Birth Cert not good enough for Student Finance England
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Hope I've put this in the correct place....
Daughter going to Uni in Sept and fortunate enough to be on one of the funded NHS courses. NHS (understandably) have seen her Driving License and Birth Certificate and accepted it as proof of identity- All sent by Special delivery and pre-paid return Special Delivery. Subsequent to all this applied to Student Finance England for student loan (for accom etc) as is the normal practice. SFE require to see her proof of NHS funding and Birth Certificate and application forms, all sent by signed for delivery. Now it gets more complicated. SFE return docs, but say they need a form signed by a responsible individual (list including doctors, police officers, Post masters etc, usual sort of thing) to verify that she is the person on her Birth Certificate (I kid ye not). This person has to have known her for over 2 years and within the last 2 years, have a UK passport, and also include their passport number on the form. So round to our village Post Office where they know her, and the Post Master does the necessary, and puts his title "Sub-Post Master" because is is a Sub-Post Office. SFE reject this. On questioning why, they say he is not of high enough standing. So we are stuck, as she doesn't know anyone else who's known her more than 2 years - her 6th form college tutors haven't known her long enough, and the previous school tutors haven't seen her recently enough. My wife asked them if they could just delete the word "sub", but they said they can't do this and are sending a new form, and if we re-submit without the word "sub" and signed by the same individual they will accept it - She asked them if they were really thinking about what they'd just said and how absurd it was? They weren't bothered. To complicate further the sub (or not) Post Master has just been admitted to hospital suffering from Cancer, so the last thing we would consider is visiting him in hospital asking him to sign forms! I'm pretty confident the GP (who seems to change every 6 months) and doesn't know her would happily anything without question for £50. What an absurd illogical double check for something that's already been checked by the NHS who are actually giving funding to her education.
So that's my rant for this week. I'll just add that this is red tape gone mad, and while we are checking out to the nth degree (with irrational logic) our aspiring degree students (who are applying for a loan which they will pay back with interest), there are unknown Rapists, Murderers and Terrorists entering our island (albeit not many in those categories, but you get my drift)
Daughter going to Uni in Sept and fortunate enough to be on one of the funded NHS courses. NHS (understandably) have seen her Driving License and Birth Certificate and accepted it as proof of identity- All sent by Special delivery and pre-paid return Special Delivery. Subsequent to all this applied to Student Finance England for student loan (for accom etc) as is the normal practice. SFE require to see her proof of NHS funding and Birth Certificate and application forms, all sent by signed for delivery. Now it gets more complicated. SFE return docs, but say they need a form signed by a responsible individual (list including doctors, police officers, Post masters etc, usual sort of thing) to verify that she is the person on her Birth Certificate (I kid ye not). This person has to have known her for over 2 years and within the last 2 years, have a UK passport, and also include their passport number on the form. So round to our village Post Office where they know her, and the Post Master does the necessary, and puts his title "Sub-Post Master" because is is a Sub-Post Office. SFE reject this. On questioning why, they say he is not of high enough standing. So we are stuck, as she doesn't know anyone else who's known her more than 2 years - her 6th form college tutors haven't known her long enough, and the previous school tutors haven't seen her recently enough. My wife asked them if they could just delete the word "sub", but they said they can't do this and are sending a new form, and if we re-submit without the word "sub" and signed by the same individual they will accept it - She asked them if they were really thinking about what they'd just said and how absurd it was? They weren't bothered. To complicate further the sub (or not) Post Master has just been admitted to hospital suffering from Cancer, so the last thing we would consider is visiting him in hospital asking him to sign forms! I'm pretty confident the GP (who seems to change every 6 months) and doesn't know her would happily anything without question for £50. What an absurd illogical double check for something that's already been checked by the NHS who are actually giving funding to her education.
So that's my rant for this week. I'll just add that this is red tape gone mad, and while we are checking out to the nth degree (with irrational logic) our aspiring degree students (who are applying for a loan which they will pay back with interest), there are unknown Rapists, Murderers and Terrorists entering our island (albeit not many in those categories, but you get my drift)
Fastpedeller said:
Hope I've put this in the correct place....
