RE: Red Victor at it again!

[redvictor]

shakotan said:

Your point is irrelevant though, since the current holder of the quickest Road Legal car also bolts on slicks at the track, as well as making a host of other changes.

Slicks aren't road legal in any US state, so effectively that levels the playing field where this issue is concerned.

Exactly! Someone gets it at least..

[shakotan]

I think some posters are missing the point, its street legal in the eyes of the Official Drag Racing Body of the country relevant to the car.

This means the car has to be Registered, Insured, Road Safety Inspected (where required by Law) and relevant taxes relating to Road Use paid. It doesn't have to be Road Legal at the point of racing.

The cars are allowed to have minor alterations at track.

The Hot Rod Power Tour had drag racers drive their race cars between tracks, that's part of the rules. No way they'd drive them on the street on slicks, they switch to DoT approved tyres.

[redvictor]

Equus said:

Yes, I get this... but just because the rules say black is white, doesn't mean that it's so.

Some posters expect common sense to prevail...

Well, if we were racing your rules then fine. We are not, so your point is 100% irrelevant.
It's street legal when it races, and when it drives on the street. The MOT doesn't stop when i race.
This is possibly the stupidest argument since someone said "You know the world is flat don't you".
Give me a shout when you become the ruling body for this type of racing. I'll get my rope ready.

[redvictor]

Equus said:

Yes, I appreciate that.

I'm sure that you you appreciate that the vast majority of the UK motorsport fraternity looks upon drag racing as a pointless irrelevance, and a 'street legal' record that isn't as doubly so, but if that's the particular windmill you want to tilt at with your donkey, then good luck to you.

Yep, and that is their prerogative. Except it is. And recognised around the world too.
Except in your house apparently.
It is, and it's mine, and a lot of others choice too. You obviously know nothing about drag racing,or have never really looked at it properly to say that.
But whatever. Have a nice day.....
Not sure why you had to post here. Seems pretty stupid to me that you would post on a thread you had no interest in, just to stir st up, and make yourself look special.

[redvictor]

Equus said:

Your claim is the World's Fastest Street Legal Car (and if that were genuinely the case, then it would of some interest to me).

'The World's Fastest Drag Car in the Street Legal Category', I could happily accept, but that's not what you're claiming.

If you Google 'world's fastest street legal car', the results suggest that just about the only person thinking that Red Victor is the relevant answer, is you.

What's your actual, recorded Vmax, by the way? All I can find is reference to 220mph, which is not nearly as fast as a lot of other claimants? The Henessy Venom has recorded 270.49mph, I believe?

Or are you actually claiming quickest (ie. greatest acceleration), rather than fastest (top speed)?

It gives the game away when you see the title " Make the street legal record British" that i'm not claiming i have it now. It's currently Europe's quickest and fastest street legal car in the 1/4 mile. I held the world's fastest etc for 2 1/2 years until an American took it from us. Obviously if we didn't hold it he couldn't have taken it.
It's relevant to 1800 people on our closed 5 second club page, 3500 people on our public page, 8000 on our Red Victor page, 4900 on my own page. So not just me.
Obviously it's quickest, as in fastest accelerating, as that's what a 1/4 mile race entails. VMAX is 234mph so far, which is within a 1/4 mile from a standstill. It would go as fast as the bodywork allowed, but 4000 usable HP means it's going to go fast. We are aiming for 250mph from a standing start to the 1/4 mile traps. You take a guess.
Still not sure why you are posting, as you seem to think you know what i have, and i don't. Odd..

[redvictor]

Equus said:

OK. Thanks, that's a straight answer, at least, albeit buried in a lot of caveats and obfuscation.

Call us back when you beat the Hennessey's 270mph and the Veryron's 264mph... both in cars that can actually, practically be driven on the road.

I'll leave it now. Your medication has arrived.
Have a good evening.

[themanwithnoname]

Equus said:

Your claim is the World's Fastest Street Legal Car (and if that were genuinely the case, then it would of some interest to me).

'The World's Fastest Drag Car in the Street Legal Category', I could happily accept, but that's not what you're claiming.

If you Google 'world's fastest street legal car', the results suggest that just about the only person thinking that Red Victor is the relevant answer, is you.

