RE: Noble M600 reborn and revisited

[IAJO]

Europa1 said:

cypriot said:

Europa1 said:

Where are you getting the £200k price tag from?

From SVR's website. The m600 starts at £206k (excluding VAT).

Strewth! Yet the article says they have an ex-demo car for sale at £296k - the options prices must be quite spicy!

£247,200.00 base price with Vat. £40k in options probably not unusual in this segment.

[Just an old porsche fan]

I would have this over a Ferrari or a McLaren. Lots of power and a 6 speed manual. Perfect

[SturdyHSV]

Fetchez la vache said:

cypriot said:

This car is essentially the Pagani of the UK.

This in bucketloads.

You're probably right, so do the relative success just boil down to looks and having a huge NA V12?

I mean, the Noble M12 was released in 2000 with a Mondeo V6 and looking... a bit odd. The Zonda C12 was released around the same time looking stunning with a Mercedes V12.

Look who can now charge millions for their cars...

[xjay1337]

I love the M600.

I'd buy one if I could! But I do think it is 40-50k overpriced. However we don't know the cost price of it, etc.
Small independent companies do not have the machinery and mass production of that Ferrari do with a 458 (and yes, 458 is mass produced).

[markcoznottz]

SturdyHSV said:

Fetchez la vache said:

cypriot said:

This car is essentially the Pagani of the UK.

This in bucketloads.

You're probably right, so do the relative success just boil down to looks and having a huge NA V12?

I mean, the Noble M12 was released in 2000 with a Mondeo V6 and looking... a bit odd. The Zonda C12 was released around the same time looking stunning with a Mercedes V12.

Look who can now charge millions for their cars...

Exactly, and a used mclaren 12c is how much? And probably faster in real world conditions backed with multi million £££ investment.

[toppstuff]

A truly lovely car.

I have seen a few up close and they are beautifully made and the detailing is lovely.

I don't have a problem with the price.

But the marketing of them has been woeful. Truly awful. They have to raise their game and get the car out there.

[FN2TypeR]

TheOversteerLever said:

Good luck to them. I think the car at the top of an article looks great

Would love to drive one!

Bronze/brown? That looks superb IMO. I'm not sure if I could see past a a McLaren if I were in the enviable position of being able to afford such a motor though.

[Impasse]

I read somewhere that the break even point is about ten cars per year. So there's a respectable margin in the RRP despite the frothing a few posts above. I wonder if a lower price point would generate more sales, but then, are they geared up to increase the production volumes and do they wish to enter that end of the market place?
The more achievable price spectrum of whizzy cars brings a different sort of customer who are not always accepting of a low volume manufacturer's foibles.

[daveco]

Just an old porsche fan said:

I would have this over a Ferrari or a McLaren. Lots of power and a 6 speed manual. Perfect

+1

They need to market this car more or get someone famous to buy it and show it off.

If Shmee etc are reading this, you know what to do

[Ozzie Osmond]

The whole history is astounding. I started a thread on the tricky "have they sold any" issue way back in April 2013.

Sadly, it seems, another example of a car with lots of internet enthusiasm and a distinct lack of customers.

Spend £250k on one? You've gotta be kidding.

[markcoznottz]

toppstuff said:

A truly lovely car.

I have seen a few up close and they are beautifully made and the detailing is lovely.

I don't have a problem with the price.

But the marketing of them has been woeful. Truly awful. They have to raise their game and get the car out there.

Yes and who on earth in thier PR department (probably didn't have one), let the rumour persist that it was a ''volvo' engine? A more unsporting or innapropriate association you couldn't make up.

[saxy]

The noble was always gonna be a tough sell. Not only it lacks driver aids and stuff. Most supercar buyers are posers. A brand that nobody knows is worthless to many people, especially girls. Unless they build something truly out of this world performance, it's not going to sell well

[cypriot]

markcoznottz said:

SturdyHSV said:

Fetchez la vache said:

cypriot said:

This car is essentially the Pagani of the UK.

This in bucketloads.

You're probably right, so do the relative success just boil down to looks and having a huge NA V12?

I mean, the Noble M12 was released in 2000 with a Mondeo V6 and looking... a bit odd. The Zonda C12 was released around the same time looking stunning with a Mercedes V12.

Look who can now charge millions for their cars...

Exactly, and a used mclaren 12c is how much? And probably faster in real world conditions backed with multi million £££ investment.

