RE: Noble M600 reborn and revisited

RE: Noble M600 reborn and revisited

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RumbleOfThunder

3,546 posts

202 months

Friday 12th August 2016
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sjc said:
Now how about that chaps?
SVR, PH meet at your place for the naysayers then eh?
Aww did you go and taddle on those mean naysayers who feel the car isn't worth 330k? smile

Mezzanine

9,148 posts

218 months

Friday 12th August 2016
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firebird350 said:
I always thought the M15 was the Noble which should have truly established the brand. I certainly prefer its looks to anything else Noble have done. Ok, it still had the Ford V6 with twin turbos but edged its predecessor with a North-South engine location and a bespoke gearbox. It was also said to be more habitable day-to-day and less track-focussed than the M400, so a touch of everyday civility stood it in good stead without compromising performance.

After all, figures claimed were 0-60 in 3.5 secs and around 185 MPH all out. Plus it was priced around £75K (ok, that was back in 2006) which kind of pitched it around base 911 territory. Not reasonable?





It is pretty clear how close the shape of the M15 is to the M600, particularly the side and nose area.
How old is the M15 prototype now?

As mentioned in the other thread, even a headlight/nose restyle for this 'relaunch' would at least give the impression of trying to drag it into the modern day somewhat.

waremark

3,241 posts

212 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Lee Noble left Ascari to set up his own company (so he said at the time) because Ascari was moving upmarket to a price level where he would have to compete with established supercar brands. Noble thought there was a more viable market competing at the TVR level, and he made it work with the M12.

I was mystified that the investors who came into the company thought it would be worth using his brand for a car in a completely different and much more expensive market sector. They might as well have started from scratch. But in my view the reason so few were sold is two-fold. On the whole enthusiasts for analog cars are not excited by extreme performance (people buy Paganis for the jewel-like aspect, not the performance) and the Noble did not look gorgeous.

I am disappointed that Noble's two attempts to go back into the sector where he succeeded before, after being thrown out of the company he had founded, have both foundered - first Fenix and more recently Arrinera. I cannot remember reading anything about him for the last few years.

Super Veloce must have customers who can buy this car if they want to - they sell Koenigseggs - so it will be interesting to see if they sell any more M600's. And how the performance of the new TVR company who will be selling analog fast cars for under £100k compares.

ruttboy

595 posts

225 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Just to be clear, we at Super Veloce Racing do not sell Koenigseggs.
Our friends at SuperVettura in Sunningdale do, and they are on here as well.

We are a Lamborghini specialist who become accredited with the Noble Brand and are set up as the sole European Dealer for the M600.

However, if you want a Koenigsegg, we know the people to talk to...........

Alan.

waremark

3,241 posts

212 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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ruttboy said:
Just to be clear, we at Super Veloce Racing do not sell Koenigseggs.
Our friends at SuperVettura in Sunningdale do, and they are on here as well.

We are a Lamborghini specialist who become accredited with the Noble Brand and are set up as the sole European Dealer for the M600.

However, if you want a Koenigsegg, we know the people to talk to...........

Alan.
Sorry, my mistake, thanks for clarifying.

Boshly

2,776 posts

235 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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firebird350 said:
I always thought the M15 was the Noble which should have truly established the brand. I certainly prefer its looks to anything else Noble have done. Ok, it still had the Ford V6 with twin turbos but edged its predecessor with a North-South engine location and a bespoke gearbox. It was also said to be more habitable day-to-day and less track-focussed than the M400, so a touch of everyday civility stood it in good stead without compromising performance.

After all, figures claimed were 0-60 in 3.5 secs and around 185 MPH all out. Plus it was priced around £75K (ok, that was back in 2006) which kind of pitched it around base 911 territory. Not reasonable?





Missed this post previously confused but I Agree, if achievable this would have been a great offering.

Boshly

2,776 posts

235 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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ruttboy said:
Hi All,

Just thought I would make an appearance having read this thread with great interest.

I am the Aftersales Manager at Super Veloce Racing, the new sole dealer for the Noble M600.
Amongst my many tasks is on line marketing on Facebook and Instagram, so to see all your comments regarding media exposure and marketing is interesting, seeing as we are responsible for pushing the newly revised Noble M600 forward.

All of your points are valid, and I am happy to answer any questions to the best of my ability regarding Noble and the M600.

But what I will say is this......both my Sales Manager and I have a very long history at the very top of the Supercar world, and we have never driven a car like this before. It is crazy fast, beautifully built, extremely comfortable, has exceptional handling and just delivers so much more driving experience than anything mainstream, and I think we are qualified to say that.

Your issues are valid and your thoughts welcome, and I can assure you that many of your ideas are being tackled as we speak, with bespoke development of this car ongoing.
We know this because we bought one, and our car is unique to us.

There is plenty yet to come from this great car and this Great British car company, and if you want a closer look, any of you are more than welcome to come and have a coffee with us and inspect our demonstrator.

Please feel free to ask anything you like and I'll do my best to answer you.

Alan.
Hi Alan

Good of you to post though I appreciate its your professional duty to do so smile

Can I ask who your target market is and how many cars you are targeted or expct to sell per annum?

Appreciate if you don't want to/can't answer.

Cheers

Boshly

2,776 posts

235 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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sjc said:
Now how about that chaps?
SVR, PH meet at your place for the naysayers then eh?
Your not doing yourself or the marque any favours.


sjc

13,883 posts

269 months

Sunday 14th August 2016
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Boshly said:
sjc said:
Now how about that chaps?
SVR, PH meet at your place for the naysayers then eh?
Your not doing yourself or the marque any favours.
Boshly, that's a bit deep... I'm not sure what you read in to that but hey ho.
I've just made a comment that SVR have given a great chance for those that have a negative perception or doubts (hence "naysayer") of the car to have their opinion (hopefully) changed. It's great that they've made the offer of a close up view with a coffee.
I've enjoyed debating the car with you,so let's just agree to disagree on how we view it?

swisstoni

16,850 posts

278 months

Sunday 14th August 2016
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When the Noble M12 came out I thought it was the beginning of an important marque.
But subsequent cars have been like a difficult second album. The 600 is a sort of double concept album nobody really wants to fork out for.

ruttboy

595 posts

225 months

Thursday 18th August 2016
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Hi Alan

Good of you to post though I appreciate its your professional duty to do so smile

Can I ask who your target market is and how many cars you are targeted or expct to sell per annum?

Appreciate if you don't want to/can't answer.

Cheers

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Hi Boshly,

Happy to come back on here and answer as much as I can.
And, no, it is not my professional duty, I am a well qualified lurker here and have been for years, and am happy and free to post so please do ask away, my views do not necessarily reflect those of my employer or Noble.

However, having said that, our target market is an interesting one.
The customers we have so far all have a long history of Supercar ownership, and are now ready for the challenge of the M600.
I love the latest from Lamborghini, McLaren, Ferrari, huge fan and always have been, but the M600 is just different.

Firstly, the level of tailoring to the car is way beyond anything I have previously experienced and can truly make the car unique at what is a reasonable price point, comparatively speaking.

Secondly, the performance of the car is such that even seasoned Supercar owners can't quite get their heads around it.
I have one client, who is a very dear friend, and I took the car to him for a 1/2 hour demonstration, even though he was reluctant and not overly keen. This guy has had cars that would sit in any dream garage, has a race licence, and knows what he is doing.....
2 hours later, after he had stopped laughing, he couldn't understand just how sorted, fast, comfortable, well built the M600 actually is. He stated that "I just must have one of these! You would never get bored!"
And that's the point, once you've tried it, you understood why it is at the price point it is, and what a leap forward it is against the stunning Nobles of old, you'll get it, as did he, and as does anyone who drives it.
That's why everyone who has bought one has kept it.

And with regards to targets, I'm not going to comment.
Not because I can't, but because we have the Speedster, the new Paddleshift option, and Salon Prive, Frankfurt and Geneva coming up and I don't want to jinx us, but they are selling, as shown in a previous post when someone questioned whether we actually had any stock available, or if we were just making it up.

But I meant what I said, I am happy to contact PH Management and start a thread for a breakfast meet, or you are more than welcome to come at any time and see for yourself.

The car is fantastic, and Noble should be celebrated for flying the flag of Great British Cars.

Cheers,

Alan.

Turquoise

1,457 posts

96 months

Thursday 18th August 2016
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Ruttboy, is there much scope in the engine for more power? Have the factory considered it? Have any customers asked for more power on their own cars?

ruttboy

595 posts

225 months

Friday 19th August 2016
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Turquoise said:
Ruttboy, is there much scope in the engine for more power? Have the factory considered it? Have any customers asked for more power on their own cars?
Good question, and one that I am going to answer in a way that won't get me into trouble........

The standard car as you buy it off the shelf produces 650 bhp.
However, you are talking about a Yamaha-Judd developed engine that is doing service in GP2 and has plenty more to come......some of which may be available through ECU upgrades, or may be coming in the near future.

There, I don't think I said anything that will get me into trouble?

On the point of the engine, I find it funny that everyone refers to it as the unit from the Volvo XC-90.
Has anyone ever driven a Volvo XC-90 with 650 bhp?
Yamaha developed the engine for various applications, as you would expect from an engine manufacturer, and it found its way into many cars, including the Volvo, who paid for the development and the durability testing of the unit that they needed for their car.
So it would make sense the for a small volume manufacturer to use that proven unit, available off the shelf from Yamaha, and then send it to Judd to turn it into a fire-breathing monster.
You would be amazed as how many car companies do this, but you don't get to hear about those engines.

But yes, in answer to your question, there is plenty more to come from this car, this engine and this Great British brand.

Regards,

Alan.

bernhund

3,767 posts

192 months

Friday 19th August 2016
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ruttboy said:
Turquoise said:
Ruttboy, is there much scope in the engine for more power? Have the factory considered it? Have any customers asked for more power on their own cars?
Good question, and one that I am going to answer in a way that won't get me into trouble........

The standard car as you buy it off the shelf produces 650 bhp.
However, you are talking about a Yamaha-Judd developed engine that is doing service in GP2 and has plenty more to come......some of which may be available through ECU upgrades, or may be coming in the near future.

There, I don't think I said anything that will get me into trouble?

On the point of the engine, I find it funny that everyone refers to it as the unit from the Volvo XC-90.
Has anyone ever driven a Volvo XC-90 with 650 bhp?
Yamaha developed the engine for various applications, as you would expect from an engine manufacturer, and it found its way into many cars, including the Volvo, who paid for the development and the durability testing of the unit that they needed for their car.
So it would make sense the for a small volume manufacturer to use that proven unit, available off the shelf from Yamaha, and then send it to Judd to turn it into a fire-breathing monster.
You would be amazed as how many car companies do this, but you don't get to hear about those engines.

But yes, in answer to your question, there is plenty more to come from this car, this engine and this Great British brand.

Regards,

Alan.
Same story with our Mondeo powered M12s!

majordad

3,600 posts

196 months

Friday 19th August 2016
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I think I might like a Nobel.

Impasse

15,099 posts

240 months

Saturday 20th August 2016
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ruttboy said:
I shall try to organise a PH SS on our premises at some point in the near future.
eek

Good plan! clapbeer

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Boshly

2,776 posts

235 months

Saturday 20th August 2016
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ruttboy said:
Boshly said:
Hi Alan

Good of you to post though I appreciate its your professional duty to do so smile

Can I ask who your target market is and how many cars you are targeted or expct to sell per annum?

Appreciate if you don't want to/can't answer.

Cheers
Hi Boshly,

Happy to come back on here and answer as much as I can.
And, no, it is not my professional duty, I am a well qualified lurker here and have been for years, and am happy and free to post so please do ask away, my views do not necessarily reflect those of my employer or Noble.
rutboy said:
Amongst my many tasks is on line marketing on Facebook and Instagram,
Sorry Wasn't trying to be funny or clever just my interpretation of what you posted.

Good luck with the sales I hope it works for you all. I've always said I'm sure the car drives really well (as has been stated a few times) but there's more to a car than just driving dynamics, IMHO anyway. We'd all be driving Caterhams if that were the case.

Are you able to tell us how many cars have been sold to customers?

xRIEx

8,180 posts

147 months

Saturday 20th August 2016
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majordad said:
I think I might like a Nobel.
For Peace? Physics?

PGNSagaris

2,926 posts

165 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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It is not selling because it does not look like a £300k car.

Also, the interior leaves a lot to be desired.




Hats off to SVR if they can get the car selling.

majordad

3,600 posts

196 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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Sorry, lesson learned, Noble !

Re the comment above that sure does not look like a 300k car at all, however the Nobles that I fancy are the older cheaper ones.