Daughter going to Uni in Sept and fortunate enough to be on one of the funded NHS courses. NHS (understandably) have seen her Driving License and Birth Certificate and accepted it as proof of identity- All sent by Special delivery and pre-paid return Special Delivery. Subsequent to all this applied to Student Finance England for student loan (for accom etc) as is the normal practice. SFE require to see her proof of NHS funding and Birth Certificate and application forms, all sent by signed for delivery. Now it gets more complicated. SFE return docs, but say they need a form signed by a responsible individual (list including doctors, police officers, Post masters etc, usual sort of thing) to verify that she is the person on her Birth Certificate (I kid ye not). This person has to have known her for over 2 years and within the last 2 years, have a UK passport, and also include their passport number on the form. So round to our village Post Office where they know her, and the Post Master does the necessary, and puts his title "Sub-Post Master" because is is a Sub-Post Office. SFE reject this. On questioning why, they say he is not of high enough standing. So we are stuck, as she doesn't know anyone else who's known her more than 2 years - her 6th form college tutors haven't known her long enough, and the previous school tutors haven't seen her recently enough. My wife asked them if they could just delete the word "sub", but they said they can't do this and are sending a new form, and if we re-submit without the word "sub" and signed by the same individual they will accept it - She asked them if they were really thinking about what they'd just said and how absurd it was? They weren't bothered. To complicate further the sub (or not) Post Master has just been admitted to hospital suffering from Cancer, so the last thing we would consider is visiting him in hospital asking him to sign forms! I'm pretty confident the GP (who seems to change every 6 months) and doesn't know her would happily anything without question for £50. What an absurd illogical double check for something that's already been checked by the NHS who are actually giving funding to her education.
So that's my rant for this week. I'll just add that this is red tape gone mad, and while we are checking out to the nth degree (with irrational logic) our aspiring degree students (who are applying for a loan which they will pay back with interest), there are unknown Rapists, Murderers and Terrorists entering our island (albeit not many in those categories, but you get my drift)
If she does get to Uni; ask her to teach you about paragraphs and spacing- that's one dense text block.Daughter going to Uni in Sept and fortunate enough to be on one of the funded NHS courses. NHS (understandably) have seen her Driving License and Birth Certificate and accepted it as proof of identity- All sent by Special delivery and pre-paid return Special Delivery. Subsequent to all this applied to Student Finance England for student loan (for accom etc) as is the normal practice. SFE require to see her proof of NHS funding and Birth Certificate and application forms, all sent by signed for delivery. Now it gets more complicated. SFE return docs, but say they need a form signed by a responsible individual (list including doctors, police officers, Post masters etc, usual sort of thing) to verify that she is the person on her Birth Certificate (I kid ye not). This person has to have known her for over 2 years and within the last 2 years, have a UK passport, and also include their passport number on the form. So round to our village Post Office where they know her, and the Post Master does the necessary, and puts his title "Sub-Post Master" because is is a Sub-Post Office. SFE reject this. On questioning why, they say he is not of high enough standing. So we are stuck, as she doesn't know anyone else who's known her more than 2 years - her 6th form college tutors haven't known her long enough, and the previous school tutors haven't seen her recently enough. My wife asked them if they could just delete the word "sub", but they said they can't do this and are sending a new form, and if we re-submit without the word "sub" and signed by the same individual they will accept it - She asked them if they were really thinking about what they'd just said and how absurd it was? They weren't bothered. To complicate further the sub (or not) Post Master has just been admitted to hospital suffering from Cancer, so the last thing we would consider is visiting him in hospital asking him to sign forms! I'm pretty confident the GP (who seems to change every 6 months) and doesn't know her would happily anything without question for £50. What an absurd illogical double check for something that's already been checked by the NHS who are actually giving funding to her education.
So that's my rant for this week. I'll just add that this is red tape gone mad, and while we are checking out to the nth degree (with irrational logic) our aspiring degree students (who are applying for a loan which they will pay back with interest), there are unknown Rapists, Murderers and Terrorists entering our island (albeit not many in those categories, but you get my drift)
jdw100 said:
Fastpedeller said:
Hope I've put this in the correct place....
