Cool or fool? (Warning - 'DUB scene' content)....
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Bennet said:
As much as the term "hate on" grates my nerves, I do understand what you are getting at. Let people get on with their own lives without being a dick about their decisions. Concept understood.
I'll leave you with these thoughts, if you're interested:
"Stop judging me!" and "I don't care about your approval!" are two notions that do not really go hand in hand.
When a celebrity shows up to a royal wedding in a silly hat, they can expect some funny looks and derision in the media etc.
When a celebrity walks to the shops in no makeup and a pair of joggers, they should be bloody well left alone, not mocked.
In my opinion, modifying your car has more in common with the former than the latter.
That's fair enough, but here we are talking about people who are going to wedding in silly hats, to look at the other silly hats that their friends are wearing. Other people also pay to come and see the silly hats.I'll leave you with these thoughts, if you're interested:
"Stop judging me!" and "I don't care about your approval!" are two notions that do not really go hand in hand.
When a celebrity shows up to a royal wedding in a silly hat, they can expect some funny looks and derision in the media etc.
When a celebrity walks to the shops in no makeup and a pair of joggers, they should be bloody well left alone, not mocked.
In my opinion, modifying your car has more in common with the former than the latter.
Most people who are true enthusiasts are lovely people.
There are some, more so in the last 2 years** or so, who have seemed to catch a bandwagon as cars are seen as the "in thing" but this is not only in the VW scene but every modification scene, even non modified cars (leased Mercs when you're 20...etc).
The problem is the culture of hating on what you yourself (not you specifically) do not understand.
Even the thread title "warning dub scene content"... maybe being slightly ironic but you know what I mean..
Edited by xjay1337 on Wednesday 27th July 13:27
Edited by xjay1337 on Wednesday 27th July 19:48
Mr2Mike said:
Everyone knows that diesel is better because you don't have to change gear; you can just leave it in 6th and use the torque to get you around a track just as fast. At least that always seem to come close to the top of the list of diesel advantages on PH threads.
I bet that's really fun around a track 
- edit* Sorry completely failed to spot the sarcasm haha
xjay1337 said:
I really like the car as an overall package. I was bored of my air ride Mk5 GTI...wanted something that wasn't constantly breaking (tbh the suspension was the one part that never let me down!) it was just a bad car..
The Scirocco started off as another project but I very quickly decided I wanted to make it track capable so now it has Recaro Pole Positions, harnesses, aston brakes, big turbo and fuel pump kit etc. The other part is not many people have tuned the 2.0 TDI Common Rail VW engines and with my tuners help we are at the forefront of this technology. It's exciting doing things no-one else has done before.
with my new job I have a motorcycle so cuts down on car mileage but I can't see myself selling the car until it dies and costs more than I'd get for the parts to repair... E9X M3 is next :-)
Fair play but for tuning and track use i wouldn't even consider a diesel in any car, regardless of it's potential or any advantages it carries. The 2.0 TSI would be my pick in general if i were to have another overall. I really miss my Scirocco The Scirocco started off as another project but I very quickly decided I wanted to make it track capable so now it has Recaro Pole Positions, harnesses, aston brakes, big turbo and fuel pump kit etc. The other part is not many people have tuned the 2.0 TDI Common Rail VW engines and with my tuners help we are at the forefront of this technology. It's exciting doing things no-one else has done before.
with my new job I have a motorcycle so cuts down on car mileage but I can't see myself selling the car until it dies and costs more than I'd get for the parts to repair... E9X M3 is next :-)
xjay1337 said:
The other part is not many people have tuned the 2.0 TDI Common Rail VW engines and with my tuners help we are at the forefront of this technology. It's exciting doing things no-one else has done before.
Surprised you don't just find it a expensive headache always being the first test mule! Black_S3 said:
Surprised you don't just find it a expensive headache always being the first test mule!
It is.Engine tuning spend is circa ~£7k.
I've been without my car in total for about 6 weeks over the last 18 months. Next we are doing ported cylinder head..but sourcing the specific type of cylinder head I need is not fun.. nor cheap.. looking at £1000 for a bare cylinder head.
As we are changing head design I also need a new tubular manifold.. another £850.
