RE: Volkswagen Passat R36 estate: YKYWT

RE: Volkswagen Passat R36 estate: YKYWT

Tuesday 26th July 2016

Volkswagen Passat R36 estate: YKYWT

It doesn't get more Q than this - a 295hp Passat wagon that looks like a gussied-up TDI



Some cars seem to have been created to be secondhand buys, designed to skip the irksome requirement for some luckless mug - or leasing company - to buy them in the first place. These are the cars that need to suffer from the necessarily catastrophic depreciation that will turn them into used bargains, a fate that many reckoned would befall the Passat R36.


Or, in this case, the Passat R36 wagon, an even rarer beast. When it was launched back in 2008, the collective wisdom was that the Passat R36 wagon's residuals would follow the similarly abrupt downward trajectory of most performance reppers - one similar to that of an anvil free falling through a perfect vacuum. This was one of those cars that keyboard warriors assured each other would be available in a few years for barely more than a packet of peanuts. (I was, I'll admit, guilty of making the same assumption).

Yet that didn't happen. The uber-Passat has indeed fallen a fair way, but it's not really done significantly worse than similarly priced rivals wearing posher badges have done over the same period and mileage. This well-maintained R36 is an excellent reminder of just how much there was to like about this unpretentious performance wagon.

The R36 marked the last time any European market Passat was allowed an engine with more than four cylinders. The naturally-aspirated 3.6-litre V6 was basically a bigger and slightly brawnier version of the narrow-angle V6 fitted to the contemporary Golf R32, which was itself a heavy development of an engine that can trace its ancestry back to the first Golf VR6, launched as long ago as 1992. Drive heads to all four corners, but not through the usual Haldex-style part-time system; rather the R36 uses what's basically Audi's Torsen coupling all-wheel drive system, meaning permanent engagement. The only gearbox was a six-speed DSG twin-clutcher, and with 295hp on tap it's more than respectably quick, with a 5.6-second 0-62mph time and a limited 155mph top speed; this meant it was more powerful and quicker than the earlier Passat W8.


The wolfish performance is delivered under a lambswool jumper of such light-bending boringness that very few will realise just how special the R36 is. Yes, it's been given a visual makeover with a bodykit and big wheels, but one that's similar to that of a fully slammed mobilty scooter. Only the most cognisant of the cognoscenti will realise this isn't a TDI wearing an aftermarket bodykit.

Such utter Q-ness is a double-edged sword, of course. It gives the R36 an invisibility cloak that enables its driver to startle other road users with its storming performance, and to enjoy the hard-edged soundtrack that accompanies wielding the big stick. But looking like a middle-aged Passat also means the R36 will be treated with the utter lack of respect common to all of its ilk; it's the soft of car that a certain type of driver just has to pull out in front of.

Performance was strong, and should still be, but the rest of the driving experience was closer to spoon than scalpel. The R36 feels very stable when travelling at speed - you'd have to factor at least one Autobahn based adventure into any period of ownership - but it's less happy when asked to deal with twisty and bumpy stuff. The standard 'B6'-generation Passat always felt like a bit of a porker, and the R36's meaty engine and four-wheel drive gubbins means it weighs more than 1,700kg. Grip is keen but fades to understeer in tighter corners and the firm ride can get crashy over rough surfaces. The gearbox is another plus, though, providing it's been looked after. This was one of VW's better early DSG implementations, even managing to introduce a bit of pop and crackle to throttle-open upshifts.


Running costs aren't too scary - low 20s average economy is a reasonable expectation and the R36 can be persuaded to do far more than that on a gentle run. A 250g/km CO2 rating does it no favours, though - that's £500 a year in road tax.

For £12,000 it's also fair to say that the R36 looks more expensive than some obvious alternatives; you could get an Audi A6 Avant Quattro with similar age and mileage for less money, although you'd have to look hard for one with a petrol engine. While the Passat's value has a way further to fall its residuals will be riding a far shallower glide path than before. It's a rare and different car, one that stands out as conspicuously interesting in a part of the market that seems to otherwise offer nothing more than default choices.


VW PASSAT R36 ESTATE
Price:
£11,995
Why you should: Rare, interesting, quick
Why you shouldn't: Volkwagen, Passat, Estate

See the original advert here.

 

 

 

 

   

 

 

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leglessAlex

Original Poster:

5,434 posts

141 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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I really like these cars. I like how rare they are, I like how only those in the know will know and I think they're very handsome if maybe a little ordinary looking.


All the same, I'm not sure the rarity is worth £12k. I find the idea of owning such an unusual car very appealing but it also makes me wonder how easy/cheap it would be to repair if something breaks.

SwissJonese

1,393 posts

175 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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I almost bought one of these, but I wasn't a fan of the DSG in my Mk5 Golf R32 and these R36's only came with DSG. Also the fuel economy was shockingly bad in the R32 so must be much worse in these. They do sound lovely though.

Krikkit

26,514 posts

181 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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At 12k surely an S4 Avant is a better bet? I do like them though, there's something about the oddball engine that is very tempting.

cptsideways

13,544 posts

252 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Unmarked plodtastic

Baz Tench

5,648 posts

190 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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A slightly boring question, but I wonder what the range is like?

As an aside, I see a Passat W8 around here quite a lot. I think it has decats fitted. It sounds fantastic!

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Krikkit said:
At 12k surely an S4 Avant is a better bet? I do like them though, there's something about the oddball engine that is very tempting.
Agreed, I'd be looking at what that would get me from the Audi stable personally. Although if funds were a bit on the limited side I'd be having a browse for a decent Volvo V70R too, they're a bit older but they are cracking motors!

MrBarry123

6,027 posts

121 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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One of the coolest cars VW has ever made.

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

179 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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If you want a V6 4x4 estate from an average carmaker, why not an Insignia VXR?

I think people are latching onto this as some crazy attempt by VW to use V6s in the Passat until the bitter end. Other car makers are still managing it in 2016. You can even have a manual gearbox in the Insignia.

greenarrow

3,582 posts

117 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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I like these cars a lot, but a few downsides IMO

1) The VED- £490? That's a lot!
2) It doesn't like twisty roads much. For me that is a big negative because you are left with an A Road/M'way cruiser where a 3 litre TDI would make more sense.
3) The weight- 1700KG+ for a Passat is a lot!
4) For the BHP it isn't really all that fast, 0-100 in the 14s bracket...no faster than a 330d touring, before the re-map!

A few grand more gets you into a TFSI S4, which is much faster, will handle better and probably use less fuel.....

Still glad It exists though....have always loved my Q-cars.

SirSquidalot

4,041 posts

165 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Rare beast this, but id rather have a V8 S4.

MDMA .

8,884 posts

101 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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I quite like them. book price for an 08 one with 90k miles is 3600 PX and 4600 at a dealer. would have to be a lot cheaper than 12k.

SuperchargedVR6

3,138 posts

220 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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greenarrow said:
I like these cars a lot, but a few downsides IMO

1) The VED- £490? That's a lot!
2) It doesn't like twisty roads much. For me that is a big negative because you are left with an A Road/M'way cruiser where a 3 litre TDI would make more sense.
3) The weight- 1700KG+ for a Passat is a lot!
4) For the BHP it isn't really all that fast, 0-100 in the 14s bracket...no faster than a 330d touring, before the re-map!

A few grand more gets you into a TFSI S4, which is much faster, will handle better and probably use less fuel.....

Still glad It exists though....have always loved my Q-cars.
It's a Passat. No one is expecting nurburgring records from it. And why do people still go on about VED? Obviously it's going to be at the upper end with a CO2 belching lump under the hood.

NelsonP

240 posts

139 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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I had one for a while. Decent car. V fast in a straight line but too heavy to maintain pace in the corners, and tends to understeer. It was an ex vw car so had every possible option. I really liked it, mainly for its rarity and q factor.

Sadly, some daft bint decided to turn into a junction on the wrong side of the road and wrote it off. She'd just spent 6 months in Spain and had obviously left her brain there.

I'm pretty sure whoever ended up with it fixed it up and put it back on the road, which would have required arrive pretty extensive cutting and welding. Beware!

Edit: just checked and my old r36 is indeed taxed and mot'd. It's still only done 45,000 miles though, so it's definitely not the one in the ad.

Edited by NelsonP on Tuesday 26th July 11:51

Dave Hedgehog

14,549 posts

204 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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very nice, but i think i would get another R32 as they are big enough for me

Dafuq

371 posts

170 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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I love a good Q-car me, and this is definitely a cracker. Yes the Audi would be a more obvious choice but they are less, well, Q aren't they.

One the rarity front, I regularly see a VW Toureg R56 in the same blue as this Passat over here in Sydney. Nice looking thing.

Baryonyx

17,995 posts

159 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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At least the W8 was blessed with an interesting engine that made an amazing noise.

405dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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leglessAlex said:
All the same, I'm not sure the rarity is worth £12k. I find the idea of owning such an unusual car very appealing but it also makes me wonder how easy/cheap it would be to repair if something breaks.
Compare with this blast from 4 years back

http://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-spottedykyw...

W8 Passat Wagon - £2600...

The absolute elephant in your wallet is that gearbox - they can and do go wrong and they are nightmarishly expensive to fix (read that as replace) - so the W8 had the upper-hand there too!!

Everything else on that car is just expensive - but any gearbox issue will cost fortunes - way beyond economic sensibility...


lufbramatt

5,342 posts

134 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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<geek mode> first cars with a VR6 in was the mk3 Passat 2.8 VR6 and Corrado in 1991 </geek mode>

Witchfinder

6,250 posts

252 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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An eight-year-old Passat, with over 80k on the clock, for twelve grand? I think you can do a lot better for the money, maybe a V10 Audi S6 for example.

Jack4688

77 posts

153 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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The B5 and B5.5 Passats had a Torsen four-wheel-drive system as they were based on the same platform as the Audi A4 B5. This is the B6 which had a transverse engine and therefore Haldex clutch, not Torsen.

This is even taken from Mike Duff's report from autocar, to which this story has a link:

"Under the surface this Passat has lost the Audi A6 quattro [Audi A4 quattro] underpinnings of the previous-generation four-wheel drive version, instead getting a Golf 4Motion-spec Haldex clutch on the back axle to divert torque rearwards when slip is detected."

"Only the most cognisant of the cognoscenti will realise this isn't a TDI wearing an aftermarket bodykit.

Such utter Q-ness..."

Surely aftermarket bodykit (in this case could be confused for one) and Q-Car don't mix? A Passat W8 is a Q-Car, if you don't spot the four tail pipes, I don't think an R36 qualifies...

Edited by Jack4688 on Tuesday 26th July 12:12