RE: Noble M600 reborn and revisited
Discussion
279 said:
If you are willing to put up with dodgy looks, questionable interior fit and finish and next to no "mainstream" pedigree or prestige in the pursuit of a hardcore analogue racer for the road, why you'd buy these over something like an Ultima GTR?
This in Spades, look at it this way how many 458, 570s and all the rest have been sold in this price bracket to people on this forum (ideal target market for the Noble, not just the social media lovies) and yet the noble has prbably only sold in double figures, the lack of marketing and the fact it doesnt seem to have moved on in four years is doing them no favours.An English Pagani they are not.
The bronze car is actually the new spyder version.
More pics here. Look at this and tell me you don't want it...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
More pics here. Look at this and tell me you don't want it...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
markcoznottz said:
Yes and who on earth in thier PR department (probably didn't have one), let the rumour persist that it was a ''volvo' engine? A more unsporting or innapropriate association you couldn't make up.
They're certainly keen to dispel that at SVR. The mere mention of the Judd name had me swooning; Noble (or Yamaha) are savvy in that respect - get Volvo to commission it and pay for all the expensive stuff, then take the basic block and create something rather more powerful. Now Volvo's all four-pot, can't imagine the hit they took on this relatively short-lived engine...
I always thought the M15 was the Noble which should have truly established the brand. I certainly prefer its looks to anything else Noble have done. Ok, it still had the Ford V6 with twin turbos but edged its predecessor with a North-South engine location and a bespoke gearbox. It was also said to be more habitable day-to-day and less track-focussed than the M400, so a touch of everyday civility stood it in good stead without compromising performance.
After all, figures claimed were 0-60 in 3.5 secs and around 185 MPH all out. Plus it was priced around £75K (ok, that was back in 2006) which kind of pitched it around base 911 territory. Not reasonable?
After all, figures claimed were 0-60 in 3.5 secs and around 185 MPH all out. Plus it was priced around £75K (ok, that was back in 2006) which kind of pitched it around base 911 territory. Not reasonable?
cypriot said:
I think this is a great car, and at 200k its actually a bargain. This car is essentially the Pagani of the UK. When you consider this is car has a full carbon fibre body, totally customisable interior, is built by hand and goes like stink,
Not quite, the noble has carbon fibre body panels only (albeit seemingly very well finished ones). it's still a steel spaceframe chassis. Rather different from Pagani. Old school Noble for me. Though I like the M600 and would love to think that given the money I'd buy one, I think in reality I'd find it very difficult to part with that sort of money! This is a car for the super rich who will have a dozen supercars, not someone who sells their house to buy one.
There are guys out there with 600-700bhp M12s for a fraction of the cost. They won't have the aero dynamics to break 200mph, but will be just as quick in the real world. That'd do me. The giant slaying plastic car built in a shed, with all its foibles!
There are guys out there with 600-700bhp M12s for a fraction of the cost. They won't have the aero dynamics to break 200mph, but will be just as quick in the real world. That'd do me. The giant slaying plastic car built in a shed, with all its foibles!
markcoznottz said:
Five years too late. The entry level Ferrari has 660 brake now, so where does that leave the noble? It's ugly (imho), very old tech, so won't appeal to all, and to be fair, not that interesting.
This is what I think the problem is.Looking at the specs and when it was originally launched it seems it was conceived to give the F430 segment a bloody nose - Its a full 2 second quicker to 100 than a 430 and that might have been enough to justify the extra cost to some. Then the 458 dropped, shattering what could be expected for a 'entry level' supercar in terms of performance, making the M600 seem a little bit irreverent; The mainstream brands can produce cars with M600 matching/beating levels of performance, for less money, with better fit and finish, and can be driven with one hand allowing the owner to take selfies whilst driving. Plus looks/style/prestige.
I don't think Noble expected the market to move so quickly in terms of performance.
Edited by 279 on Thursday 4th August 20:01
Turquoise said:
Has one of these ever been to VMAX?