What's your actual, recorded Vmax, by the way? All I can find is reference to 220mph, which is not nearly as fast as a lot of other claimants? The Henessy Venom has recorded 270.49mph, I believe?

Or are you actually claiming quickest (ie. greatest acceleration), rather than fastest (top speed)?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Or do you have a problem with the RV guys or the format of racing/running? As one of these options is clearly the case, I've no idea why you are continuing to try to derail and ruin what could be a very interesting thread.

It is plainly obvious that this is a record in relation to the fastest (quickest if you must) street legal car over the 1/4 mile.

I, along with the owners of the car, and, by the looks a good few others, understand that there is a difference between 'on the road' and 'on the track', neither of which has any bearing on the definition of 'street legal'

In the same way as if you go to a track day, you might take a set of wheels with used slicks, or a set of track day tyres which would be illegal/inadvisable to use on the road respectively... did this mean that your car was no longer a street car? No. It really is that simple.

RV will be geared for best possible acceleration and optimum vmax at the end of 1/4 mile, again not that hard to grasp. The Hennesey Venom needed 2 miles to get to 256mph, RV, as you mention will touch 220 in 1/4 mile.

Honestly, tell me which is faster for all practical purposes?

Oh, and a change of gearing, I've no doubts the car would run well over 300 given the right setup (aero?), I am sure the RV guys will be able to confirm one way or the other?

Apologies for the exasperated tone, but it really is this kind of thing that ruins what was once a great forum, pettiness and pickiness.

[552KR]

I get it, and am delighted to see Red Victor back on the strip & street! Good luck!

This link suggests a Veyron can 'only' manage a 10.17 second 1/4 mile
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motoringvideo/...

This link suggests the Hennessy Venom is faster than a Veyron with a 9.9 second 1/4 mile
http://fastestlaps.com/models/hennessey-venom-gt

Unfortunately the tyres used are not quoted, but I'm happy to believe they may have picked the best they could find for the job!!! Either way my money would be on RV over a 1/4 mile every time!!!

[HappyMidget]

Equus said:

OK. Thanks, that's a straight answer, at least, albeit buried in a lot of caveats and obfuscation.

Call us back when you beat the Hennessey's 270mph and the Veryron's 264mph... both in cars that can actually, practically be driven on the road.

Both cars that take very specific circumstances to be able to reach those speeds, namely a very long test track. See James May doing a high speed Run on the VAG test track with mile long straights in the Bug. On a setting that requires you to stop and change the aerodynamic mode of the car from normal street mode. At the end of the day, RV3 is a car that is legal to drive on the roads of Britain and any other country that accepts its street legal status due to being IVA'd, that can then also be raced on the drag strip to reach incredible speeds in one quarter of a mile. The standard for testing a cars ability to accelerate. I see you totally ignored my point earlier because it defeated your argument. My money is where my mouth is and I am supporting RV3 to gain back the record.

To go to Bahrain, there is a £15k refundable bond needing paid whilst the car is in the country (tax reasons), of which the members club have pledged the whole sum. There has also been a lot of money raised through the club, but a single season of drag racing is very expensive, yet Andy is currently the only Brit in his category of racing (that you seem to dismiss as irrelevant because you are narrow-minded) that has a clear chance of winning back the world record for this country.

At the end of the day horse, you do not have the balls to put your life's work on the line to prove that you are the best at what you do, Andy has, and he will bring the record home. Have a good evening, I refuse to feed you, the troll, anymore.

[simonr100]

I was really looking forward to reading this thread but then Equss ruined it - cheers! Are you trying to derail the thread or piss redvictor off?

[redvictor]

themanwithnoname said:

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Or do you have a problem with the RV guys or the format of racing/running? As one of these options is clearly the case, I've no idea why you are continuing to try to derail and ruin what could be a very interesting thread.

It is plainly obvious that this is a record in relation to the fastest (quickest if you must) street legal car over the 1/4 mile.

I, along with the owners of the car, and, by the looks a good few others, understand that there is a difference between 'on the road' and 'on the track', neither of which has any bearing on the definition of 'street legal'

In the same way as if you go to a track day, you might take a set of wheels with used slicks, or a set of track day tyres which would be illegal/inadvisable to use on the road respectively... did this mean that your car was no longer a street car? No. It really is that simple.

