RE: Bentley Mulsanne: You Know You Want To
Discussion
If I had the funds (and the space!) I so would! As already stated elsewhere, you could by XYZ brand new, also stated elsewhere depreciation on a [b]brand new car[b] (special limited addition Porsche's aside) is the biggest hit financially and as everyone knows that hit gets bigger with luxury cars (strangely, the new RRS seems to be stubbornly holding its value 
) but a 3 year old S class bleeds less cash that a brand new one, simples.
However, when an S Class goes past do you stop and wonder who's driving it? Exactly. As lovely as it is, it is a mass produced car that you plenty of.
This (IMHO) however, doesn't raise an eyebrow of derision as it's parked up at the InterContinental Carlton Cannes. The same can't be said of one's S Class, 7 series or A8.
Call it snobbery if you must but this car isn't aimed at the masses.
) but a 3 year old S class bleeds less cash that a brand new one, simples.However, when an S Class goes past do you stop and wonder who's driving it? Exactly. As lovely as it is, it is a mass produced car that you plenty of.
This (IMHO) however, doesn't raise an eyebrow of derision as it's parked up at the InterContinental Carlton Cannes. The same can't be said of one's S Class, 7 series or A8.
Call it snobbery if you must but this car isn't aimed at the masses.
Zad said:
Er, did they employ the main stylist from Mitsuoka for this one or something?
The ones that make Jag knock offs based on Micras ?Er, dont think so, that is not a "pretty" front end but it has presence and gravitas in spades, regal, imposing, menacing even, separate and distinct, could only be a Bentley, every inch a modern evolution of how Bentley front ends looked in the past, magnificent.
stephen300o said:
No thanks, bling up a sofa and shove it in an aircraft carrier, the Bentley way... Christ what sort of nitwit has an ego so fragile they need this flagship cock wagon to tool about in.
I think you'll find that the reason most Bentleys are sold in grey is because their owners simply want to buy a nice car and want it as subtle as possible. They aren't bought as 'flagship cock wagons'.I'd love to drive a Mulsanne simply because it is a lovely place to be. It's the people who view it as a 'cock wagon' that put me off buying one.
At what value does a car become a 'flagship cock wagon' would you say? :-/
Something like this with a £10k fighting fund would appeal more to me.
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stephen300o said:
No thanks, bling up a sofa and shove it in an aircraft carrier, the Bentley way... Christ what sort of nitwit has an ego so fragile they need this flagship cock wagon to tool about in.
What a ridiculous and naive comment from someone who just doesn't understand these cars.wilwak said:
I bought a one year old 2000 mile Flying Spur instead. The Mulsanne is a lovely car but the Spur is a bit more usable day to day. 4WD and a top speed of 202mph swayed me to the Spur. Feels more sporty and modern. Cost me half the list price.
I do keep looking at the Mulsanne though. It wafts....
Very nice too.I do keep looking at the Mulsanne though. It wafts....
As my leader says. 'The Spur is for driving, but the Mulsanne is for arriving!'
rare6499 said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Not even with your money.
Seriously. These are just money pits that "ordinary" people wont touch. Who actually would buy it is mildly interesting, but if I ever see one, all it tells me is there's someone with more money than sense nearby.
Plenty of alternatives that wont bankrupt you. Take your pick of endless supply from the usual suspects (MB, Audi, BMW, Lexus, etc).
What? You would rather spend 100k on a new Lexus, Audi or BMW and so on..?! Are you mad. They will instantly lose tens of thousands...you might as well buy the bentley as its done half of its depreciation already. None of them have the presence or prestige of the Bentley, and very few of them have an engine with the history and character of the 6.75L.Seriously. These are just money pits that "ordinary" people wont touch. Who actually would buy it is mildly interesting, but if I ever see one, all it tells me is there's someone with more money than sense nearby.
Plenty of alternatives that wont bankrupt you. Take your pick of endless supply from the usual suspects (MB, Audi, BMW, Lexus, etc).
Sorry, I just think you couldn't be more wrong!
Comparing new with second hand? I guess it depends on your starting point. If you started with 100K, or if you started with a new car. Because if you're comparing new vs new, then which one will have the bigger depreciation expense? No brainer; the Bentley will easily "win" that battle.