Yes it was pretty quick but a lightly tuned manual 9e 997 turbo pipped it - according to owner his Noble Carbon Edition was running 700bhp. I liked it but would struggle to part with £200k for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5_TImlEykE
Last year i had the opportunity to try the orange M600.
Needless to say it was an absolute blast !
Why would i want this car more than most McLarens ? Exclusivity? Maybe ... but with the idea of taming a 650 hp car without ABS and only some kind of traction control seems very appealing to me.
People preferring a Playstation-like McLaren or 488 , 911 Turbo are actually looking for a very fast car they can drive without having to work hard and in 'all' safety ... then putting 5K miles on it every year ?????
What i actually want to say is this car is in a completely different league than any other supercar, it might not be the ideal everyday car, but i don't need an every day car i don't take out when it rains anyway ....
Needless to say it was an absolute blast !
Why would i want this car more than most McLarens ? Exclusivity? Maybe ... but with the idea of taming a 650 hp car without ABS and only some kind of traction control seems very appealing to me.
People preferring a Playstation-like McLaren or 488 , 911 Turbo are actually looking for a very fast car they can drive without having to work hard and in 'all' safety ... then putting 5K miles on it every year ?????
What i actually want to say is this car is in a completely different league than any other supercar, it might not be the ideal everyday car, but i don't need an every day car i don't take out when it rains anyway ....
bimbeano said:
toppstuff said:
The Noble is really something people into classic cars may buy if they wanted something new. It appeals to a completely different set of priorities.
Yep ! Spot on !!! bimbeano said:
Last year i had the opportunity to try the orange M600.
Needless to say it was an absolute blast !
Why would i want this car more than most McLarens ? Exclusivity? Maybe ... but with the idea of taming a 650 hp car without ABS and only some kind of traction control seems very appealing to me.
People preferring a Playstation-like McLaren or 488 , 911 Turbo are actually looking for a very fast car they can drive without having to work hard and in 'all' safety ... then putting 5K miles on it every year ?????
What i actually want to say is this car is in a completely different league than any other supercar, it might not be the ideal everyday car, but i don't need an every day car i don't take out when it rains anyway ....
Have you ever switched TC off and tried driving a 911 turbo (997) around a track in anger? Trust me its much more physical than you think and not playstation like. I'd take a 458 for that sort of money everytimeNeedless to say it was an absolute blast !
Why would i want this car more than most McLarens ? Exclusivity? Maybe ... but with the idea of taming a 650 hp car without ABS and only some kind of traction control seems very appealing to me.
People preferring a Playstation-like McLaren or 488 , 911 Turbo are actually looking for a very fast car they can drive without having to work hard and in 'all' safety ... then putting 5K miles on it every year ?????
What i actually want to say is this car is in a completely different league than any other supercar, it might not be the ideal everyday car, but i don't need an every day car i don't take out when it rains anyway ....
Not very many mentions about the history of Noble and it appears most saying it's worth close to 300k haven't a clue either. As has been mentioned once, this is based on the M15 and was supposed to be around the 75k mark because Lee Noble wanted to produce cars that handled well but at a reasonable price which was why the M12 was the giant slayer of the day and the M15 was its successor. Unfortunately, Lee was thrown out of his own company(I heard)and this M600 is what the current owners have produced since then, which imho, is not very much! Lee was the guy who made the cars handle well so you can imagine why there hasn't been much in the way of development since he left.
Besides all this, as a few have mentioned, the design is old, the tech is old and the advertising spiel about being 'unique' is just another way of saying they haven't kept up. Having a few carbon panels on it doesn't justify the price tag. If struggle at 100k given the age of the car
Besides all this, as a few have mentioned, the design is old, the tech is old and the advertising spiel about being 'unique' is just another way of saying they haven't kept up. Having a few carbon panels on it doesn't justify the price tag. If struggle at 100k given the age of the car
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