And what does that multi million dollar investment get you? Not much really as the 12c is notoriously unreliable, so not much benefit over a small volume manufacturer. Plus they were a depreciation monster. But they are totally different animals. Nobles shouldnt be compared to ferraris, mclarens, porsches. They need to be positioned against other ultra low volume marques for their list price to be put into perspective.

[PGNSagaris]

Pricing is proper hilarious.

A shame. They deserve to be bought but their PR/pricing/manufacturing departments must have chinese walls

[Ozzie Osmond]

saxy said:

Most supercar buyers are posers. A brand that nobody knows is worthless to many people, especially girls.

Sorry buddy, that's the same excuse made very time a car doesn't cut the mustard. Makes you wonder how McLaren has managed to rise from a standing start to become one of the world's leading supercar builders. Get the product/price right and customers will come.

Noble started out at a time when the name "Noble" was closely associated in the public's mind with Richard Noble, then world speed record holder (irrespective of the fact there was no actual connection) and this undoubtedly helped get things started. Since then they've lost their way - someone said losing money on every M400 sold. It was very high risk to try to solve that problem by launching a grossly expensive car which none of their existing customers would be able to afford.

[xRIEx]

saxy said:

The noble was always gonna be a tough sell. Not only it lacks driver aids and stuff. Most supercar buyers are posers.

I agree, I think I posted something similar on the last thread about this - posers want a car that will flatter their lack of talent, not embarrass them when they smash through a bus stop.

[markcoznottz]

cypriot said:

markcoznottz said:

SturdyHSV said:

Fetchez la vache said:

cypriot said:

This car is essentially the Pagani of the UK.

This in bucketloads.

You're probably right, so do the relative success just boil down to looks and having a huge NA V12?

I mean, the Noble M12 was released in 2000 with a Mondeo V6 and looking... a bit odd. The Zonda C12 was released around the same time looking stunning with a Mercedes V12.

Look who can now charge millions for their cars...

Exactly, and a used mclaren 12c is how much? And probably faster in real world conditions backed with multi million £££ investment.

And what does that multi million dollar investment get you? Not much really as the 12c is notoriously unreliable, so not much benefit over a small volume manufacturer. Plus they were a depreciation monster. But they are totally different animals. Nobles shouldnt be compared to ferraris, mclarens, porsches. They need to be positioned against other ultra low volume marques for their list price to be put into perspective.

Five years too late. The entry level Ferrari has 660 brake now, so where does that leave the noble? It's ugly (imho), very old tech, so won't appeal to all, and to be fair, not that interesting.

[anonymous-user]

If you are willing to put up with dodgy looks, questionable interior fit and finish and next to no "mainstream" pedigree or prestige in the pursuit of a hardcore analogue racer for the road, why you'd buy these over something like an Ultima GTR?

In fact, with muti map ECU modes, twin turbos strapped its V8 and relatively heavy kerb weight of 1,200kg given its carbon body and sparse interior, the noble doesn't seem all that 'pure' when you think about it?

Edited by 279 on Thursday 4th August 15:46

[SturdyHSV]

cypriot said:

markcoznottz said:

SturdyHSV said:

Fetchez la vache said:

cypriot said:

This car is essentially the Pagani of the UK.

This in bucketloads.

You're probably right, so do the relative success just boil down to looks and having a huge NA V12?

I mean, the Noble M12 was released in 2000 with a Mondeo V6 and looking... a bit odd. The Zonda C12 was released around the same time looking stunning with a Mercedes V12.

Look who can now charge millions for their cars...

Exactly, and a used mclaren 12c is how much? And probably faster in real world conditions backed with multi million £££ investment.

And what does that multi million dollar investment get you? Not much really as the 12c is notoriously unreliable, so not much benefit over a small volume manufacturer. Plus they were a depreciation monster. But they are totally different animals. Nobles shouldnt be compared to ferraris, mclarens, porsches. They need to be positioned against other ultra low volume marques for their list price to be put into perspective.

So a marque like Pagani perhaps?

[macky17]

Just an old porsche fan said:

I would have this over a Ferrari or a McLaren. Lots of power and a 6 speed manual. Perfect

+2

Yes, this is not a poser's car, it's a petrolhead car; for people who can drive or who are at least interested in and enthusiastic about driving. It's expensive but then IMO it has modern classic written all over it - in 10 years it'll be changing hands for more than this. Think F40 or XJ220 - only much faster.