RV will be geared for best possible acceleration and optimum vmax at the end of 1/4 mile, again not that hard to grasp. The Hennesey Venom needed 2 miles to get to 256mph, RV, as you mention will touch 220 in 1/4 mile.

Honestly, tell me which is faster for all practical purposes?

Oh, and a change of gearing, I've no doubts the car would run well over 300 given the right setup (aero?), I am sure the RV guys will be able to confirm one way or the other?

Apologies for the exasperated tone, but it really is this kind of thing that ruins what was once a great forum, pettiness and pickiness.

Clearly he is. It's a 1/4 mile car that is going for a record. So we optimise it for max power RPM through the finish line. You have a grasp of that.
It has power to run over 300mph, but as it's based on a Vauxhall Victor (albeit more aerodynamic) the possibility of that happening without flying first is a big one.
Matthew put the article on PH because he recognises that the people on this forum would (and have been) interested in what we do, and have achieved. Not everybody does, and we know that. I have no problem with that.
Trolling to get a rise for no reason is just wanting to get attention. Don't like us? Move on, it's easy..
Thanks for posting manwithnoname.

[longshot]

552KR said:

I get it, and am delighted to see Red Victor back on the strip & street! Good luck!

This link suggests a Veyron can 'only' manage a 10.17 second 1/4 mile
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motoringvideo/...

This link suggests the Hennessy Venom is faster than a Veyron with a 9.9 second 1/4 mile
http://fastestlaps.com/models/hennessey-venom-gt

Unfortunately the tyres used are not quoted, but I'm happy to believe they may have picked the best they could find for the job!!! Either way my money would be on RV over a 1/4 mile every time!!!

You'll probably find that both run tyres especially designed and manufactured for that car to maximise their performance?

That sounds familiar doesn't it.

[redvictor]

HappyMidget said:

To go to Bahrain, there is a £15k refundable bond needing paid whilst the car is in the country (tax reasons), of which the members club have pledged the whole sum. There has also been a lot of money raised through the club, but a single season of drag racing is very expensive, yet Andy is currently the only Brit in his category of racing (that you seem to dismiss as irrelevant because you are narrow-minded) that has a clear chance of winning back the world record for this country.

At the end of the day horse, you do not have the balls to put your life's work on the line to prove that you are the best at what you do, Andy has, and he will bring the record home. Have a good evening, I refuse to feed you, the troll, anymore.

And that is the point. I'm putting my life's work on the line to prove we are the best.
No ifs or buts.
We have great support from our 5 second club, and they have helped get us to the position we are now, which is ready to get the record back.
But as you can see in the crowd fund page, it's a very expensive task for a small independent team.
This is why we set the page up. We are hoping petrolheads, particularly UK ones who like what we are trying to achieve will help us get the record back.
As a small team we have raced with the previous version of the car in the USA and Canada, all off our own back. But it's always been on a really tight budget,with no spares, no contingency, almost not enough to even go there.
The number we need to achieve, which is 5.87 in the 1/4 mile can be done on the cheap, but it would need all the stars to align to do it. We want to go there with everything in hand to get the job done. If we do then all of us (team and supporters) know we can achieve our goal.
Are you with us?

[thunderbelmont]

Following this wonderful thread where Mr Frost is putting his all on the line again to reclaim the title of the fastest road legal car in the world, we have some utterly ridiculous comments from Equus.
What is your problem Sir? You clearly have no concept of drag racing.
What flavour windows does this Bugatti Veyron you keep mentioning have?

[Impasse]

Equus said:

themanwithnoname said:

Honestly, tell me which is faster for all practical purposes?

For practical purpses? The Veyron or the Hennessey, obviously: you could hardly use Red Victor for a daily commute up the autobahn. It's designed for a 1/4 mile squirt, and that's all it's good for.

themanwithnoname said:

Apologies for the exasperated tone, but it really is this kind of thing that ruins what was once a great forum, pettiness and pickiness.

Apologies if you are easily exasperated.