As for your question though, no, I would not rather spend 100k on a new car. I dont like new cars purely from the point of view of depreciation. I wouldnt buy this Bentley either, because its still got a long way to go in depreciation as well.
I'd rather get a second hand Lexus LS, to be honest, which is exactly what I have done, and for many years now.
Modificata said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Look at the JD Powers quality surveys. One of the brands I mentioned has won it something like 14 or 15 years in a row, and was even the 2007 world car of the year.
It wasn't this car though. I fear some people are putting this car on a pedestal, for reasons that aren't altogether clear.
I dont need to look at a JD Power survey. I've owned or driven all of the above and nothing compares to enjoying a drive of a Rolls or Bentley. I would say that the Continental and Flying Spur is less impressive but still great cars. Comparing to a Merc or the like is not a comparison.It wasn't this car though. I fear some people are putting this car on a pedestal, for reasons that aren't altogether clear.
However, the quality discussion isnt a debate. Lexus is the superior car.
big_rob_sydney said:
If you're not sure what ordinary people are, then maybe your perception is a little off. Therefore telling me someone else is sensible, is meaningless.
Come back to us when your "friend" has changed cars, and don't forget to tell us what the depreciation hit was. As for whether or not he has more money than me, I don't see what the relevance of that might be, but if you could be bothered (and I don't expect you would), searching on these pages might surprise you.
Hi lets start of with an apology the comment about money was a bit daft and I shouldnt have said it so sorry , I cant comment for my friend but but I have been lucky enough to own from new 4 BMW Mcars and whilst not quite Bentley levels over the time I owned each of them (approx 2 years) they lost around 50% of their invoice price but thats just the way expensive cars work and I knew this before I parted with cash and would assme people parting with even more money than me would know this , its just part of the cost of owning the car really Come back to us when your "friend" has changed cars, and don't forget to tell us what the depreciation hit was. As for whether or not he has more money than me, I don't see what the relevance of that might be, but if you could be bothered (and I don't expect you would), searching on these pages might surprise you.
I think its difficult to really appreciate this sort of car without actually experiencing one for a decent length of time. It is easy to look at the interior pictures and spec list from a Mulsanne and then compare it to a Big Lexus or Merc and think that they are comparable, but in reality the quality of materials, workmanship and design are on another planet in a Bentley or Rolls Royce.
279 said:
I think its difficult to really appreciate this sort of car without actually experiencing one for a decent length of time. It is easy to look at the interior pictures and spec list from a Mulsanne and then compare it to a Big Lexus or Merc and think that they are comparable, but in reality the quality of materials, workmanship and design are on another planet in a Bentley or Rolls Royce.
We hear it all the time, people moaning about the "soft touch plastics".Along the exact same line, I'd say that there's a lot more to a car than how soft the leather feels. I wont bore people to death with a spec sheet, but just point out that the question about quality has been asked year in year out in the US, and those consumers are among the most picky in the world when it comes to service and quality.
If you havent seen it, check out the JD Powers surveys. Not just the current one, but have a look at results from years past. You'll see how some Mercedes models have been actually quite poor, but almost the single biggest constant, is that the Lexus LS dominates. Even the most jaded would have to admit, competing with manufacturers from around the world using all manner of quality systems, to consistently win, is not a bad effort.
iphonedyou said:
stephen300o said:
No thanks, bling up a sofa and shove it in an aircraft carrier, the Bentley way... Christ what sort of nitwit has an ego so fragile they need this flagship cock wagon to tool about in.
This post says a lot about you - none of it good - and nothing about the Bentley.I do think there is an under estimation just how wealthy certain people are.
Spending £200,000 on a car is a drop in the ocean, my partners father works in security / protection or whatever the current term is, the chap went out and bought two Ghosts (wife and daughters) and one Phantom (for him) in one morning, to complement the Bentley / Lamborghini etc he already had. (for the drivers to use obviously...)
It's nothing to do with Ego / Showing off, it's quite simply they are so wealthy why consider anything but the best.
