RE: F1 driver training... in an Astra
Discussion
Porsche911R said:
yep I am not sure how this work for roads cars on track !!!
"The basic premise being the traditional circuit driving mantra of smooth lines, opening the corners and taking the path of least resistance is simply outdated."
is it though !
F1 is a whole new game with saving tyres and they have the power out the bends no issue.
roads cars need to carry as much speed out the bends as possible as they don't have to worry about tyre wear and don't have the power to get max speed by the next corner !
most road cars feel under powered on track so getting the corner speed right is key for the next straight vmax where time is gained !
alass we don't drive "the modern racing car" as stated in the review !
As can be seen with qually F1, laps are far faster than racing laps due to the tyre they have to keep good, so F1 cars are racing slower laps !!!! NOT faster laps !!! and on the qually laps they are smoother and leaning on the tyre in full, hence they only get 2 laps at top speed !!
Lewis is a racer, he says he can go far far faster, but he has to keep the tyres good ! again can be seen on in laps when they ALWAYS do a fast inlap.
do we want F1 training to go faster on track days, I don't think so !
Yes we all need training, but imo in a road car exit speed is key to a fast lap. Track knowledge again "key" noted in the review 3/4 of the gain was in knowing the track !
Works in anything that isn't totally gutless or on crossplies, in fact exit speed is exactly what it's for! Probably helps with tyre wear for the dull F1 tyre saving but it isn't its primary purpose"The basic premise being the traditional circuit driving mantra of smooth lines, opening the corners and taking the path of least resistance is simply outdated."
is it though !
F1 is a whole new game with saving tyres and they have the power out the bends no issue.
roads cars need to carry as much speed out the bends as possible as they don't have to worry about tyre wear and don't have the power to get max speed by the next corner !
most road cars feel under powered on track so getting the corner speed right is key for the next straight vmax where time is gained !
alass we don't drive "the modern racing car" as stated in the review !
As can be seen with qually F1, laps are far faster than racing laps due to the tyre they have to keep good, so F1 cars are racing slower laps !!!! NOT faster laps !!! and on the qually laps they are smoother and leaning on the tyre in full, hence they only get 2 laps at top speed !!
Lewis is a racer, he says he can go far far faster, but he has to keep the tyres good ! again can be seen on in laps when they ALWAYS do a fast inlap.
do we want F1 training to go faster on track days, I don't think so !
Yes we all need training, but imo in a road car exit speed is key to a fast lap. Track knowledge again "key" noted in the review 3/4 of the gain was in knowing the track !
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 28th July 10:57
A very good read. The Windsor videos previously referred to are worth watching if you are into this stuff. IIRC, in one of them, I think he once said there was not much, if anything, he could teach Lewis Hamilton - he was a natural or had developed and honed his skills go-karting from an early age.
I recall doing some training with "The Bearded One" (Don Palmer) at Bruntingthorpe a few years ago in my old 964RS (remind me why I sold that for 20% of its current value?), when he then instructed me to follow a Vauxhall insignia which came flying past.... I was struggling to keep up. Explains it all.
Simon Crafar has a similar style when giving tuition for bikes. Sod the traditional take on things.
Simon Crafar has a similar style when giving tuition for bikes. Sod the traditional take on things.
From the article:
.... nearly 7.5 seconds chopped out of my initial time in the space of perhaps a dozen laps. Rob's assessment is generous; he reckons three fifths of that is familiarity with the track and a net gain of a couple of seconds purely from technique....
The assessment may well be right, wouldn't it be more scientific to allow the times to come down through familiarity until they stabilise and then add the teaching, just to prove it's worth? For all the client knows it might be all familiarity, or the benefits might be even greater than what is claimed.
That's certainly the way I'd like it to be done.
.... nearly 7.5 seconds chopped out of my initial time in the space of perhaps a dozen laps. Rob's assessment is generous; he reckons three fifths of that is familiarity with the track and a net gain of a couple of seconds purely from technique....
The assessment may well be right, wouldn't it be more scientific to allow the times to come down through familiarity until they stabilise and then add the teaching, just to prove it's worth? For all the client knows it might be all familiarity, or the benefits might be even greater than what is claimed.
That's certainly the way I'd like it to be done.
The Wookie said:
Works in anything that isn't totally gutless or on crossplies, in fact exit speed is exactly what it's for! Probably helps with tyre wear for the dull F1 tyre saving but it isn't its primary purpose
I don't think it is actually about exit speed but more about speed of exit.A traditional smooth driving style will allow you to carry more speed through a corner but it will take longer before the car is level and straight (flat car) and more power can be applied.
Using the new technique the car carries less speed through the corner but is in the 'flat car' position quicker allowing more throttle to be applied earlier.
With the current levels of grip and torque in F1 it is all about who can get on the throttle faster (speed of exit) rather than who carries more speed through tight corners (exit speed).
Edited by bigblock on Wednesday 10th August 23:37
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff