RE: 2017MY Range Rover updates

[oldtimer2]

daveco said:

Quick question: would the Range Rover be top of the pile competition wise when it comes to current engine and body tech?

I read on Bloomberg that Jag's jeep is absolutely obliterating the competition in the US.

FCA have done a great job marketing the Jeep line in all its variants, which is just as well as their car sales are in decline. They sell Jeeps into a different segment (by price point) of the market compared with the Range Rover.

Re body technology, JLR has been the industry pioneer in its use of aluminium on a significant scale. Its big benefit is weight saving. Ford took that technology (and some key people) with them after selling JLR to Tata and adopted it for the replacemnt F-150 pick up. Ford used it in a body on frame configuration compared with JLR's unibody approach. Ford must have been confident because the F-150 was their, and the USA's, biggest selling single model. The new model is again on top of the sales heap (c750,000 units a year). The weight saving has enabled Ford to offer better payload capacity and fuel economy when under lighter loads than the competition. I have read that GM and others are now looking at the use of aluminium is response. So to answer your question: Yes JLR is at the top of the pile on body technology.

[oldtimer2]

skyrover said:

Because diesel is a horrible polluting fuel?

Because the political class, having been persuaded that diesel was a good idea to replace petrol in orderr to reduce CO2 emissions and pushed diesel sales by tax breaks, have now cottoned on to the fact that diesels emit NOX and that VW, in particular, fiddled its test results. The bluetec treatment appears to remove much of the NOX pollutant emitted by diesels. But that seems unlikely to save the diesel engine (or at least the pre bluetec versions) from some form of punitive or discriminatory action by the politicians.

[aeropilot]

Jimmy Recard said:

oldtimer2 said:

Although unlikely to be of much interest here, the reported changes to the tow assist function look to be genuinely useful for those challenged when reversing their horse box/caravan/boat on trailer. No doubt it will appear on other JLR products that target those that need or want to tow trailers; it looks like a market leading feature.

I assume the addition of the V6 petrol is as a hedge against the possible punitive taxation/regulation of diesels.

I would think so - if/when the restrictions come, Land Rover will be ready. I'm pretty sure that most competitors are diesel only apart from the big V8s (as was the Range Rover until now)

I'm hoping BMW do the same with the next gen X3 when it goes on sale at the end of next year (and X5 the year after that)
It's not as if they don't make them with the 6-cyl petrol turbo's, as that what they sell the majority of them in the USA with....they just don't sell them in the UK.
Hopefully that will change.....although too late for me to buy one, so I'll be forced down the diesel route at the end of the year if I buy a X5.
Would love a Rangy, but too expensive.

[David87]

Jonny TVR said:

It looks the same on the outside ... what are the visual updates?

This is just a model year update rather than a proper facelift, so don't think there are really any to speak of. I imagine the 18MY update next year is when it'll be facelifted and get LED headlamps etc.

[Clivey]

I would love to see manufacturers return to producing petrol-engined versions of the cars that in recent years have been diesel only in the UK.

Unfortunately, I very much doubt that it'll herald a return of naturally-aspirated 6 and 8 cylinder engines, though! Turbos and hybrids just aren't the same (though for me, diesel's not a problem in a 4x4)!

[JNR77]

Don't dismiss the petrol Rangy

Pal of mine purchased a six month old petrol supercharged FFRR for much less than the comparable spec and age 4.4 Diesel.

Round town it only does 3-4 mpg less than the 4.4 Diesel and sounds awesome!

Doing the maths he reckoned there was nothing in it.

[dotgillingham]

Lovely things. I want one and to hell with being conspicuous.

[Jonny TVR]

JNR77 said:

Don't dismiss the petrol Rangy

Pal of mine purchased a six month old petrol supercharged FFRR for much less than the comparable spec and age 4.4 Diesel.

Round town it only does 3-4 mpg less than the 4.4 Diesel and sounds awesome!

Doing the maths he reckoned there was nothing in it.

I was thinking of doing that but there weren't many for sale at the time. Plus diesel probably easier to move on when the time comes

[Nickbrapp]

Still no LED headlamp option?

[David87]

Nickbrapp said:

Still no LED headlamp option?

Buy an Evoque.

I imagine they'll be part of next year's facelifted model.

[audidoody]

skyrover said:

Because diesel is a horrible polluting fuel?

Wash your mouth out (with Aqueous Urea Solution)!

DOn't you know that Gordon Brown said diesels were SO good for us and the planet that he gave us tax incentives to buy diesel cars.

And Gordon Brown was NEVER wrong.

[MrDudwee]

Porsche do discounts. 8.5% off my last 991 GTS and 9.5% of my wife's recent Cayenne. Both very well specced cars, so that does give the OPC some more room for manoeuvre but achievable all the same.

I've achieved similar off a RRS in the past. So I would suggest LR can discount, or at least have in the past.

[wildcat45]

Alex P said:

At last! Perhaps with the relative success of the petrol XE at the affordable end of the XE range, JLR UK are finally realising there is a market for a petrol engine at the affordable (big selling) end of each of its model ranges! The supercharged engine has been available in many markets from launch in this, the RR Sport and Discovery/LR4. Many markets also get the 2.0 ecoboost across the entire range (not just in Dynamic) in the Discovery Sport and Evoque.

With the market/public perception beginning to move away from diesel + the development of petrol/electric hybrid power trains + the new range of Ingenium 4 cylinder and straight six petrol engines due in the future, perhaps JLR are paving the way for developing the 'affordable' petrol market again?

Also, if you live in cities, diesel really is not the best option for the health of your fellow citizens, or for the long term reliability of your vehicle, given the issues that have occurred with DPF regeneration etc.

I am just waiting for a 2.0 turbo Ingenium petrol XF to be launched as a family car (ideally an estate which is due next year) as a reason to buy a British built car again. The new XF is currently available with the Ford ecoboost 2.0 in other markets, just not in the UK. I just hope Jaguar UK actually offer a the new 2.0 Ingenium petrol in it when it is launched!

I hope you're rught. JLR refused to sell me a petrol Discovery Sport, making up
some really silly excuses, yet they build RHD petrol models. A few have now leaked out onto the UK used market.

My Discovery Sport will be a year old next month. It will have done about 5,000 miles in that time. The Ingenium 2.0 diesel is a good engine but I don't need a diesel.

[gazzarose]

I never understood the British manufactures unwillingness to sell some models/specs in its home countries. The maps, Germans and yanks all seem to keep the most interesting versions for themselves, but JLR always seem to busy all the bare minimum here. Things like 4wd Xfs not available in RHD and diesel only Disco Sport as above. They even seem to discourage the interesting models that we do get, I know someone that that won the lottery, went into buy a FFRR SC and was railroaded into but a diesel because there was no stock of petrols and to build one was a couple of months. Especially in premium products I don't get the insistent 'saving' of a couple of quid in fuel when other costs are already massive. As above we've all been blackmailed into diesels by tax and politics. Nice to see someone bucking the trend.

[Davey S2]

dotgillingham said:

Lovely things. I want one and to hell with being conspicuous.

Given the number you see on the road I don't think driving a RR is conspicuous. They're everywhere.

[hadaporsche]

Carwow say they can get unto 7K discount on full fat RR. My view is JLR hide any supply channel discounts from individual customers in bulk deals, this protects perception of their residuals.

[Chr1sch]

I still can't get over how many there are being sold given their price - there must be a lot more wealth out there than i realised!

[bluemason]

Clivey said:

I completely agree, except that quad exhausts need to suit the car. - They look fine on some...just not the Range Rover IMO.

These look much, much better...



...but I suppose subtle and tasteful isn't what the masses aspire to nowadays!

What a beautiful spec, and it will age well.
The current one is a fine thing to look at, but it lacks the same character.