Daughter going to Uni in Sept and fortunate enough to be on one of the funded NHS courses. NHS (understandably) have seen her Driving License and Birth Certificate and accepted it as proof of identity- All sent by Special delivery and pre-paid return Special Delivery. Subsequent to all this applied to Student Finance England for student loan (for accom etc) as is the normal practice. SFE require to see her proof of NHS funding and Birth Certificate and application forms, all sent by signed for delivery. Now it gets more complicated. SFE return docs, but say they need a form signed by a responsible individual (list including doctors, police officers, Post masters etc, usual sort of thing) to verify that she is the person on her Birth Certificate (I kid ye not). This person has to have known her for over 2 years and within the last 2 years, have a UK passport, and also include their passport number on the form. So round to our village Post Office where they know her, and the Post Master does the necessary, and puts his title "Sub-Post Master" because is is a Sub-Post Office. SFE reject this. On questioning why, they say he is not of high enough standing. So we are stuck, as she doesn't know anyone else who's known her more than 2 years - her 6th form college tutors haven't known her long enough, and the previous school tutors haven't seen her recently enough. My wife asked them if they could just delete the word "sub", but they said they can't do this and are sending a new form, and if we re-submit without the word "sub" and signed by the same individual they will accept it - She asked them if they were really thinking about what they'd just said and how absurd it was? They weren't bothered. To complicate further the sub (or not) Post Master has just been admitted to hospital suffering from Cancer, so the last thing we would consider is visiting him in hospital asking him to sign forms! I'm pretty confident the GP (who seems to change every 6 months) and doesn't know her would happily anything without question for £50. What an absurd illogical double check for something that's already been checked by the NHS who are actually giving funding to her education.
So that's my rant for this week. I'll just add that this is red tape gone mad, and while we are checking out to the nth degree (with irrational logic) our aspiring degree students (who are applying for a loan which they will pay back with interest), there are unknown Rapists, Murderers and Terrorists entering our island (albeit not many in those categories, but you get my drift)
If she does get to Uni; ask her to teach you about paragraphs and spacing- that's one dense text block.Daughter going to Uni in Sept and fortunate enough to be on one of the funded NHS courses. NHS (understandably) have seen her Driving License and Birth Certificate and accepted it as proof of identity- All sent by Special delivery and pre-paid return Special Delivery. Subsequent to all this applied to Student Finance England for student loan (for accom etc) as is the normal practice. SFE require to see her proof of NHS funding and Birth Certificate and application forms, all sent by signed for delivery. Now it gets more complicated. SFE return docs, but say they need a form signed by a responsible individual (list including doctors, police officers, Post masters etc, usual sort of thing) to verify that she is the person on her Birth Certificate (I kid ye not). This person has to have known her for over 2 years and within the last 2 years, have a UK passport, and also include their passport number on the form. So round to our village Post Office where they know her, and the Post Master does the necessary, and puts his title "Sub-Post Master" because is is a Sub-Post Office. SFE reject this. On questioning why, they say he is not of high enough standing. So we are stuck, as she doesn't know anyone else who's known her more than 2 years - her 6th form college tutors haven't known her long enough, and the previous school tutors haven't seen her recently enough. My wife asked them if they could just delete the word "sub", but they said they can't do this and are sending a new form, and if we re-submit without the word "sub" and signed by the same individual they will accept it - She asked them if they were really thinking about what they'd just said and how absurd it was? They weren't bothered. To complicate further the sub (or not) Post Master has just been admitted to hospital suffering from Cancer, so the last thing we would consider is visiting him in hospital asking him to sign forms! I'm pretty confident the GP (who seems to change every 6 months) and doesn't know her would happily anything without question for £50. What an absurd illogical double check for something that's already been checked by the NHS who are actually giving funding to her education.
So that's my rant for this week. I'll just add that this is red tape gone mad, and while we are checking out to the nth degree (with irrational logic) our aspiring degree students (who are applying for a loan which they will pay back with interest), there are unknown Rapists, Murderers and Terrorists entering our island (albeit not many in those categories, but you get my drift)
I love these throwbacks to the Victorian era idea of 'community members of good standing'. Because you never see the police, doctors or politicians in the press for malpractice. They're above sin, unlike the rest of us vassals 
Just a thought OP but do they not accept chartered professionals like accountants and so on? You can be a Chartered pretty much anything these days, so there may be a friend of a family that qualifies?