Spending £200,000 on a car is a drop in the ocean, my partners father works in security / protection or whatever the current term is, the chap went out and bought two Ghosts (wife and daughters) and one Phantom (for him) in one morning, to complement the Bentley / Lamborghini etc he already had. (for the drivers to use obviously...)
It's nothing to do with Ego / Showing off, it's quite simply they are so wealthy why consider anything but the best.
stephen300o said:
Christ what sort of nitwit has an ego so fragile they need this flagship cock wagon to tool about in.
At this price point one that buys a brand new Range Rover, various Porsche's & Merc's, Audi R8, Aston Martin to name a few & driving around Londons West End today the 'Fragile egoed Nitwits' we're out in force in their 'Cock wagona'I'm pretty sure there was a thread here about a used RR Phantom around the same money too!
Do you also have issues with those that buy a yacht or a second home for big money, or go out & dine in Michelin starred restaurants or use 7 star hotels in Dubai?
Personally I'm glad people will spend to buy these cars & all the other stuff I've mentioned.
It keeps me in gameful employment!
big_rob_sydney said:
We hear it all the time, people moaning about the "soft touch plastics".
Along the exact same line, I'd say that there's a lot more to a car than how soft the leather feels. I wont bore people to death with a spec sheet, but just point out that the question about quality has been asked year in year out in the US, and those consumers are among the most picky in the world when it comes to service and quality.
If you havent seen it, check out the JD Powers surveys. Not just the current one, but have a look at results from years past. You'll see how some Mercedes models have been actually quite poor, but almost the single biggest constant, is that the Lexus LS dominates. Even the most jaded would have to admit, competing with manufacturers from around the world using all manner of quality systems, to consistently win, is not a bad effort.
Why the tangential discussion about a Lexus? The article is about a Bentley.Along the exact same line, I'd say that there's a lot more to a car than how soft the leather feels. I wont bore people to death with a spec sheet, but just point out that the question about quality has been asked year in year out in the US, and those consumers are among the most picky in the world when it comes to service and quality.
If you havent seen it, check out the JD Powers surveys. Not just the current one, but have a look at results from years past. You'll see how some Mercedes models have been actually quite poor, but almost the single biggest constant, is that the Lexus LS dominates. Even the most jaded would have to admit, competing with manufacturers from around the world using all manner of quality systems, to consistently win, is not a bad effort.
big_rob_sydney said:
We hear it all the time, people moaning about the "soft touch plastics".
Along the exact same line, I'd say that there's a lot more to a car than how soft the leather feels. I wont bore people to death with a spec sheet, but just point out that the question about quality has been asked year in year out in the US, and those consumers are among the most picky in the world when it comes to service and quality.
If you havent seen it, check out the JD Powers surveys. Not just the current one, but have a look at results from years past. You'll see how some Mercedes models have been actually quite poor, but almost the single biggest constant, is that the Lexus LS dominates. Even the most jaded would have to admit, competing with manufacturers from around the world using all manner of quality systems, to consistently win, is not a bad effort.
And Subaru does quite well in the JD Power rankings, better than BMW but I'm under no illusions that the cabin quality of my NotImpreza rivals that of an M3! My dad used to own a Lexus LS and it was quite nice, but nowhere near his new S500 in cabin quality and general designAlong the exact same line, I'd say that there's a lot more to a car than how soft the leather feels. I wont bore people to death with a spec sheet, but just point out that the question about quality has been asked year in year out in the US, and those consumers are among the most picky in the world when it comes to service and quality.
If you havent seen it, check out the JD Powers surveys. Not just the current one, but have a look at results from years past. You'll see how some Mercedes models have been actually quite poor, but almost the single biggest constant, is that the Lexus LS dominates. Even the most jaded would have to admit, competing with manufacturers from around the world using all manner of quality systems, to consistently win, is not a bad effort.
stephen300o said:
No thanks, bling up a sofa and shove it in an aircraft carrier, the Bentley way... Christ what sort of nitwit has an ego so fragile they need this flagship cock wagon to tool about in.
There isn't a smiley available to convey my thoughts on that. Instead all i can say is, you clearly don't get it...no loss to the Bentley. Not sure how you can be a car fan and have that kind of attitude. Bizarre. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff