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Adz The Rat said:
I used to be into this sort of thing but have lost interest now, though I don't mind that one, looks pretty good.
Air suspension doesn't ruin the handling like people think, though the wheels / tyre combo wont help.
A friend in the US has an air setup on his 964 and when running proper wheels he says it handles better than the H&R setup he had on before.
How dare you come on PH and post some common sense - Everyone on PH "knows" that it can't be at all possible to have a car that handles well on air ride, even though they've never driven a car with it, or ever will... Air suspension doesn't ruin the handling like people think, though the wheels / tyre combo wont help.
A friend in the US has an air setup on his 964 and when running proper wheels he says it handles better than the H&R setup he had on before.
Bennet said:
You (as in "you" in general) are free to spend your money however you see fit, and the rest of the world is free to find your decision intelligent or worthy of ridicule. You are free to demand not to be interfered with or discriminated against, but you are not free to demand approval of the rest of society who doesn't understand what you're playing at.
I don't think the Scirocco owner is necessarily asking for you approval.I understand many people who build their cars do - but not all - some just do it for the love of the cars, as a hobby or what not and show it, without caring for whether it's approved or not.
People seem very happy to throw their negative opinions out there without actually thinking
- is my opinion valid
- does the person receiving my opinion want it, have they asked for it?
- do they care what i think?
It's easy to hate on people.
I think the car in the op looks great, I have a good friend who's into the whole stance scene and drives a very smart looking MKI TT.
For me personally though, I find a lot of these cars are only define by their ride height and otherwise aren't that interesting (to me that is) so they don't really do much for me overall.
Once you've seen one very low car you've seen them all in my opinion. It's like any of the modified cars, 10-15 years ago it was all about fitting the biggest wheels you could on a hatch back. Once some donut had stuck 20" wheels on a Saxo everyone moved on, now it's about whether the subframes can touch the floor and with air ride they can so the next step for the modified scene will be something different.
For me personally though, I find a lot of these cars are only define by their ride height and otherwise aren't that interesting (to me that is) so they don't really do much for me overall.
Once you've seen one very low car you've seen them all in my opinion. It's like any of the modified cars, 10-15 years ago it was all about fitting the biggest wheels you could on a hatch back. Once some donut had stuck 20" wheels on a Saxo everyone moved on, now it's about whether the subframes can touch the floor and with air ride they can so the next step for the modified scene will be something different.
It's a well judged subtle attempt to get noticed, a tricky balance....and essentially a concept sketch made real.
However for me it's about an inch or so too low. I'd like to see the rest of the tyre at the top.
As a thing to look at, bravo IMO.
As a thing to drive? I have no idea, probably compromised. I wonder if they drive beyond the legal limits on public roads or track it...
However for me it's about an inch or so too low. I'd like to see the rest of the tyre at the top.
As a thing to look at, bravo IMO.
As a thing to drive? I have no idea, probably compromised. I wonder if they drive beyond the legal limits on public roads or track it...
I think it looks good too! But i am biased, as i tend to go for a similiar style.
For me it's about restoring the car back to the designer's original vision. The concept drawings wouldn't involve worrying about speed humps, the risk of stone chips or a suitable place to put a numberplate to suit various different markets.
It annoys me when people say cars like this look 'ridiculous' when race cars also have no wheel arch gap and heavy amounts of camber; it's that uncompromised purpose that makes them look so good.
I've started the journey with my RS6 now. I personally think it looks great, but appreciate everyone has their views. Mine is on coilovers (not airbags), but frankly handling is not my priority as it's a two tonne Audi - i never expected it to be a tactile delight to drive. I just have my vision of what it should be like aesthetically and i have a restless 'need' to do it - it eats away at me!
And if you're wonder, i've been pulled over twice now for the lack of numberplate, so will now relent and re-fit it; much to my dismay.
For me it's about restoring the car back to the designer's original vision. The concept drawings wouldn't involve worrying about speed humps, the risk of stone chips or a suitable place to put a numberplate to suit various different markets.
It annoys me when people say cars like this look 'ridiculous' when race cars also have no wheel arch gap and heavy amounts of camber; it's that uncompromised purpose that makes them look so good.
I've started the journey with my RS6 now. I personally think it looks great, but appreciate everyone has their views. Mine is on coilovers (not airbags), but frankly handling is not my priority as it's a two tonne Audi - i never expected it to be a tactile delight to drive. I just have my vision of what it should be like aesthetically and i have a restless 'need' to do it - it eats away at me!
And if you're wonder, i've been pulled over twice now for the lack of numberplate, so will now relent and re-fit it; much to my dismay.
Alex_225 said:
It's like any of the modified cars, 10-15 years ago it was all about fitting the biggest wheels you could on a hatch back. Once some donut had stuck 20" wheels on a Saxo everyone moved on, now it's about whether the subframes can touch the floor and with air ride they can so the next step for the modified scene will be something different.
You mean the stupid snake skin one? The guy was ridiculed at the time even by saxo owners.http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=...
xjay1337 said:
Bennet said:
You (as in "you" in general) are free to spend your money however you see fit, and the rest of the world is free to find your decision intelligent or worthy of ridicule. You are free to demand not to be interfered with or discriminated against, but you are not free to demand approval of the rest of society who doesn't understand what you're playing at.
I don't think the Scirocco owner is necessarily asking for you approval.I understand many people who build their cars do - but not all - some just do it for the love of the cars, as a hobby or what not and show it, without caring for whether it's approved or not.
People seem very happy to throw their negative opinions out there without actually thinking
- is my opinion valid
- does the person receiving my opinion want it, have they asked for it?
- do they care what i think?
It's easy to hate on people.
I'll leave you with these thoughts, if you're interested:
"Stop judging me!" and "I don't care about your approval!" are two notions that do not really go hand in hand.
When a celebrity shows up to a royal wedding in a silly hat, they can expect some funny looks and derision in the media etc.
When a celebrity walks to the shops in no makeup and a pair of joggers, they should be bloody well left alone, not mocked.
In my opinion, modifying your car has more in common with the former than the latter.
Bennet said:
As much as the term "hate on" grates my nerves, I do understand what you are getting at. Let people get on with their own lives without being a dick about their decisions. Concept understood.
I'll leave you with these thoughts, if you're interested:
"Stop judging me!" and "I don't care about your approval!" are two notions that do not really go hand in hand.
When a celebrity shows up to a royal wedding in a silly hat, they can expect some funny looks and derision in the media etc.
When a celebrity walks to the shops in no makeup and a pair of joggers, they should be bloody well left alone, not mocked.
In my opinion, modifying your car has more in common with the former than the latter.
Couldn't agree less.I'll leave you with these thoughts, if you're interested:
"Stop judging me!" and "I don't care about your approval!" are two notions that do not really go hand in hand.
When a celebrity shows up to a royal wedding in a silly hat, they can expect some funny looks and derision in the media etc.
When a celebrity walks to the shops in no makeup and a pair of joggers, they should be bloody well left alone, not mocked.
In my opinion, modifying your car has more in common with the former than the latter.
Every single thing I've done to my cars has been a personal choice to make the car look and perform to my liking. If I was or am seeking attention I'd be canvassing opinion.
When a celebrity shows up to a royal wedding in a silly hat, they can expect (but have not sought or asked for) some funny looks and derision in the media etc....
When a celebrity walks to the shops in no makeup and a pair of joggers, they should be bloody well left alone, not mocked.
Not a fan of the alloys at all. Look terrible, but as people mentioned it's down to the owner and obviously they like it.
As for the air suspension, I think it just looks down right terrible, combined with the alloys it has ruined what would of been a nice car. The rest of the car looks ok, not to my taste but I can appreciate it. But as mentioned alloys are hideous and combined with the air suspension it needs torching.
A moderate drop would of been more appropriate. Not sure what the obsession with having it in a undrivable stance is all about?
Makes me think of a body builder who's taken it to the extreme and can no longer wipe their own ass..
As for the air suspension, I think it just looks down right terrible, combined with the alloys it has ruined what would of been a nice car. The rest of the car looks ok, not to my taste but I can appreciate it. But as mentioned alloys are hideous and combined with the air suspension it needs torching.
A moderate drop would of been more appropriate. Not sure what the obsession with having it in a undrivable stance is all about?
Makes me think of a body builder who's taken it to the extreme and can no longer wipe their own ass..
Black_S3 said:
You mean the stupid snake skin one? The guy was ridiculed at the time even by saxo owners.
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=...
Yeah that was one of them, I recall another one that had monster wheels fitted around 2004/2005.http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=...
I met the chap with the snake skin one, he was a nice enough guy but the car was certainly unique. Had been wrapped in vinyl but not vinyl as it is now but material you'd use for seats etc. Couldn't be driven in the rain and could only be cleaned with white spirit. Also it was a 1.4 so even he admitted it was hard to drive.
The car was effectively disabled! That said, a lot of cars with a static drop are similar in that they are impossible to use daily. I had a VW Lupo that looked very cool but was dropped about 60mm. I used it daily for about 18 months or so until I vowed never to drive a car that low again as it just got annoying.
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
It's kept clean and polished, which I like. However the wheels are horrific, although there are very few 'scene' wheels which I like to be fair.
The airbag suspension seems a lot of money and hassle to go to, just so you can travel to Nandos and upload pictures of your tea to Instagram while wearing one of those baseball caps with huge flat brims and talk about sleeve tattoos with some other clones, sorry, friends.
Cheers,
Grant
xjay1337 said:
Have any of you actually driven a car with air ride?
I owned a Mk5 GTI before I got my Scirocco. - http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=141...
It had air ride - it handled really well. Better than stock absolutely. Not as good as a set of high end coilovers (eg KW V3) but better than AP type coiloveres for sure.
This thread (not necessarily the quoted posts) highlights the two extremes of car enthusiast and I don't mean that in a nice way. Some of the scornful, judgemental and nasty things said do not really show me that we are respectful of other peoples opinions.
I got out of the air ride / expensive wheels (my suspension was 3750, my wheels owed me about £2000 by the time they were built up, plus thousands in other little bit) and replaced the Mk5 GTI with a diesel Scirocco, which is my track project.
I much prefer the motorsport type modifications but I can still appreciate air ride and "show" type mods. Yes, there is a lot of "samey samey" but that's because there are only so many OEM + type modifications you can do. There's no point doing something different if it looks absolutely horrible (eg big bodykits etc).
Times change, hence why we have moved from the huge fibreglass bodykits of the 80s and 90's back to a more OEM Plus style modifications. Each to their own, people should not be judged / mocked for their decisions of how to spend THEIR money.
Not disagreeing with anything you've said. However, you said you bought an diesel Scirocco as a track project. Politely and respectfully, can i ask why? Why didn't you get a petrol?I owned a Mk5 GTI before I got my Scirocco. - http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=141...
It had air ride - it handled really well. Better than stock absolutely. Not as good as a set of high end coilovers (eg KW V3) but better than AP type coiloveres for sure.
This thread (not necessarily the quoted posts) highlights the two extremes of car enthusiast and I don't mean that in a nice way. Some of the scornful, judgemental and nasty things said do not really show me that we are respectful of other peoples opinions.
I got out of the air ride / expensive wheels (my suspension was 3750, my wheels owed me about £2000 by the time they were built up, plus thousands in other little bit) and replaced the Mk5 GTI with a diesel Scirocco, which is my track project.
I much prefer the motorsport type modifications but I can still appreciate air ride and "show" type mods. Yes, there is a lot of "samey samey" but that's because there are only so many OEM + type modifications you can do. There's no point doing something different if it looks absolutely horrible (eg big bodykits etc).
Times change, hence why we have moved from the huge fibreglass bodykits of the 80s and 90's back to a more OEM Plus style modifications. Each to their own, people should not be judged / mocked for their decisions of how to spend THEIR money.
As i go to VW shows it is very scene I have to say, and regardless if this example is done by a younger driver living at home still there are truths in some cases of these type of cars but who knows in this case.
As stated in a previous post it sits too low for me, a drop of 40mm or so on coil overs would suffice and the wheels are marmite and i'm in the not liking it camp.
Now the above rocco is done right imo, decent ride height and good tasteful alloys how modding should be done
As stated in a previous post it sits too low for me, a drop of 40mm or so on coil overs would suffice and the wheels are marmite and i'm in the not liking it camp.
Now the above rocco is done right imo, decent ride height and good tasteful alloys how modding should be done
culpz said:
Not disagreeing with anything you've said. However, you said you bought an diesel Scirocco as a track project. Politely and respectfully, can i ask why? Why didn't you get a petrol?
Everyone knows that diesel is better because you don't have to change gear; you can just leave it in 6th and use the torque to get you around a track just as fast. At least that always seem to come close to the top of the list of diesel advantages on PH threads.culpz said:
Not disagreeing with anything you've said. However, you said you bought an diesel Scirocco as a track project. Politely and respectfully, can i ask why? Why didn't you get a petrol?
I really like the car as an overall package. I was bored of my air ride Mk5 GTI...wanted something that wasn't constantly breaking (tbh the suspension was the one part that never let me down!) it was just a bad car..The Scirocco started off as another project but I very quickly decided I wanted to make it track capable so now it has Recaro Pole Positions, harnesses, aston brakes, big turbo and fuel pump kit etc. The other part is not many people have tuned the 2.0 TDI Common Rail VW engines and with my tuners help we are at the forefront of this technology. It's exciting doing things no-one else has done before.
with my new job I have a motorcycle so cuts down on car mileage but I can't see myself selling the car until it dies and costs more than I'd get for the parts to repair... E9X M3 is next :-)
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