Just a thought OP but do they not accept chartered professionals like accountants and so on? You can be a Chartered pretty much anything these days, so there may be a friend of a family that qualifies?
FredClogs said:
There is massive fraud around student loans and university financing. It's a lot of money with a very long repayment period, I don't know why you'd expect to just hand it over to any old sausage or other.
What, like every other government run entity that happily forks out money like it's going out of fashion?Theophany said:
FredClogs said:
There is massive fraud around student loans and university financing. It's a lot of money with a very long repayment period, I don't know why you'd expect to just hand it over to any old sausage or other.
What, like every other government run entity that happily forks out money like it's going out of fashion?
Theophany said:
FredClogs said:
There is massive fraud around student loans and university financing. It's a lot of money with a very long repayment period, I don't know why you'd expect to just hand it over to any old sausage or other.
What, like every other government run entity that happily forks out money like it's going out of fashion?NHS have checked and are providing bulk of the funding. SFE can check on her birth cert origins, her driving license, and the passport of the signatory. The other option they gave (ironically) was to get her a passport (which would be signed by our (sub or not) Postmaster and supply that as they would accept that without any further checks. Hmm, so those with fake passports have easy loans then???
RobinOakapple said:
jdw100 said:
Fastpedeller said:
Hope I've put this in the correct place....
Daughter going to Uni in Sept and fortunate enough to be on one of the funded NHS courses. NHS (understandably) have seen her Driving License and Birth Certificate and accepted it as proof of identity- All sent by Special delivery and pre-paid return Special Delivery. Subsequent to all this applied to Student Finance England for student loan (for accom etc) as is the normal practice. SFE require to see her proof of NHS funding and Birth Certificate and application forms, all sent by signed for delivery. Now it gets more complicated. SFE return docs, but say they need a form signed by a responsible individual (list including doctors, police officers, Post masters etc, usual sort of thing) to verify that she is the person on her Birth Certificate (I kid ye not). This person has to have known her for over 2 years and within the last 2 years, have a UK passport, and also include their passport number on the form. So round to our village Post Office where they know her, and the Post Master does the necessary, and puts his title "Sub-Post Master" because is is a Sub-Post Office. SFE reject this. On questioning why, they say he is not of high enough standing. So we are stuck, as she doesn't know anyone else who's known her more than 2 years - her 6th form college tutors haven't known her long enough, and the previous school tutors haven't seen her recently enough. My wife asked them if they could just delete the word "sub", but they said they can't do this and are sending a new form, and if we re-submit without the word "sub" and signed by the same individual they will accept it - She asked them if they were really thinking about what they'd just said and how absurd it was? They weren't bothered. To complicate further the sub (or not) Post Master has just been admitted to hospital suffering from Cancer, so the last thing we would consider is visiting him in hospital asking him to sign forms! I'm pretty confident the GP (who seems to change every 6 months) and doesn't know her would happily anything without question for £50. What an absurd illogical double check for something that's already been checked by the NHS who are actually giving funding to her education.
