RE: F1 driver training... in an Astra

RE: F1 driver training... in an Astra

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CABC

5,589 posts

102 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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David, you speak sense at times.

Frimley111R

15,677 posts

235 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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The most interesting point about this, for me, was how the fundamentals of driving which I never expected to change, have due to new tech. I always drive as smoothly as I can on track (not racing) and yet, with a modern car this is no longer the way to go.

The Wookie

13,964 posts

229 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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Porsche911R said:
yep I am not sure how this work for roads cars on track !!!

"The basic premise being the traditional circuit driving mantra of smooth lines, opening the corners and taking the path of least resistance is simply outdated."

is it though !


F1 is a whole new game with saving tyres and they have the power out the bends no issue.

roads cars need to carry as much speed out the bends as possible as they don't have to worry about tyre wear and don't have the power to get max speed by the next corner !

most road cars feel under powered on track so getting the corner speed right is key for the next straight vmax where time is gained !



alass we don't drive "the modern racing car" as stated in the review !

As can be seen with qually F1, laps are far faster than racing laps due to the tyre they have to keep good, so F1 cars are racing slower laps !!!! NOT faster laps !!! and on the qually laps they are smoother and leaning on the tyre in full, hence they only get 2 laps at top speed !!

Lewis is a racer, he says he can go far far faster, but he has to keep the tyres good ! again can be seen on in laps when they ALWAYS do a fast inlap.

do we want F1 training to go faster on track days, I don't think so !

Yes we all need training, but imo in a road car exit speed is key to a fast lap. Track knowledge again "key" noted in the review 3/4 of the gain was in knowing the track !

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 28th July 10:57
Works in anything that isn't totally gutless or on crossplies, in fact exit speed is exactly what it's for! Probably helps with tyre wear for the dull F1 tyre saving but it isn't its primary purpose

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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About a minute!

carinaman

21,325 posts

173 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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As another has said Rob Wilson has contributed to a few of the Peter Windsor The Racers' Edge videos and one even ends with Rob Wilson's band playing in a field somewhere.

RobinSherwood

336 posts

216 months

Sunday 31st July 2016
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It is also worth noting that Rob has been teaching in this way long before the current F1 tyres came into being, so his technique its not about just the current crop of F1 cars and drivers and as has been said can be applied to all different sorts of cars.

oldtimer2

728 posts

134 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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A very good read. The Windsor videos previously referred to are worth watching if you are into this stuff. IIRC, in one of them, I think he once said there was not much, if anything, he could teach Lewis Hamilton - he was a natural or had developed and honed his skills go-karting from an early age.

fergus

6,430 posts

276 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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I recall doing some training with "The Bearded One" (Don Palmer) at Bruntingthorpe a few years ago in my old 964RS (remind me why I sold that for 20% of its current value?), when he then instructed me to follow a Vauxhall insignia which came flying past.... I was struggling to keep up. Explains it all.

Simon Crafar has a similar style when giving tuition for bikes. Sod the traditional take on things.

Gemaeden

291 posts

116 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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From the article:

.... nearly 7.5 seconds chopped out of my initial time in the space of perhaps a dozen laps. Rob's assessment is generous; he reckons three fifths of that is familiarity with the track and a net gain of a couple of seconds purely from technique....


The assessment may well be right, wouldn't it be more scientific to allow the times to come down through familiarity until they stabilise and then add the teaching, just to prove it's worth? For all the client knows it might be all familiarity, or the benefits might be even greater than what is claimed.

That's certainly the way I'd like it to be done.

bigblock

772 posts

199 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2016
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The Wookie said:
Works in anything that isn't totally gutless or on crossplies, in fact exit speed is exactly what it's for! Probably helps with tyre wear for the dull F1 tyre saving but it isn't its primary purpose
I don't think it is actually about exit speed but more about speed of exit.

A traditional smooth driving style will allow you to carry more speed through a corner but it will take longer before the car is level and straight (flat car) and more power can be applied.

Using the new technique the car carries less speed through the corner but is in the 'flat car' position quicker allowing more throttle to be applied earlier.

With the current levels of grip and torque in F1 it is all about who can get on the throttle faster (speed of exit) rather than who carries more speed through tight corners (exit speed).






Edited by bigblock on Wednesday 10th August 23:37

SmartVenom

462 posts

170 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2016
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Dan,

Is this a course he runs or was it aspect fix media event? I'd be very interested in more details if it is a course.

Cheers