I'm genuinely interested (and have been for many, many, years), in speed record breaking. I'm also genuinely interested in the difference between the speeds achieved by 'official' recordbreakers and the peak speeds achieved by drag machines.

My personal area of interest is the WWSR, where the official record for immersed propeller boats stands at 220mph, but drag boats regularly peak at much more (261mph is the highest recorded, I think). That's because (obviously to most people) it's a hell of a lot more difficult to sustain a high speed for the necessary 2 runs in opposite directions over a flying kilometre or mile, than it is to squirt up to a one-way instantaneous peak.

What interests me here is that the reverse is true: Red Victor's recorded peak Vmax is actually a lot lower than the, official 2-way average (over a flying kilometre) achieved by the Bugatti Veyron.

Stop being a cock. Just stop.

[PhillipM]

Equus said:

For practical purposes? The Veyron or the Hennessey, obviously: you could hardly use Red Victor for a daily commute up the autobahn. It's designed for a 1/4 mile squirt, and that's all it's good for.

Apart from he has driven previous incarnations around on the roads, and there's plenty of video of them doing so.

[thunderbelmont]

Impasse said:

Equus said:

themanwithnoname said:

Honestly, tell me which is faster for all practical purposes?

For practical purpses? The Veyron or the Hennessey, obviously: you could hardly use Red Victor for a daily commute up the autobahn. It's designed for a 1/4 mile squirt, and that's all it's good for.

themanwithnoname said:

Apologies for the exasperated tone, but it really is this kind of thing that ruins what was once a great forum, pettiness and pickiness.

Apologies if you are easily exasperated.

I'm genuinely interested (and have been for many, many, years), in speed record breaking. I'm also genuinely interested in the difference between the speeds achieved by 'official' recordbreakers and the peak speeds achieved by drag machines.

My personal area of interest is the WWSR, where the official record for immersed propeller boats stands at 220mph, but drag boats regularly peak at much more (261mph is the highest recorded, I think). That's because (obviously to most people) it's a hell of a lot more difficult to sustain a high speed for the necessary 2 runs in opposite directions over a flying kilometre or mile, than it is to squirt up to a one-way instantaneous peak.

What interests me here is that the reverse is true: Red Victor's recorded peak Vmax is actually a lot lower than the, official 2-way average (over a flying kilometre) achieved by the Bugatti Veyron.

Stop being a cock. Just stop.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THAT, yes that.

[StefanVXR8]

Equus said:

Apologies if you are easily exasperated.

I'm genuinely interested (and have been for many, many, years), in speed record breaking. I'm also genuinely interested in the difference between the speeds achieved by 'official' recordbreakers and the peak speeds achieved by drag machines.

My personal area of interest is the WWSR, where the official record for immersed propeller boats stands at 220mph, but drag boats regularly peak at much more (261mph is the highest recorded, I think). That's because (obviously to most people) it's a hell of a lot more difficult to sustain a high speed for the necessary 2 runs in opposite directions over a flying kilometre or mile, than it is to squirt up to a one-way instantaneous peak. Same with the infamous 'Budweiser Rocket', on land.

What interests me here is that the reverse is true: Red Victor's recorded peak Vmax is actually a lot lower than the official 2-way average (over a flying kilometre) achieved by the Bugatti Veyron.

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I've been following Andy since he appeared on Fifth Gear, and I joined PH because I wanted to comment on the build thread of RV3. I've financially supported Red Victor in the past, when in RV3's first outing the engine failed. Being the fastest street legal car in the world doesn't mean it has to do it with road tyres and no parachute, it just has to be road legal. Although I have told Andy a few years ago that I'd like to see a run with road tyres, he's not interested in doing it. I didn't then start trolling the thread with nonsense. I wish Andy and his team the best of luck and that they thrash the record not just beat it by a small amount. Will there be anyway to watch the runs?

[14]

PhillipM said:

Equus said:

For practical purposes? The Veyron or the Hennessey, obviously: you could hardly use Red Victor for a daily commute up the autobahn. It's designed for a 1/4 mile squirt, and that's all it's good for.

Apart from he has driven previous incarnations around on the roads, and there's plenty of video of them doing so.

Here's a video of Andy going to Waitrose in RV3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI9ptwMxunI