So that's my rant for this week. I'll just add that this is red tape gone mad, and while we are checking out to the nth degree (with irrational logic) our aspiring degree students (who are applying for a loan which they will pay back with interest), there are unknown Rapists, Murderers and Terrorists entering our island (albeit not many in those categories, but you get my drift)
If she does get to Uni; ask her to teach you about paragraphs and spacing- that's one dense text block.Daughter going to Uni in Sept and fortunate enough to be on one of the funded NHS courses. NHS (understandably) have seen her Driving License and Birth Certificate and accepted it as proof of identity- All sent by Special delivery and pre-paid return Special Delivery. Subsequent to all this applied to Student Finance England for student loan (for accom etc) as is the normal practice. SFE require to see her proof of NHS funding and Birth Certificate and application forms, all sent by signed for delivery. Now it gets more complicated. SFE return docs, but say they need a form signed by a responsible individual (list including doctors, police officers, Post masters etc, usual sort of thing) to verify that she is the person on her Birth Certificate (I kid ye not). This person has to have known her for over 2 years and within the last 2 years, have a UK passport, and also include their passport number on the form. So round to our village Post Office where they know her, and the Post Master does the necessary, and puts his title "Sub-Post Master" because is is a Sub-Post Office. SFE reject this. On questioning why, they say he is not of high enough standing. So we are stuck, as she doesn't know anyone else who's known her more than 2 years - her 6th form college tutors haven't known her long enough, and the previous school tutors haven't seen her recently enough. My wife asked them if they could just delete the word "sub", but they said they can't do this and are sending a new form, and if we re-submit without the word "sub" and signed by the same individual they will accept it - She asked them if they were really thinking about what they'd just said and how absurd it was? They weren't bothered. To complicate further the sub (or not) Post Master has just been admitted to hospital suffering from Cancer, so the last thing we would consider is visiting him in hospital asking him to sign forms! I'm pretty confident the GP (who seems to change every 6 months) and doesn't know her would happily anything without question for £50. What an absurd illogical double check for something that's already been checked by the NHS who are actually giving funding to her education.
So that's my rant for this week. I'll just add that this is red tape gone mad, and while we are checking out to the nth degree (with irrational logic) our aspiring degree students (who are applying for a loan which they will pay back with interest), there are unknown Rapists, Murderers and Terrorists entering our island (albeit not many in those categories, but you get my drift)
Fastpedeller said:
In fact, because of the NHS funding and savings she has made over the last few years (she works hard) she was only wanting some £1500 pa loan. I can understand checks being made (as a taxpayer I don't want it chucked to any bod either) but look at the logic (or lack of) in detail....
NHS have checked and are providing bulk of the funding. SFE can check on her birth cert origins, her driving license, and the passport of the signatory. The other option they gave (ironically) was to get her a passport (which would be signed by our (sub or not) Postmaster and supply that as they would accept that without any further checks. Hmm, so those with fake passports have easy loans then???
Sounds like a pretty straightforward case of people 'just doing their job.' Follow what the manual says and keep collecting your payslip.NHS have checked and are providing bulk of the funding. SFE can check on her birth cert origins, her driving license, and the passport of the signatory. The other option they gave (ironically) was to get her a passport (which would be signed by our (sub or not) Postmaster and supply that as they would accept that without any further checks. Hmm, so those with fake passports have easy loans then???
As others have said, do you know any actuaries or notaries who could sign for you? They tend to be acceptable signatories for these types of hoop jumping.
Fastpedeller said:
Hope I've put this in the correct place....
Daughter going to Uni in Sept and fortunate enough to be on one of the funded NHS courses. NHS (understandably) have seen her Driving License and Birth Certificate and accepted it as proof of identity- All sent by Special delivery and pre-paid return Special Delivery. Subsequent to all this applied to Student Finance England for student loan (for accom etc) as is the normal practice. SFE require to see her proof of NHS funding and Birth Certificate and application forms, all sent by signed for delivery. Now it gets more complicated. SFE return docs, but say they need a form signed by a responsible individual (list including doctors, police officers, Post masters etc, usual sort of thing) to verify that she is the person on her Birth Certificate (I kid ye not). This person has to have known her for over 2 years and within the last 2 years, have a UK passport, and also include their passport number on the form. So round to our village Post Office where they know her, and the Post Master does the necessary, and puts his title "Sub-Post Master" because is is a Sub-Post Office. SFE reject this. On questioning why, they say he is not of high enough standing. So we are stuck, as she doesn't know anyone else who's known her more than 2 years - her 6th form college tutors haven't known her long enough, and the previous school tutors haven't seen her recently enough. My wife asked them if they could just delete the word "sub", but they said they can't do this and are sending a new form, and if we re-submit without the word "sub" and signed by the same individual they will accept it - She asked them if they were really thinking about what they'd just said and how absurd it was? They weren't bothered. To complicate further the sub (or not) Post Master has just been admitted to hospital suffering from Cancer, so the last thing we would consider is visiting him in hospital asking him to sign forms! I'm pretty confident the GP (who seems to change every 6 months) and doesn't know her would happily anything without question for £50. What an absurd illogical double check for something that's already been checked by the NHS who are actually giving funding to her education.
So that's my rant for this week. I'll just add that this is red tape gone mad, and while we are checking out to the nth degree (with irrational logic) our aspiring degree students (who are applying for a loan which they will pay back with interest), there are unknown Rapists, Murderers and Terrorists entering our island (albeit not many in those categories, but you get my drift)
Sounds like the same list as for passport signing. Who do you get to sign your passport forms when you need one? Any professionally qualified person that knows your family should be able to sign it for you. Daughter going to Uni in Sept and fortunate enough to be on one of the funded NHS courses. NHS (understandably) have seen her Driving License and Birth Certificate and accepted it as proof of identity- All sent by Special delivery and pre-paid return Special Delivery. Subsequent to all this applied to Student Finance England for student loan (for accom etc) as is the normal practice. SFE require to see her proof of NHS funding and Birth Certificate and application forms, all sent by signed for delivery. Now it gets more complicated. SFE return docs, but say they need a form signed by a responsible individual (list including doctors, police officers, Post masters etc, usual sort of thing) to verify that she is the person on her Birth Certificate (I kid ye not). This person has to have known her for over 2 years and within the last 2 years, have a UK passport, and also include their passport number on the form. So round to our village Post Office where they know her, and the Post Master does the necessary, and puts his title "Sub-Post Master" because is is a Sub-Post Office. SFE reject this. On questioning why, they say he is not of high enough standing. So we are stuck, as she doesn't know anyone else who's known her more than 2 years - her 6th form college tutors haven't known her long enough, and the previous school tutors haven't seen her recently enough. My wife asked them if they could just delete the word "sub", but they said they can't do this and are sending a new form, and if we re-submit without the word "sub" and signed by the same individual they will accept it - She asked them if they were really thinking about what they'd just said and how absurd it was? They weren't bothered. To complicate further the sub (or not) Post Master has just been admitted to hospital suffering from Cancer, so the last thing we would consider is visiting him in hospital asking him to sign forms! I'm pretty confident the GP (who seems to change every 6 months) and doesn't know her would happily anything without question for £50. What an absurd illogical double check for something that's already been checked by the NHS who are actually giving funding to her education.
So that's my rant for this week. I'll just add that this is red tape gone mad, and while we are checking out to the nth degree (with irrational logic) our aspiring degree students (who are applying for a loan which they will pay back with interest), there are unknown Rapists, Murderers and Terrorists entering our island (albeit not many in those categories, but you get my drift)
Who signs the passport forms for the terrorists for that matter? Last time I signed a passport form I don't recall being asked to comment on their criminal status, but then it was an 11 year old...
Fastpedeller said:
Ahh the grammar police. What's the problem, you managed to read it and at least the apostrophe's's are correct!
Sorry - I didn't even try to read beyond the first line.Spacing and punctuation was invented so people could communicate more easily. I don't know why people ignore it.
Just wait until you have to apply for the second year, only then will you realise just how, utterly, useless the SFE system is!
FredClogs said:
There is massive fraud around student loans and university financing. It's a lot of money with a very long repayment period, I don't know why you'd expect to just hand it over to any old sausage or other.
The fraud takes place after the process has begun, has nothing to do with ID documents and everything to do with how unsecure the online system is!Eric Mc said:
Fastpedeller said:
Ahh the grammar police. What's the problem, you managed to read it and at least the apostrophe's's are correct!
Sorry - I didn't even try to read beyond the first line.Spacing and punctuation was invented so people could communicate more easily. I don't know why people ignore it.
Should rhetorical questions have a question mark?
Fastpedeller said:
Ahh the grammar police. What's the problem, you managed to read it and at least the apostrophe's's are correct!
It's absolutely nothing to do with grammar, it's to do with good manners, taking the small amount if time necessary to make your post clearly legible. I daresay I could have managed to read it if I had really wanted to, but if you can't be bothered to write properly, then I can't be bothered to read what you've written.
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