP.

This whole thing seems like a mess. i dont understand why any old tom dick and harry is allowed to program a new key? I know there's some kind of EU regulation which stipulates indy garages need access to OBD data but why not have a registration scheme?

I.E registered indy uses the OBD to generate a unique code which is then sent to the manufacturer (possible via a web service) who in tern send an "unlock" code back to enable the new key? Surely this would fix this stuid issue? Or am I missing something?

Because any unscrupulous garage could register as an indi garage and get access to the codes, plus it would add a load of time onto the job for the 99% of times when it was genuine, plus it would involve every manufacturer setting up a scheme or agreeing a standard, and indi garages would have to register for schemed from all the manufacturers etc. Don't get me wrong this is a huge issue and needs addressing but it's probably too much effort for the industry in that form. I think that an easier way to do it would be to make it so that you have to have the car and one genuine key to make a copy. If you lose both keys, only a main dealer can make a new key. Think that would fix it and could be managed without having to set up support networks and new services

[CaptainCosworth]

Sorry to hear about your loss OP, hope it's either recovered soon or your insurance isn't too much hassle.

It's got me thinking about relocating the OBD port on mine, but I also wonder how much genuine demand there is for replacement keys? In 15+ years of driving neither me or Mrs CC have lost car keys. If the demand is relatively low could the manufacturers make it a lot harder to replace? As in not possible to do using the OBD port, instead having to go directly to the manufacturer?

(Fully expect this idea to be shot down by those more knowledgeable than me... )

[caymanbill]

jakesmith said:

Because any unscrupulous garage could register as an indi garage and get access to the codes,

Not necessarily. Say for example the garage would only receive a new key code once they generate a valid "request" code (which is unque to the car/OBD). So to get this they need to have physical access to the car. Hence if a request is made that turns out to be dodgy you automatically have a paper trail and something to go on. you know who sent the request, you know where it came from and you know what time etc.

jakesmith said:

plus it would add a load of time onto the job for the 99% of times when it was genuine,

This all could be done in seconds and fully automated.

jakesmith said:

plus it would involve every manufacturer setting up a scheme or agreeing a standard,

These auto firms earn billions of pounds and employ lots of smart people, i'm sure it's not beyond their collective expertise, if they have the willing (emphasis on the word "willing" here). For example lots enterprise IT companies already use challenge/ response or two factor auth licensing for systems.