My tuner is fantastic and most of the issues were software based which he has sorted. He is just as keen as I am which is great, and fairly local as well.
culpz said:
Fair play but for tuning and track use i wouldn't even consider a diesel in any car, regardless of it's potential or any advantages it carries. The 2.0 TSI would be my pick in general if i were to have another overall. I really miss my Scirocco
Each to their own bro. It is effective, enough power to be quick enough but with the handling and brakes to out corner anything this site of a stripped out Mk2! I am just someone who prefers the feel of a diesel. As an overall package I can't complain at all!Buy another :-) Although the all new model should be coming out soon...
xjay1337 said:
Each to their own bro. It is effective, enough power to be quick enough but with the handling and brakes to out corner anything this site of a stripped out Mk2! I am just someone who prefers the feel of a diesel. As an overall package I can't complain at all!
Buy another :-) Although the all new model should be coming out soon...
I can understand. Diesels are dark horses unfortunately and because of the torque they can initially appear much faster than they seem which can be embarrassing to say the least!Buy another :-) Although the all new model should be coming out soon...
I deffo will. Would have to be a 2.0 TSI or even an R in Viper Green. That colour is just gorgeous. I am quite intrigued to see what the brand new model will look like. I really hope they don't ruin it!
xjay1337 said:
The problem is the culture of hating on what you yourself (not you specifically) do not understand.
Even the thread title "warning dub scene content"... maybe being slightly ironic but you know what I mean..
I'd like to think I understand why people want to modify their cars; playing with cars can be fun and you can make your car look, handle and perform better.Even the thread title "warning dub scene content"... maybe being slightly ironic but you know what I mean..
Looks are entirely subjective, but the majority of the dub scene mods will have a negative impact on performance and handling (massive wheels, stretched tyres, negative camber, slammed etc.). That suggests most of these owners must be aiming for looks, they want their car to stand out which is entirely reasonable.
The bit I don't understand, is why everyone in a scene does the exact same thing? If you want to make your car stand out, why perform the exact same set of mods that thousands of other owners have done? Obviously you have gone the extra mile and spent a lot of time and effort on tuning, but this is an exception rather than the rule IME.
culpz said:
I can understand. Diesels are dark horses unfortunately and because of the torque they can initially appear much faster than they seem which can be embarrassing to say the least!
I deffo will. Would have to be a 2.0 TSI or even an R in Viper Green. That colour is just gorgeous. I am quite intrigued to see what the brand new model will look like. I really hope they don't ruin it!
Mine will see off most things.. I've level pegged with RS4s up to about 120 (coked up ones only make about 350bhp.. I'll take that I deffo will. Would have to be a 2.0 TSI or even an R in Viper Green. That colour is just gorgeous. I am quite intrigued to see what the brand new model will look like. I really hope they don't ruin it!
) , E46 M3s, Stage 2 Mk5 GTI / Mk6 TSI Golfs/Scirocco etc.It would have been better power per £ on a petrol but as I've briefly explained I wanted to do something interesting. Plus I abuse it and it's done 170k and burns no oil, water, and idles quietly (although solid engine mounts do put a bit of vibration into the cabin).
This is an acceleration video from a really old tune (my original tune which had only 237bhp).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmQgQnl1T4M
I've gone to another tuner and about 45 ECU tune revisions as well as an upgraded fuel pump (30% more fuel). Running 2.6bar boost now as well, instead of the 2.4 in this video
I want to do an equivalent video on the same piece of road on my new tune but the above was filmed last Feb in the middle of winter where as now after 2 gears I hit Inlet air temp and EGT limits and it starts backing things off.
I make peak power about 3200 and it holds that till 5k so I have a huge under the graph area. Most big turbo diesels will have similar graphs so not really out of puff like a stock one..lots of diesels come with smallish turbos to give good low end spool and torque!
Edited by xjay1337 on Wednesday 27th July 19:43
Mr2Mike said:
I'd like to think I understand why people want to modify their cars; playing with cars can be fun and you can make your car look, handle and perform better.
Looks are entirely subjective, but the majority of the dub scene mods will have a negative impact on performance and handling (massive wheels, stretched tyres, negative camber, slammed etc.). That suggests most of these owners must be aiming for looks, they want their car to stand out which is entirely reasonable.
The bit I don't understand, is why everyone in a scene does the exact same thing? If you want to make your car stand out, why perform the exact same set of mods that thousands of other owners have done? Obviously you have gone the extra mile and spent a lot of time and effort on tuning, but this is an exception rather than the rule IME.
You can modify your car for looks, want to show it etc but not build it for other people to look at if that makes sense? :-)Looks are entirely subjective, but the majority of the dub scene mods will have a negative impact on performance and handling (massive wheels, stretched tyres, negative camber, slammed etc.). That suggests most of these owners must be aiming for looks, they want their car to stand out which is entirely reasonable.
The bit I don't understand, is why everyone in a scene does the exact same thing? If you want to make your car stand out, why perform the exact same set of mods that thousands of other owners have done? Obviously you have gone the extra mile and spent a lot of time and effort on tuning, but this is an exception rather than the rule IME.
Regarding your last paragraph, totally true, and I don't know - My friends and I had a giggle at the 25th Anniversary Owners Club (mk4) where they ALL had shadow chrome powdercoated OEM wheels.
I think it's because that's what's out there, and genuinely most of the OEM type modifications look good. Those which are not seen before but have been done are quickly copied by the crowds.
I like to think the scene has leaders and followers. Leaders take the brave choices, try the "new thing", do something a little different, the followers will take inspiration and maybe put their own twist on it, a different colour or something.
A few really rare one off pieces do get done sometimes but often they are showcased on one guys car before being used to mass produce and sell to loads of others.
Not that I'm an expert in it, I've just lived that scene for the last 6 years of my life lol
I used to have a Polo G40 back in the day, and all the VW forums were about conforming to the same style. Pretty much everything was about going impractically low, and whatever wheels the clique decided were the best to have. It was all full of in jokes and group buys for some pointless must have tat.
And after all this lowering and adding heavier wheels, they'd go nuts trying to find an inlet manifold from some rare edition that gaves 5bhp more or something.
I was always into trying to hunt down more performance, but for most members, it was about having a sticker of the latest dub meme, or all conforming on removing all these bits, smoothing and who was mad enough to run the lowest.
And of course, everything that wasn't a VW was s
t.
A relatively high regarded member I was a friend with ended up getting an MX-5 for a while and it became so hostile in there, despite it being a better sports car than anything VW had ever made up until then, with the right wheels being powered.
This would have been early to mid 2000's.
Because for me it was always about performance, I sacked the whole cliquey scene off and got an actual sports car instead of a shopping trolley that had a weirdy cult status.
I can understand the 'DUB scene' hate, I was a part of it for a while, and it seems they're still all hung up on all conforming to the same look, and having the wheels you're supposed to have. Glad I got out before the performance destroying camber became a must have thing for everyone.
And after all this lowering and adding heavier wheels, they'd go nuts trying to find an inlet manifold from some rare edition that gaves 5bhp more or something.
I was always into trying to hunt down more performance, but for most members, it was about having a sticker of the latest dub meme, or all conforming on removing all these bits, smoothing and who was mad enough to run the lowest.
And of course, everything that wasn't a VW was s
t.A relatively high regarded member I was a friend with ended up getting an MX-5 for a while and it became so hostile in there, despite it being a better sports car than anything VW had ever made up until then, with the right wheels being powered.
This would have been early to mid 2000's.
Because for me it was always about performance, I sacked the whole cliquey scene off and got an actual sports car instead of a shopping trolley that had a weirdy cult status.
I can understand the 'DUB scene' hate, I was a part of it for a while, and it seems they're still all hung up on all conforming to the same look, and having the wheels you're supposed to have. Glad I got out before the performance destroying camber became a must have thing for everyone.
Edited by routari on Wednesday 27th July 20:22
31mph said:
Put me in the 'absolutely not' column
However, I do quite like seeing new cars get modified, as opposed to '96 polos
Youll like this then....However, I do quite like seeing new cars get modified, as opposed to '96 polos
http://s396.photobucket.com/user/ashholmez/media/P...
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